MAFFS C-130 Crash in South Dakota

[Apollo]

Knee-jerk reaction from AMC, NGB & AFRC puts new restrictions on mission that make it ineffective and have nothing to do with the accident. Way to go leadership. What a sad example of a risk averse set of blues-happy HQ tools. You pushed your ignorant pencils so far up up our asses we can even get the mission done.

Anyone have a sober elaboration?

[HercDude]

Knee-jerk reaction from AMC, NGB & AFRC puts new restrictions on mission that make it ineffective and have nothing to do with the accident. Way to go leadership. What a sad example of a risk averse set of blues-happy HQ tools. You pushed your ignorant pencils so far up up our asses we can even get the mission done.

What the Captain meant to say is that the SIB is out, and AMC has released an FCIF addressing their impression of the root cause.

[Apollo]

What the Captain meant to say is that the SIB is out, and AMC has released an FCIF addressing their impression of the root cause.

Thanks. Can't wait to read it.

[skibum]

What the Captain meant to say is that the SIB is out, and AMC has released an FCIF addressing their impression of the root cause.

Wrong. SIB is not out (still in MOFE), but the board president made some verbal recommendations against SME advice that are not related to findings but meet AMC 4 star desire to appear to be safer now. This resulted in a memorandum. There is no FCIF because the memorandum is so dicked up (specifically states incomplete/false information about altitude data, checklist changes not associated with an 847 that can't be done because they don't match the current checklist or aircraft systems, etc.) AMC/OGV will not release it as FCIF. Memo mandates changes to tactics that user (US forest Service) has not been informed of and require more passes over a fire to accomplish the same thing (way more risky than changing nothing). This is what happens when a C-5 pilot investigates and he is shocked that one would dare to do tactical flying in a non-fighter type aircraft. Half the memorandum is bullet statements that tell crews and leaders to do their jobs. Gee thanks for the insight - so much safer now.

[tac airlifter]

. This is what happens when a C-5 pilot investigates and he is shocked that one would dare to do tactical flying in a non-fighter type aircraft.

I saw that kind of thing all the time in AMC, the majority there really has no idea what C130's actually do.

[HercDude]

Wrong. SIB is not out (still in MOFE), but the board president made some verbal recommendations against SME advice that are not related to findings but meet AMC 4 star desire to appear to be safer now. This resulted in a memorandum. There is no FCIF because the memorandum is so dicked up (specifically states incomplete/false information about altitude data, checklist changes not associated with an 847 that can't be done because they don't match the current checklist or aircraft systems, etc.) AMC/OGV will not release it as FCIF. Memo mandates changes to tactics that user (US forest Service) has not been informed of and require more passes over a fire to accomplish the same thing (way more risky than changing nothing). This is what happens when a C-5 pilot investigates and he is shocked that one would dare to do tactical flying in a non-fighter type aircraft. Half the memorandum is bullet statements that tell crews and leaders to do their jobs. Gee thanks for the insight - so much safer now.

Simmer down.

[Termy]

That was great! Heritage!

[Right Seat Driver]

That was great! Heritage!

What is heritage? I thought as Airmen we had to be innovative and think outside the container. Am I not correct?

[Kilgore Trout]

https://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/15/us-usa-wildfire-crash-idUSBRE8AE06220121115

Accident report is out. I couldn't find a link to the actual report, just reaction articles.

[HerkFE]

One year ago today.....