The Texan Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 I still need to stay employed for 10 more years. Lock and load.
Homestar Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Oh where, oh where have the neocons gone, or where or where can they be? Guess we have a large contingent of Ron Paul foreign policy types here and not so much George W. Bush followers. No freedom agenda eh? Anyways, yea, intervening around the world is a shared pursuit among democrats and republicans, don't pretend otherwise. I'd argue we have a national interest in Assad not slaughtering his own people but then again maybe that's just me. Plus he was an asshole to begin with and sponsored all kinda of bad guys in Lebanon/Israel/Palestine. Does that mean I think we should full up Iraq their ass and takeover the whole place? No way, it's not that vital of an interest, but we can certainly help them and if it came down to a Libya-type operation I'd be for that as well. There are many, many steps along the way before you start conducting airstrikes and it can start with trying to gather a coalition of other states who want the same things we do. Just sitting back and letting those trying to overthrow a violent dictator kinda sounds like ceding world leadership to me... Pre-9/11 Bush policy (edit to add: the Bush policy I voted for) was not post-9/11 Bush policy (edit to add: the Bush policy I voted against). Something about 3,000 US KIA on US soil changed his mind. I'm no fan of how far off course we got (Iraq), but 9/11 was a game changer for the decade. As soon as someone in Syria can raise an army with potential to topple Assad I think the US will invest more clandestine involvement. Edited February 8, 2012 by Homestar
brickhistory Posted February 18, 2012 Author Posted February 18, 2012 https://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-u-s-drones-flying-over-syria-to-monitor-crackdown-1.413606 The United States is flying unmanned reconnaissance planes over Syria to monitor the regime's escalating crackdown on dissent, U.S. defense officials told NBC television on Saturday.
murdocjxx Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Iran sails for Syria https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/18/world/meast/iran-warships/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
BQZip01 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4194506,00.html Looks like we might be wading into this civil war too. I realize I'm "just" a Captain, but isn't a blockade an act of war? If so, what gives the President the authority to commit such an act. It is one thing to respond to the actions of another (i.e. self-defense or when an attack is imminent), but Syria doesn't threathen the US, at least not directly. This is a politicially neutral question and it applies to President Obama as much as it does to any other President (past or future).
ThreeHoler Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yes, let's model it after Kosovo, because that air campaign was so exceptional at stopping the brutality...
BQZip01 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yes, let's model it after Kosovo, because that air campaign was so exceptional at stopping the brutality... I am perpetually astonished that we don't get directly involved in some of these conflicts just because we try diplomatic means to absurd lengths first. Those countries that tsk-tsk our efforts and cluck their tongues should be ashamed when they live under the very freedom we provide. I have a feeling when we pull back the curtain on Iran, Syria, and North Korea, we will look back and ask ourselves, "Why didn't we try and stop them?" The death toll from those in North Korea alone already tops the number of people killed in the Holocaust.
ThreeHoler Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I am perpetually astonished that we don't get directly involved in some of these conflicts just because we try diplomatic means to absurd lengths first. Those countries that tsk-tsk our efforts and cluck their tongues should be ashamed when they live under the very freedom we provide. I have a feeling when we pull back the curtain on Iran, Syria, and North Korea, we will look back and ask ourselves, "Why didn't we try and stop them?" The death toll from those in North Korea alone already tops the number of people killed in the Holocaust. My point was that the air campaign directly resulted in the acceleration of killing in Kosovo.
Guest Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) My point was that the air campaign directly resulted in the acceleration of killing in Kosovo. Noted. And then it ended the killing and brought down a brutal son of a bitch in Serbia. Also, that shit was a nightmare run by an administration that needed a fucking predator on station to confirm what the pilots were seeing. For some reason, we couldn't be trusted to make the observation ourselves that there are two tanks and eight APCs were moving through a village burning down every single house because and just schwack the fuckers. The perfect example of the 5000nm screwdriver trying to run the war from the oval office. That said, doing nothing would've been worse. Much worse. Edited February 27, 2012 by Rainman A-10
BQZip01 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Noted. And then it ended the killing and brought down a brutal son of a bitch in Serbia. Also, that shit was a nightmare run by an administration that needed a fucking predator on station to confirm what the pilots were seeing. For some reason, we couldn't be trusted to make the observation ourselves that there are two tanks and eight APCs were moving through a village burning down every single house because and just schwack the fuckers. The perfect example of the 5000nm screwdriver trying to run the war from the oval office. That said, doing nothing would've been worse. Much worse. I wonder if we are going to run it via committee again. Getting approval from 14 separate governments for each assigned target was soooooooooooo easy and effective the first time... However, best quote ever from General Clark: "B-52s won this war" My point was that the air campaign directly resulted in the acceleration of killing in Kosovo. Yes, it did accelerate it, but that was in the short term. In the long-term, the killings stopped. Should we have not started fighting, the killings would have continued at a slower pace.
Vertigo Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) ... isn't a blockade an act of war? If so, what gives the President the authority to commit such an act. Yes it is. The War Powers Resolution requires the President to only notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. Edited February 27, 2012 by Vertigo
Guest Grind Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Great company he hangs around with Especially these days....
BQZip01 Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 We just received a fairly lengthy intel brief on Syria recently. This was not part of it. This is bound to complicate LOTS of things: Saw that yesterday...things aren't getting better in the Middle East...
DEVIL Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 at least we don't have to worry about these North Korean clowns and their missiles... "a pair of German missile experts have gone public with evidence suggesting that new missiles that the North rolled out with much pomp at a parade just days later were mock-ups, and clumsy ones at that." https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/world/asia/new-north-korean-missile-is-called-into-question.html?hp
brickhistory Posted April 27, 2012 Author Posted April 27, 2012 The War Powers Resolution requires the President to only notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. Actually, it's become more a "guideline" really.
F16Deuce Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 ...things aren't getting better in the Middle East... Say it ain't so!
ThreeHoler Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Highlights-of-US-Afghanistan-agreement-3525476.php Summary: OEF extends to 2024.
papajuice77 Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 https://www.seattlepi...ent-3525476.php Summary: OEF extends to 2024. Copy... Vietnamization. Expect to be evacuating the Embassy in 2016.
SurelySerious Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) https://www.seattlepi...ent-3525476.php Summary: OEF extends to 2024. Former Air Force General: Stop Terrorists With More Airpower (and stop nation-building) Army Col. and Marine Lt. Col.: That will never work Edited May 4, 2012 by SurelySerious
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