More SARC briefings soon.

[HeyWatchThis]

Those are safe. For now anyway. https://www.daytondai...l-planes/nTQQJ/

Somebody has their panties in a wad:

"You can't have it both ways lady, it's either obscene or it isn't.

Just because it was your grandpa's porn doesn't make it any less degrading to women.

You are a hypocrite and this proves you don't deserve a command."

[Stitch]

Word on the strips is the powers that be are removing nose art from the planes in the Air Force museum. Can anyone in Dayton confirm or deny?

Marty, something must have gone wrong with the time space continuum! We’re in an alternate 2012; one where the Shoe’s are all powerful and controlling. Where one butt hurt individual is powerful and rules with an extremely stupid perspective. No, we have to go back to 1947 and repair the damage!

[pawnman]

Somebody has their panties in a wad:

"You can't have it both ways lady, it's either obscene or it isn't.

Just because it was your grandpa's porn doesn't make it any less degrading to women.

You are a hypocrite and this proves you don't deserve a command."

In all fairness, they came back with this reply when someone pointed it out:

You guys misunderstand me.

I personally don't think it's obscene and I don't think a pinup calender in an Airman's locker is obscene either...but this "commander" (and I use the term loosely) has taken it upon herself to decide that the pinup calender in the Airman's locker is obscene and if you read the article and the one that came before it you will see they are searching WPAFB right now for other items that fit HER definition of obscene.

All I am saying is this....that calender in some Airman's locker is no less obscene then the WWII graphics on the side of the plane but because those are historical in nature, they get free pass.

Sorry but in my book that makes her a giant steaming pile of hypocrite.

I kind of see the point. If the pinups have been part of military heritage since WWII, why are we suddenly stripping out the remnants of that heritage now? Why is Maxim's girl of the month more offensive than the Memphis Belle or the Strawberry Bitch? I think the point here is that the USAF has created a giant, knee-jerk reaction to a series of events that created bad publicity for senior leadership. As I've said before, they can't do something useful, so instead they're doing something visible.

[AEWingsMN]

While this whole thing is a huge load of crap, the commanders unfortunately are forced into a CYA position.

The really unfortunate part of this is that the actual vulgarity of the true crimes are being diminished by the horrible solution presented by the leadership. It's just sad that no one has stepped up to say "No, we're not going down that road of banning everything. Sexual Assault and Harassment are wrong and will be dealt with accordingly. The consequences of doing such things will serve as the reminder to others not to follow down that path. Other things such as Pin-ups etc. are not wrong, and not even necessarily against the general culture of the U.S. or our heritage as a service. Lastly, should any male or female have any concerns with anything going on in their life, use the resources provided and you will see that this Air Force really does care to solve this issue".

This is hopefully a temporary phase, but at least in the meantime there are ways around this. An LT house with a bar can have whatever suggestive artwork, patches, etc. You can sing whatever songs you want there. Hell, you could wear whatever morale/friday patches you want there too. The house can be passed down through the generations of LTs. Or find a nice dive bar and become regulars. If you get close enough with the ownership, they might even let you put up some stuff on the walls. They won't mind a whole squadron worth of business on a regular basis.

As much as it sucks, if you move everything away from the squadron buildings, it can't be touched (for now). It does kinda kill the ability to just go chill at the SQ bar late on a Friday or whatever, and it will definitely be tougher on guys with families or who live on base, but it's basically the trend I noticed was used in UPT and still pretty much the way it is my crrent SQ.

[OL Patch]

Young ones...its wrong and stupid and a kneejerk reaction. It'll never be the same. But then again that's the opinion of a guy who used to attend strippers/lingerie WED night (Dancing Bears) at the Nellis Club.

My father-in-law was a F-4 (Nam era) and F-15 Sq/CC, he has original Dick Jonas (Dos Gringos' Godfather https://www.fighterpi...-jonas-fu-hero/) recordings on reel to reel tape which we will listen to over Christmas and raise a glass.

Do your best but realize this "culture" change probably won't reverse. Keep doing what you do to support those young men on the ground....that is the only important thing!

