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We seem to have extras...any takers?

https://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/australia-looks-overseas-for-defence-staff-20111227-1par2.html

The Australian Defence Force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill recruitment quotas.

Australia is reportedly looking for defence specialists, such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering fast-tracked citizenship as an incentive, The Australian reported on Tuesday.

According to the newspaper the Royal Australian Navy has sent a delegation to Britain to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, were available.

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Uh, how does any of this work with security clearances?

Get out of the US military.....go to work for the RAAF........and don't talk about fight club. Valid point, but I'm not sure it would be a show stopper. Sounds like an interesting deal to me.

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"Offering fast-tracked citizenship as an incentive"

Can you hold a dual US and Australian citizenship or would you have to renounce your US citizenship? Interesting scenario...

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Actually dual citizenship is something that is allowed in most cases, although is officially discouraged by the US Gov't. You may retain your US Citizenship if another country automatically grants you their citizenship (i.e. you marry a foreign national and that country automatcially bestows citizenship to spouses of citizens, or your parents are citizens of another country but reside in the us, such as LPR's and when born their country automatically recognizes you as a citizen of their country as does the US through jus soli (having been born on US Soil -- in most cases, as there are exceptions to that as well)).

However, if you actively apply for foreign citizenship voluntarily, the US Gov't considers that person to have given up their US Citizenship.

So, taking a position such as this could cause one to lose their US Citizenship. The only people who really face a difficult time about coming back to the US after revoking their US Citizenship are those who renounce soley to avoid taxes and military service.

This is all based on my experience working for US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and CBP -- my current employer when I'm not soaking up all the MPA days I can (such as now)!

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I thought there was some restriction on having a active security clearance and having a passport from another country. Anybody know about this?

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Thought there was a prohibition about serving in the armed forces of another nation and US citizenship. This is as close a reference as I could find.

https://www.travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html

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Federal statutes long in force prohibit certain aspects of foreign military service originating within the United States. The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S. , 163 U.S. 632 (1896), the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a crime under U.S. law for an individual to go abroad for the purpose of enlisting in a foreign army; however, when someone has been recruited or hired in he United States, a violation may have occurred. The prosecution of persons who have violated 18 U.S.C. 958-960 is the responsibility of the Department of Justice.

Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.

The site goes on to say that serving elsewhere was an auto loss of citizenship until 1967, blah, blah, blah, that requires the individual to take positive action in renounching US citizenship. As I read it, you can enlist, but not accept a commission (kinda makes sense to me). Get a smart lawyer if this is for you and you want to keep US citizenship.

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Caveat. You must have a Master's Degree. Doesn't matter what it is in, just check the box.

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Here's the official Australian Defence Force website with more info...

Overseas Applicants

Specifically for the RAAF....

Overseas Applicants: Air Force

But since Australia has some of the strictest gun laws in the developed world (ever since a gunman in Port Arthur killed 35 people in 1996)...

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a licence, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense

...I'm out. :nob:

Cheers! M2

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I thought there was some restriction on having a active security clearance and having a passport from another country. Anybody know about this?

There is...depending on your clearance. Usually if you have a dual citizenship, you have to drop the other one in order to obtain above a secret clearance. This deal is probably a one way door...if you move to Aussie land and fly for them in this kind of deal (i.e. not a USAF exchange), give up US citizenship, etc. I almost guarantee you're fight club days are over forever.

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Flying in a country that is not 'Murica >= sitting in a shipping container full of computers and punching yourself in the sack in 'Murica. Discuss.

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Flying in a western english-speaking US-ally country that is not 'Murica >= sitting in a shipping container full of computers and punching yourself in the sack in 'Murica. Discuss.

FIFY

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The whole clearance piece makes this interesting. Both countries have active exchange programs, so make for interesting scenario. I will not be surprised if you are restricted to particular airframes/programs.

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Read in a different article that the Aussies would let clearances transfer over. Of course not sure what effect this would have if you went to get a clearance again in the US later on.

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America has had a history of our citizens serving in foreign militaries. Lafayette Escadrille in France in WW1 and the Eagle Squadrons in Great Britain in WW2 come to mind. Though I'm sure any "Neutrality Act" issues were easily overlooked given the popular sentiment of the time.

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America has had a history of our citizens serving in foreign militaries. Lafayette Escadrille in France in WW1 and the Eagle Squadrons in Great Britain in WW2 come to mind. Though I'm sure any "Neutrality Act" issues were easily overlooked given the popular sentiment of the time.

Great book called Spitfires, Thunderbolts, and Warm Beer covered the process of the UK recruiting in the US, getting the pilots into Canada for training, and then to the UK. The pilot in this book flew for the RAF before the Eagle Squadrons, then in the Eagle Squadrons, and then in the 8th AF.

I wonder if the Australia would hired a retired guy?

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I wonder if the Australia would hired a retired guy?

Let me know what you find out...

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If anyone gets a slot 3 or more years from now, let me know. The wife and I are moving back to Sydney in that timeframe. I'll buy you a schooner.

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I might be pitching a contract alternative to the Aussies. It is a win-win for everyone. All those on the fence would feel about the whole arrangement.

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