New BAH rates are out.

[Lawman]

My current location went up almost $500….two months before I PCS

That’s so your land lord can get himself reset before putting the place up for its new rent.


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[DirkDiggler]

47 minutes ago, Lawman said:

That’s so your land lord can get himself reset before putting the place up for its new rent.


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Thankfully I bought right before things went really crazy in the market where I’m at.  Assuming no issues with the inspection/appraisal I’m about to make a stupid amount of money on a house I’ve only owned for 2.5 years.

[SocialD]

9 hours ago, Lawman said:

Housing prices in my area are ~1.4-1.7x their value a year or two ago…

And mine went down.

 

 

Same, except the Dep rate went up and the W/O Dep rate went down...again!  Hating on the single man yet again lol.   Oh well, barring a major shooting match, I'm fairly certain I've done my last order.

[uhhello]

Friendly reminder that your BAH check won't go down until you PCS.  Can only go up at same duty station.  

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

Friendly reminder that your BAH check won't go down until you PCS.  Can only go up at same duty station.  

Unless you're in the Guard/Reserves and your orders are not 100% continuous 😔

I still want a peek behind the curtain on these formulas man. I moved from the city urban core to the suburbs and per 2021 rates my BAH is ~$350 higher out here (non-AGR Guard your BAH is based on your residence zip, not duty zip). Houses out here are understandably cheaper across the board. Makes zero sense.

Get enough monkeys handcuffed to keyboards I guess eventually they produce Shakespeare but I mean...

[Magellan]

20 hours ago, HeloDude said:

But jeers to being in the DC area.

Just avoid anything east of Fairfax.  Problem solved. 😀

[daynightindicator]

Here is a great primer on how BAH is calculated.

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/perdiem/BAH-Primer.pdf

Of note, it is purely based off of rental costs. The gov could care less about home prices (although they traditionally influence rental rates, so indirectly they are related).

[pawnman]

2 minutes ago, daynightindicator said:

Here is a great primer on how BAH is calculated.

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/perdiem/BAH-Primer.pdf

Of note, it is purely based off of rental costs. The gov could care less about home prices (although they traditionally influence rental rates, so indirectly they are related).

You'd think the "utilities" portion alone would have driven up rates...

[hindsight2020]

...and a 2.7% pay increase for FY22. And that's how you do a paycut, yee yee!

..and retired critters getting that 5.9% in the same time period.

 

[osulax05]

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3246410/dod-releases-2023-basic-allowance-for-housing-rates/
 

$309 increase for O-5 with dependents in Little Rock.

Edited December 15, 2022 by osulax05

[Homestar]

Hmm. Still less than the 2018 BAH rate I locked in when I moved to my present location.

[brabus]

Anyone know which zip you get BAH based on in the guard - base zip or your current address zip? Does type of orders, type 1 vs 2, etc. make a difference?

[Lawman]

Anyone know which zip you get BAH based on in the guard - base zip or your current address zip? Does type of orders, type 1 vs 2, etc. make a difference?

It should still list your zip code for BAH on your LES. That’s where I had to check since my post has 3 zip codes.


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[Smokin]

Base zip code.  They don't care where you live.

[SocialD]

1 hour ago, Smokin said:

Base zip code.  They don't care where you live.

 

Unless you're on ADOS orders, then it's your home of record.  

 

@brabus

Type 2 BAH is only for orders less than 30 days.

Edited December 15, 2022 by SocialD

[brabus]

Thanks guys, just wanted to see where I was on the getting-fucked-train. 
 

[pawnman]

12 hours ago, osulax05 said:

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3246410/dod-releases-2023-basic-allowance-for-housing-rates/
 

$309 increase in Little Rock.

~$210 for O-5 at Wright Patt

[cragspider]

~420 for an O-4 with dependents at Dyess.

[TheNewGazmo]

Base zip code.  They don't care where you live.

I thought it was where you live for everything but AGR orders. Then it is base zip, but I could have been getting fed wrong info for the last 16+ years.

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[O Face]

On 12/16/2021 at 8:43 AM, nsplayr said:

 

Get enough monkeys handcuffed to keyboards I guess eventually they produce Shakespeare but I mean...

Normally if I’m quoting you it’s to shit all over your political views, but I must’ve missed this gem from a year ago. Absolutely beautiful; nearly pissed my pants!!

Edited December 16, 2022 by O Face
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[08Dawg]

~$250 for O-4 with dependents at Offutt...I'll take it (sts)

[brabus]

@Smokin@SocialD Do you guys have any AFI/DODI references for the BAH zipcode thing? About to have some T32 orders written, but they're not sure if they should put the unit address or my home address on the orders (significant variation in BAH/different states). I want to make sure I'm not getting screwed out of the higher BAH (unit zipcode), but also do not want to erroneously get the unit zipcode rate for 6-9 months, just to get audited and owe the govt a bunch of money. Per usual, I'll probably get more accurate data here than from the finance office. Thanks guys!

Edited December 22, 2022 by brabus

[Sua Sponte]

6 hours ago, brabus said:

@Smokin@SocialD Do you guys have any AFI/DODI references for the BAH zipcode thing? About to have some T32 orders written, but they're not sure if they should put the unit address or my home address on the orders (significant variation in BAH/different states). I want to make sure I'm not getting screwed out of the higher BAH (unit zipcode), but also do not want to erroneously get the unit zipcode rate for 6-9 months, just to get audited and owe the govt a bunch of money. Per usual, I'll probably get more accurate data here than from the finance office. Thanks guys!

https://www.housing.af.mil/portals/79/documents/afd-160628-023.pdf

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20. Why do you base BAH on my duty location? Why not use my residence location?

The policy decision to use duty location as a basis for BAH is based on the desire to compensate members for the typical housing cost near the member's duty location. Once the duty station is known, the BAH compensation is fixed, regardless of where the member lives. Were the member's residence location to be used as a basis for the allowance, there is the concern that this would cause a member to choose the residence location based on BAH. In some cases, this may lead to a member choosing to live further from the duty station, simply to receive higher BAH. In other cases, when a member commutes from/to a lower cost area, the members would find the BAH to be lower, even though the commuting expenses are higher. The Services decided to base the allowance on the duty location with the full knowledge that members would still be free to live where they choose, but that this decision would not affect the BAH amount.

https://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/allowances/bah_types.aspx

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A member with permanent duty within the 50 United States, who is not furnished government housing, is eligible for Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH), based on the member's dependency status at the permanent duty ZIP Code. 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Sua Sponte

[SocialD]

15 hours ago, brabus said:

@Smokin@SocialD Do you guys have any AFI/DODI references for the BAH zipcode thing? About to have some T32 orders written, but they're not sure if they should put the unit address or my home address on the orders (significant variation in BAH/different states). I want to make sure I'm not getting screwed out of the higher BAH (unit zipcode), but also do not want to erroneously get the unit zipcode rate for 6-9 months, just to get audited and owe the govt a bunch of money. Per usual, I'll probably get more accurate data here than from the finance office. Thanks guys!

 

 

I'll talk to our comptroller on Tuesday...dude is the most by the book person I've ever met, I'm sure he has the reference handy.  The only time my BAH was based off my home zip code, was when I was on ADOS orders.  

[brabus]

@Sua Sponte @SocialD Thanks guys, you rock! My google skills clearly failed Sua, so I'll take a shot or two of 18 yo scotch as a "punishment." Like I said, phenomenally better help amongst the bros than your standard shoe clerk. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by brabus