Edited December 11, 2012 by OL Patch

[Bergman]

. An LT house with a bar can have whatever suggestive artwork, patches, etc. You can sing whatever songs you want there. Hell, you could wear whatever morale/friday patches you want there too. The house can be passed down through the generations of LTs. Or find a nice dive bar and become regulars. If you get close enough with the ownership, they might even let you put up some stuff on the walls. They won't mind a whole squadron worth of business on a regular basis.

Our squadron had a houseboat. Does that count? Marina fees and upkeep got too high so it had to go.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

I heard they will be banning lotion sales at the Died

[Spooky]

Just an old Capt here at Columbus and if any of you went through CAFB and had a class patch (from any year) that was even remotely "offensive" it's been torn down from the walls/snackbar/etc. Sorry brothers and sorry to see history/tradition go...

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

Just an old Capt here at Columbus and if any of you went through CAFB and had a class patch (from any year) that was even remotely "offensive" it's been torn down from the walls/snackbar/etc. Sorry brothers and sorry to see history/tradition go...

It's a shame to see that tradition gone to waste. I have a very close friend who is a self funded, self motivated, completely independent historian of USAF, and particularly UPT heritage. He has class patches from nearly every single class from every single UPT base dating back into the early 70s and earlier. Most of these patches are proudly shown on his website. He's always on the hunt for more stuff to add to his collection, and if anyone is interested I can put you in touch with him.

[10percenttruth]

Just an old Capt here at Columbus and if any of you went through CAFB and had a class patch (from any year) that was even remotely "offensive" it's been torn down from the walls/snackbar/etc. Sorry brothers and sorry to see history/tradition go...

Ceiling tiles as well, if you or a friend are at your old UPT base, get a hold of that stuff ASAP before it gets hauled off to the MEO gulag

[herkbum]

Ceiling tiles as well, if you or a friend are at your old UPT base, get a hold of that stuff ASAP before it gets hauled off to the MEO gulag

What are they doing with them? Storing them or destroying them?

[Kilgore Trout]

It's a shame to see that tradition gone to waste. I have a very close friend who is a self funded, self motivated, completely independent historian of USAF, and particularly UPT heritage. He has class patches from nearly every single class from every single UPT base dating back into the early 70s and earlier. Most of these patches are proudly shown on his website. He's always on the hunt for more stuff to add to his collection, and if anyone is interested I can put you in touch with him.

Of course the people leading the charge all had patches like this, as they should have:

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

I sent an email to Jim. Hopefully he can help shelter some of the stuff. If any of you are able to spirit away memorabilia, Jim might be able to provide a home for it.

[cmdro]

Just an old Capt here at Columbus and if any of you went through CAFB and had a class patch (from any year) that was even remotely "offensive" it's been torn down from the walls/snackbar/etc. Sorry brothers and sorry to see history/tradition go...

So, has anyone looked at CBM on google maps lately?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbus+afb&hl=en&ll=33.62865,-88.437329&spn=0.001568,0.00284&sll=36.914764,-119.311523&sspn=12.322155,23.269043&t=h&hq=columbus+afb&z=19

[Breckey]

Boom! Roasted.

Break, Break

We had to fly yesterday taking the missile commanders to every capsule to look for "inappropriate material". We burned over $50k worth of JP-8 for this, yet our OG will barely give us money for dish soap and toilet paper. AFGSC Standard.

Edited December 12, 2012 by Breckey

[Seriously]

So, has anyone looked at CBM on google maps lately?

https://maps.google....lumbus+afb&z=19

Shhhhh....

[magnetfreezer]

It'll be a huge pain for these guys - they'll have to completely rename all their squadron stuff: https://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123166420

[TarHeelPilot]

So, has anyone looked at CBM on google maps lately?

https://maps.google....lumbus+afb&z=19

What, the sunshades? Yes, that was quite the installation debacle.

[Sim]

Just an old Capt here at Columbus and if any of you went through CAFB and had a class patch (from any year) that was even remotely "offensive" it's been torn down from the walls/snackbar/etc. Sorry brothers and sorry to see history/tradition go...

That's been done about 3 years ago. Pussification of air force continues.

[Ahab]

...they can't do something useful, so instead they're doing something visible.

