US Aircraft Crashes in Djibouti, Four Fatalities

[Cooter]

Can't say enough about these dudes. The sendoff we had tonight was excellent and the support from everyone has been awesome! Rest easy brothers...we're taking care of you.

Cooter

[nsplayr]

"2" to what Cooter said, good send off last night.

For anyone who knew the guys or is involved in base activities on Hurlburt, the base memorial will be Tuesday the 28th at 1000 in the Freedom Hanger on the East side of base.

The U28 Heroes website is legit and we've had a lot of generous donations so far, thanks to anyone who has donated already. I'm sure the families will appreciate whatever help is available.

[ATIS]

Fair winds and following sea's Shipmates. And for those of you out there continuing on with the mission, thank you.

ATIS

Edited February 24, 2012 by ATIS

[tcf2007]

Here's a Toast...

[Danger41]

Any numbers on how much was raised last night?

[Hacker]

Piano burn...a righteous way to remember warriors. Very strong.

[Linda]

There will be a piano burn Friday Mach 2nd

That's going to be one fast piano burning at Mach 2! Post pictures, please!

Excellent way to pick-up an old RAF tradition.

[Danger41]

Recent article by Gen Schwartz about this crew.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/228991-give-gratitude-to-next-greatest-generation

[nsplayr]

Saw that circulating on the facebook. Well said by the Chief.

[Apollo]

Anyone hear word yet on what actually brought the aircraft down?

[stract]

the AFSAS final msg is out. Go talk to your SE folks.

[Skitzo]

The report is out.

2... go read it... and don't speculate what FCIFs the U-28 guys need.

[ClearedHot]

This thread was mean to honor the sacrifice and loss of four great Airmen, please keep that in mind and go to the other thread if yo want to have a pissing contest about wings falling off.

Them Them...

[matmacwc]

This thread was mean to honor the sacrifice and loss of four great Airmen, please keep that in mind and go to the other thread if yo want to have a pissing contest about wings falling off.

Them Them...

Yes, and stop asking unless the AIB is out.

[fire4effect]

I guess it's not much of a "Shadow War" when the mainstream press has a hold of it. On a somewhat related note from the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-expands-secret-intelligence-operations-in-africa/2012/06/13/gJQAHyvAbV_story.html

[Champ Kind]

I guess it's not much of a "Shadow War" when the mainstream press has a hold of it. On a somewhat related note from the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-expands-secret-intelligence-operations-in-africa/2012/06/13/gJQAHyvAbV_story.html

It is seriously difficult to take our notion of "OPSEC" seriously when you see articles like that.

[Guest]

Never talk to them.

[BQZip01]

Yes, and stop asking unless the AIB is out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but usually there is a releasable portion of an SIB, right?

[ThreeHoler]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but usually there is a releasable portion of an SIB, right?

Part I of an SIB will not give you anything useful.

[HercDude]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but usually there is a releasable portion of an SIB, right?

You're probably thinking of the AIB, which comes out later (sometimes much later) and has different content than the SIB.

"The purpose of an accident investigation is:

a. To provide a publicly-releasable report of the facts and the circumstances surrounding the accident, to include a statement of opinion on the cause or causes of the accident; and,

b. To gather and preserve evidence for claims, litigation, disciplinary, and adverse administrative actions, and for other purposes.

In contrast, the primary purpose of a safety investigation is to find the cause of an accident in order to take preventative actions."

https://usaf.aib.law.af.mil/AIB_Info.html

[BQZip01]

You're probably thinking of the AIB, which comes out later (sometimes much later) and has different content than the SIB.

"The purpose of an accident investigation is:

a. To provide a publicly-releasable report of the facts and the circumstances surrounding the accident, to include a statement of opinion on the cause or causes of the accident; and,

b. To gather and preserve evidence for claims, litigation, disciplinary, and adverse administrative actions, and for other purposes.

In contrast, the primary purpose of a safety investigation is to find the cause of an accident in order to take preventative actions."

https://usaf.aib.law....l/AIB_Info.html

Nope. I'm thinking SIB...and it's probably part I. That portion is released to the AIB, isn't it? And since that's in their report, it is, of course, released...but not until the AIB's done, right?

I helped on about a dozen of these as a gopher, but never was completely clear on the rules of releasability

[ThreeHoler]

Nope. I'm thinking SIB...and it's probably part I. That portion is released to the AIB, isn't it? And since that's in their report, it is, of course, released...but not until the AIB's done, right?

I helped on about a dozen of these as a gopher, but never was completely clear on the rules of releasability

https://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/afi91-204.pdf

[BQZip01]

https://www.e-publish...s/afi91-204.pdf

Thanks. I'll browse through all 142 pages to see if it clearly answers my question.

[Azimuth]

Thanks. I'll browse through all 142 pages to see if it clearly answers my question.

Not like you'll be busy with flying or anything.

[Day Man]

Not like you'll be busy with flying or anything.

too soon

but