Bobby Posted August 26, 2012 Posted August 26, 2012 https://www.airforcetimes.com/mobile/news/2012/08/gannett-air-force-arizona-1-star-fired-head-air-guard-082512 Anyone have any insight on this?
17D_guy Posted August 26, 2012 Posted August 26, 2012 Wonder where the politics are worse AD or Guard. See/hear this sort of nonsense all the time when they come visit.
matmacwc Posted August 26, 2012 Posted August 26, 2012 Work your HTML a bit better on this very forum.
Guest Posted August 26, 2012 Posted August 26, 2012 Wonder where the politics are worse AD or Guard. See/hear this sort of nonsense all the time when they come visit. Guard. No contest.
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 Drama? In the Guard? AD may win (in a landslide) for queep and douchery, but the Guard is the undisputed queen of drama and PFAs 1
Flask Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 The comments section to this article is very telling. https://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/08/24/20120824air-national-guard-leader-dismissed.html
Junglejett Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 I would agree, the Guard has more drama. The AD is so used to seeing people get screwed for anothers career aspirations, it makes hardly a ripple. 1
matmacwc Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 The comments section to this article is very telling. https://www.azcentral...-dismissed.html 1 of the 4 dismissed posted on this forum his opinion of the matter. https://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index.php?/topic/17910-sensitive-fighter-pilots/
Bobby Posted September 17, 2012 Author Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) More drama revealed. https://www.airforcet...firings-091712/ Edited September 17, 2012 by Bobby
WABoom Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I could of sworn that folks had dismissed the letter from Brig. Gen. Stroud as being fake, but after reading this article I guess he admitted to it. Not missing something am I?
guineapigfury Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Holy Shit. The bullet with the other guy's name engraved on it; that's fucked up. I thought only Officer's Spouse Club got to that level of crazy. 1
17D_guy Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) "I totally agree that their findings about you were wrong. I'll send a letter to the bosses on your behalf, and here's a LOR so you can...fight it." "Oh, you didn't like the LOR? Fine, you're fired since I can't trust you anymore." EDIT: Clarity... stupidity actually. Edited September 17, 2012 by 17D_guy
Flaco Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Goofy Grape Guard standard. Disgraceful. I would agree that there are quite a few disgraceful actions noted in that article. Those actions don't reflect the Guard as a whole by any stretch of the imagination. If the Guard standard is "Goofy Grape", why are so many AD bros jumping ship for it?
Guest Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I would agree that there are quite a few disgraceful actions noted in that article. Those actions don't reflect the Guard as a whole by any stretch of the imagination. If the Guard standard is "Goofy Grape", why are so many AD bros jumping ship for it? Seriously?
Flaco Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Seriously? What, that the Guard is not disgraceful? Yeah, seriously. That there are a bunch of AD bubbas jumping ship for the Guard and happy to be here? Seriously.
Vertigo Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 What, that the Guard is not disgraceful? Yeah, seriously. That there are a bunch of AD bubbas jumping ship for the Guard and happy to be here? Seriously. Before you dig the hole deeper, you should probably take note (and correct me if I'm wrong) but Rainman is a Guard guy.
Guest Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 There is the highest and best use of people and assets part of the Guard that is invaluable. There is the Goofy Grape tribal inbred self centered self serving self dealing crazy aunt in the attic part of the Guard that is disgraceful. If you are unfamiliar with the latter you are lucky but you also have no SA about the Guard. So yes...seriously?
Flaco Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Before you dig the hole deeper, you should probably take note (and correct me if I'm wrong) but Rainman is a Guard guy. What hole? Do you disagree with my statements? Or do you believe I dug a hole because I challenged Rainman's one-sentence misguided assessment of the Guard? I have been reading Rainman's posts for a long time so I am aware he transferred from the AD to the Guard. Much of the time I couldn't agree more with his assessments. Sometimes he misses the boat completely, as in this case. There is the highest and best use of people and assets part of the Guard that is invaluable. There is the Goofy Grape tribal inbred self centered self serving self dealing crazy aunt in the attic part of the Guard that is disgraceful. If you are unfamiliar with the latter you are lucky but you also have no SA about the Guard. So yes...seriously? Glad to see you retract your statement that the Guard standard is "Goofy Grape". Every organization has its strengths and weaknesses. If you don't understand why politics happen (and are sometimes a necessity) in the Guard, perhaps it is you that's tumbleweed. I'm still interested in your response to my original question: why do you believe so many AD bros are jumping ship for the Guard?
Butters Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I'm still interested in your response to my original question: why do you believe so many AD bros are jumping ship for the Guard? Easy, physics! For every Air Force regulation there is an equal and opposite guard waiver. Everyone knows that. 1
Guest Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Glad to see you retract your statement that the Guard standard is "Goofy Grape". Sorry to burst your bubble but I did no such thing. There is definitely a Goofy Grape guard standard and this Arizona bullshit is a perfect example. Rarely does are he significant contributions and accomplishments of he Guard highlighted but this shit gets all thevattention in the world because it is so stupid. It is shit like his that makes the rest of the Guard look like a bunch of fuck ups and it is what gives the AD decision makers the ammo they need to fuck with the Guard. You are disorienting yourself with your blind defense. Take a knee and catch your breath. You are looking to pick a fight where there is none. If you don't understand why politics happen (and are sometimes a necessity) in the Guard, perhaps it is you that's tumbleweed. Perhaps. But unlikely. I feel pretty confident about my SA level on this topic. I'm still interested in your response to my original question: why do you believe so many AD bros are jumping ship for the Guard? Several reasons, most of which are good and none of which are counter arguments to my Goofy Grape disgraceful behavior comment.
17D_guy Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Not sure if this goes here, or in the WTF thread... It's a bit of a read. More of Rainman's "Goofy Grape Guard" behavior. I'm sure the Gen in charge isn't lying through his f'ing teeth... https://www.militaryt...targeted-101512 Edited October 18, 2012 by 17D_guy
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