^^This hints to the fundamental problem. The common denominator at work across the Air Force is that very few seem willing or capable to pause long enough to consider and understand the (any) problem, big or small, before they take action on it. One of my favorite distillations of 'leadership' can help illustrate what I mean:

"General von Moltke divided the entire officer corps into four distinct types, depending on their mental and physical characteristics: 1) mentally dull and physically lazy, 2) mentally bright and physically energetic, 3) mentally dull and physically energetic, and 4) bright and lazy.

Type 1: The officers who were both mentally dull and physically lazy were given simple, repetitive, unchallenging tasks.

Type 2: The officers who were both mentally bright and physically energetic, Von Moltke felt were obsessed with micromanagement and accordingly would be poor leaders. Therefore, he never promoted this type of officer to the status of commanding officer of the German General Staff.

Type 3: The officers who were mentally dull but physically energetic, Von Moltke considered dangerous. To him, they were walking, talking mistake generators that required constant supervision. Because they created messes faster than could be fixed, these officers were too much trouble and were dismissed.

Type 4: The mentally bright yet physically lazy officer, our hero, is the type of person Von Moltke felt should ascend to the lofty heights of ultimate command. Why? Because he is smart enough to see what needs to be done but is also motivated by laziness to find the easiest, simplest way to succeed. And, of course, such an officer would never sully his hands with details, vastly preferring to delegate those concerns to the eager beaver types."

We have too many type 3 officers in positions of power and influence. I don't know why, but it seems to me that these types are heavily rewarded/regarded in the Air Force:

[pawnman]

^^This hints to the fundamental problem. The common denominator at work across the Air Force is that very few seem willing or capable to pause long enough to consider and understand the (any) problem, big or small, before they take action on it. One of my favorite distillations of 'leadership' can help illustrate what I mean:

"General von Moltke divided the entire officer corps into four distinct types, depending on their mental and physical characteristics: 1) mentally dull and physically lazy, 2) mentally bright and physically energetic, 3) mentally dull and physically energetic, and 4) bright and lazy.

Type 1: The officers who were both mentally dull and physically lazy were given simple, repetitive, unchallenging tasks.

Type 2: The officers who were both mentally bright and physically energetic, Von Moltke felt were obsessed with micromanagement and accordingly would be poor leaders. Therefore, he never promoted this type of officer to the status of commanding officer of the German General Staff.

Type 3: The officers who were mentally dull but physically energetic, Von Moltke considered dangerous. To him, they were walking, talking mistake generators that required constant supervision. Because they created messes faster than could be fixed, these officers were too much trouble and were dismissed.

Type 4: The mentally bright yet physically lazy officer, our hero, is the type of person Von Moltke felt should ascend to the lofty heights of ultimate command. Why? Because he is smart enough to see what needs to be done but is also motivated by laziness to find the easiest, simplest way to succeed. And, of course, such an officer would never sully his hands with details, vastly preferring to delegate those concerns to the eager beaver types."

We have too many type 3 officers in positions of power and influence. I don't know why, but it seems to me that these types are heavily rewarded/regarded in the Air Force:

It's because you don't get OPR bullets by delegating things.

[guineapigfury]

It's because you don't get OPR bullets by delegating things.

Easy fix. Make OPRs 3 lines instead of 10. 1 bullet apiece for AFSC specific stuff, 1 for position stuff, 1 push line. Make an AFSC specific test like the E's have, and put the score in all the newly available white space. Problem solved.

[Blue Scourge]

Our wing had all of the Officers here until 2355 last night going over each and every file that was "discovered". The file would then be labled as to what it was and where it was found, once done that would be sent up to the next level of leadership for their approval. We have another CC today, I'm sure the results will be discussed.

My Grandfather served in the Air Force from 1947 - 1970 and worked various jobs on the flightline. He may or may not have been responsible for some of the more *censored* artwork; I shared this story with him just the other night and he couldn't believe it.

[PlanePhlyer]

Such an unfortunate and drastic turn of events. Is it bad if I'm looking forward to going to the Deid so I can just focus on the J.O.B.?

break...break

Just got our sqdn naming squashed. Aparently an O-6 type wants to be there for appropriate sensoring. Looking forward to a good night.

[Guest]

Sensoring.

That sounds bad. Or weird.