sbelcher Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Has anybody else heard the rumor about AFRC shutting down 3 C-130 wings starting in Feb 2012
SQUAWK3274 Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) I haven't, but I sure hope not...that would be a great way to finish up here at The Rock - finally qual'd and no where to go. Where did you hear that? Edited December 22, 2011 by SQUAWK3274
MC5Wes Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Pittsburgh is shutting down. Its part of the 2005 BRAC. The planes are moving to Pope.
HerkFE Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Well I'm an O.R.F. now but one of my buds who is still in said the AFRC boss was at my old unit last week. He told them something to the effect that he had some big decisions to make soon and that he wanted them to know that it wasn't personal, just business. So the rumor that is going around there is that they are on the short list. Pittsburgh is shutting down. Its part of the 2005 BRAC. The planes are moving to Pope. Uhhh, their planes have been gone to Pope but they got the Oklahoma City Guard's iron and are still open. Oklahoma City Guard moved across town to Tinker, converted to the -135, and share the iron with the AFRC unit.
Loach Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 I thought Pittsburgh was saved from the 2005 BRAC? As I remember it (having been at Willow Grove at the time), both Pitt and Willow Grove were on the BRAC list. That forced the PA congressional delegation and governor to pick one to fight for, and they chose to make the case for Pittsburgh, and it was taken off the list. I always thought they wanted to close Willow Grove, but knew that if Pittsburgh didn't make the list, that the PA congressional delegation would fight hard to save it. By adding Pittsburgh, they out-politicked the politicians.
TacoJohn Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Pittsburgh is shutting down. Its part of the 2005 BRAC. The planes are moving to Pope Uhhhhhhhhhh........What?
HerkFE Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 I thought Pittsburgh was saved from the 2005 BRAC? As I remember it (having been at Willow Grove at the time), both Pitt and Willow Grove were on the BRAC list. That forced the PA congressional delegation and governor to pick one to fight for, and they chose to make the case for Pittsburgh, and it was taken off the list. I always thought they wanted to close Willow Grove, but knew that if Pittsburgh didn't make the list, that the PA congressional delegation would fight hard to save it. By adding Pittsburgh, they out-politicked the politicians. Not sure about all of the details with Willow Grove but Pitt was saved but did have to send their ~ late 80's birds to Pope and they got the late 70's models from OKC.
MC5Wes Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Sorry about that. Before I became an ART I was a Traditional at the 171st at Pittsburgh. And didnt know they swapped tails after I left the area. Anyways, I was told last week that we needed to hire any new ARTs right away. As priority placement from the C-130 units being closed would come first. The only unit mentioned was Pittsburgh. If the rumour is 3 units. Then thats about a 35 percent cut. 94th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Dobbins Air Reserve Base, Georgia 302d Airlift Wing, (C-130) Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado 440th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Pope Army Airfield, North Carolina 908th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama 910th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Youngstown-Warren Air Reserve Base, Ohio 911th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Pittsburgh International Airport, Pennsylvania 914th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station, New York 934th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Minneapolis-St Paul Joint Air Reserve Station, Minnesota
lloyd christmas Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Maybe that it how they plan on filling the jobs at the new reserve squadron that is standing up at Little Rock.
Royal Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 94th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Dobbins Air Reserve Base, Georgia 302d Airlift Wing, (C-130) Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado 440th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Pope Army Airfield, North Carolina 908th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama 910th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Youngstown-Warren Air Reserve Base, Ohio 911th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Pittsburgh International Airport, Pennsylvania 914th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station, New York 934th Airlift Wing, (C-130) Minneapolis-St Paul Joint Air Reserve Station, Minnesota So you're saying these are the units that might be on the chopping block?
MC5Wes Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 These are the C-130 Squadrons minus the AFRC Rescue, Special Ops and Weather units. Did anyone hear anything about closing any of them?
Guest FlyingJennies Posted December 26, 2011 Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) These are the C-130 Squadrons minus the AFRC Rescue, Special Ops and Weather units. Did anyone hear anything about closing any of them? You forgot the Keesler C-130J squadrons. There is a TAC airlfit and a WRS Sqdn...but it's ok...no one knows anyone but the 53 WRS exists down there. :) I have seen the 4 COAs floating around. The closures involve consolidation. Seems AFRC and the AF want to move/close stand alone units and consolidate them on bases with host support, like Maxwell. I was told by AFRC A5 they placed a TFI unit at Keesler due to the hose base support. I can see a TFI unit and a larger AFRC unit at MXF in the future. There are more rumors floating around....but they affect us J model guys. Seems AMC wants to take all the Js.... Edited December 26, 2011 by FlyingJennies
Loach Posted December 27, 2011 Posted December 27, 2011 I would think that unit at Pope AAF (or whatever it is now) is safe. If they close the 440th, then there'll be nothing based at Pope for direct support for the 82nd and XVIIIth Airborne Corps. If they shut down a reserve unit that's co-located with a Guard unit (like Niagra Falls or Pittsburgh), what does that mean for the guard unit located there at well? Seems hard to think that there'd be much savings from simply reducing the number of tails at a location (i.e. somebody still has to pay to maintain a "base", right)? Although the guard did stay open at Willow Grove (w/o tails). I agree that it would probably make more sense to close/consolidate a stand-alone unit (not that I want to see any body close) like Youngstown.
HerkFE Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 I would think that unit at Pope AAF (or whatever it is now) is safe. If they close the 440th, then there'll be nothing based at Pope for direct support for the 82nd and XVIIIth Airborne Corps. If they shut down a reserve unit that's co-located with a Guard unit (like Niagra Falls or Pittsburgh), what does that mean for the guard unit located there at well? Seems hard to think that there'd be much savings from simply reducing the number of tails at a location (i.e. somebody still has to pay to maintain a "base", right)? Although the guard did stay open at Willow Grove (w/o tails). I agree that it would probably make more sense to close/consolidate a stand-alone unit (not that I want to see any body close) like Youngstown. Loach, what you are saying makes sense. The problem is these closures/consolidations/BRACs (call it what you want) are rarely done in a manner that makes sense and saves money. It's always done according deals made in back rooms and on the golf course.
MC5Wes Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 It never makes any sense. The Air Force closed down the F-15 FTU at Tyndall. And now they are going to restart it. By closing my TFI unit. And using the aircraft.
matmacwc Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 It never makes any sense. The Air Force closed down the F-15 FTU at Tyndall. And now they are going to restart it. By closing my TFI unit. And using the aircraft. Must be at Nellis, are they letting you PCS down there?
MC5Wes Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 I wish. I would give my left you know what to be an ART in Panama City. Right now they have not announced where the new FTU will be located. So in the mean time I have been assigned to another unit on base.
MC5Wes Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 Another article about the Air Force losing airframes. https://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/planes-cut/#more-68545Danger Room has learned that around 200 airplanes, mostly older models, will eventually be retired without replacement. That represents about a 5 percent reduction in the overall fleet of about 4,000 aircraft. Exactly which planes will go is unclear. But under any scenario, the positions of thousands of airmen who fly and maintain those planes will be phased out. The majority of those airmen will be reservists and Air National Guardsmen.
Magnum Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Who is Danger Room? The division at wired.com. According to the picture in that article, apparently at least 1 of the aircraft will be a Mig-21.
MC5Wes Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) There was also this. https://www.afrc.af.m...sp?id=123278523 The Air Force plans to establish four new jet fighter units to create efficient and effective combat capability in tight budgetary times, according to an announcement Nov. 3. In order to capitalize on the most efficient mix of full and part-time positions, the Air Force Reserve will reduce some of its slots whose duties will be filled by the Airmen in the new active-duty units. Edited January 5, 2012 by MC5Wes
Guest CAVEMAN Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 There was also this. https://www.afrc.af.m...sp?id=123278523 The Air Force plans to establish four new jet fighter units to create efficient and effective combat capability in tight budgetary times, according to an announcement Nov. 3. In order to capitalize on the most efficient mix of full and part-time positions, the Air Force Reserve will reduce some of its slots whose duties will be filled by the Airmen in the new active-duty units. I don't think anyone will argue that this is probably the best thing for the Service. We will probably have more of this in the coming years.
MC5Wes Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Cosolidating the Air Guard and Reserve is also a good idea. But we need to fix the pay system first. https://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7500382
HerkFE Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Cosolidating the Air Guard and Reserve is also a good idea. But we need to fix the pay system first. https://www.defensene...y.php?i=7500382 Probably another idea that makes sense but will never happen. Too many empires that would have to crumble.
Guest Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I don't think anyone will argue that this is probably the best thing for the Service. We will probably have more of this in the coming years. I think many will argue. However, you are correct about this being the best thing and the leading edge of what's to come.
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