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Don't joke about it.

Not even if you're a comedian performing on base.

This is probably similar to the performance he put on.

Whether or not you think it's offensive, it's just mind numbingly unfunny.

I thought maybe he had a stroke and the USO was hiring special people in the same way the AF hires convicts and blind people around base. Then the internet brought me to this article:

**NSFW**

https://www.tmrzoo.co...stern-show-pics

He is crazy like a fox.

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Hopefully somebody took note of everyone in the audience who laughed at the offensive jokes. Because one day it's jokes, the next day it's rape.

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It did, back in the mid-90s.

Agree. I can remember being able to buy hustler, penthouse, jugs, or any other smut mag at the bx in the 90s. I have a feeling they are now considering playboy and maxim "adult"

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Agree. I can remember being able to buy hustler, penthouse, jugs, or any other smut mag at the bx in the 90s. I have a feeling they are now considering playboy and maxim "adult"

Playboy wasn't already considered "adult".

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Agree. I can remember being able to buy hustler, penthouse, jugs, or any other smut mag at the bx in the 90s. I have a feeling they are now considering playboy and maxim "adult"

The definition was 'reshaped' late last year. They're talking about Runner's World.

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The definition was 'reshaped' late last year. They're talking about Runner's World.

Wow because they alternate between a skinny dude runner, and a skinny abs-showing chick runner every other issue?

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Agree. I can remember being able to buy hustler, penthouse, jugs, or any other smut mag at the bx in the 90s. I have a feeling they are now considering playboy and maxim "adult"

Maxim is considered adult in my workplace. We got a memo on it from some J3 Col.

Didn't the gestapo morality officer stop by your office and check your porn papers too?

EDIT to add that we're not allowed to watch R-rated movies at work anymore either.. on mids.. with all bros. In fairness someone put up Hostel on the big screen.. that guy. :flipoff:

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WASHINGTON (AFNS) --

In the commentary below, Air Force Vice Chief of Staff, General Larry Spencer, gives direct feedback to Airmen on comments and suggestions posted on the service’s Sexual Assault Prevention and Response blog.

Since launching July 15, more than 900 comments have been posted on the blog, with more than 500 coming on the first posting.

“’We can’t fix this issue sitting in the Pentagon,’” said General Spencer in the inaugural SAPR blog post. “’We need each and every one of you to get engaged in addressing this issue… this crime, and it is a crime. We need to know exactly where you feel the issues are, so we can address them with laser focus. I need every one of you helping us find ways to ensure dignity and respect are prevailing qualities in our daily relationships.’”

Today, Spencer wants Airmen to know their voice has been heard by senior leadership and suggestions are being acted upon.

Gen. Larry Spencer

Air Force Vice Chief of Staff

Once again, you answered the call and responded to our request to hear from you – thank you.

More than two months ago, I launched the “Every Airman Counts” campaign in an effort to communicate directly with Airmen on how best to address the issue of sexual assault prevention and response within our organization. One of the tools we developed is a blog to stimulate discussion and for you to share your never-ending innovative suggestions, ideas, or concerns with each other and senior leaders. Let me tell you – your senior leaders read the blog daily and we appreciate your candid comments.

As of today, we have received roughly 900 comments on the blog. What’s more, we have had approximately 46,000 visits to the site. What this tells me is that you care – you are taking time to read about a problem that affects us all and give us suggestions on how to fix it.

There have been a lot of great comments – too many to discuss in this article – but I felt it was appropriate to give you some feedback and to highlight some recurring themes and key take-aways senior leaders have gleaned from the blog.

Key take-aways

First, a number of you mentioned the need for more focused training at all levels, but most importantly, for commanders and front-line supervisors. You’re also telling us we need realistic training with realistic scenarios and small group discussions for the training to be effective. We’ve taken some initial actions on each of these suggestions and will continue to expand and intensify our efforts.

Another issue you raised is that alcohol abuse is commonly linked to sexual assault. We hear you and the data shows you are correct. As a result, we have reached out to our MAJCOMs to gather best practices regarding use of alcohol in the dorms, and may explore different options to see what makes sense to implement across the Air Force.

Next, several blog entries highlighted victim blaming as a concern. To be clear, we cannot and will not blame the victim! Our training efforts will ensure every Airman understands the toll this trauma exacts on victims and their families. If you haven’t been to the blog to watch the videos of our three extremely strong survivors, I encourage you to do so – it is heart wrenching, but will truly help you understand the spectrum of trauma victims endure. It took a lot of courage for these women to come forward and tell their stories, but they did so to help others and help our Air Force.

Action taken

Based on your blog entries and feedback from focus groups, we have several other initiatives underway as well. On August 1st we implemented an advanced course on how to deal with sexual assault, and have trained more than 96 OSI agents and legal representatives to date. Additionally, we are developing a Basic Military Training Transition program where our newest Airmen will spend one-week in a classroom environment between BMT graduation and technical school. Here they will learn about a variety of issues to include the Air Force culture and what’s expected of them as Airmen. Finally, this month, we will share final outcomes of convicted court cases with the Air Force Times so all of our Airmen can have visibility on the final disposition of those convicted of this crime. Additionally, synopses of sexual assault convictions from 2010 to present can be found at https://www.afjag.af....ultprosecution/.

The Secretary of the Air Force, Chief of Staff, and I are fully committed to eradicating the crime of sexual assault from our Service – but we can’t do this alone. We need each and every one of you focused on this problem. Every Airman Counts means we treat each other with dignity and respect. Thank you again for helping us work this issue – we’re looking for “game changers” so keep those ideas coming.

Thank you also for all you do to make our Air Force the best the world has ever seen. Airpower!

Please continue to post your comments and concerns on the blog at https://afsapr.dodlive.mil

Sounds like a hoot!

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Next, several blog entries highlighted victim blaming as a concern. To be clear, we cannot and will not blame the victim! Our training efforts will ensure every Airman understands the toll this trauma exacts on victims and their families. If you haven’t been to the blog to watch the videos of our three extremely strong survivors, I encourage you to do so – it is heart wrenching, but will truly help you understand the spectrum of trauma victims endure. It took a lot of courage for these women to come forward and tell their stories, but they did so to help others and help our Air Force.

This is my big problem with the SARC program. I'm not saying we should blame the victims, but maybe a little education about risk vs. reward of specific situations may help. All we do now is wait for it to happen and then swoop in and give hugs...

Example: One single female goes out to drink with a man she doesn't know all alone. She leaves her drink unattended and consumes enough to make her stumbling drunk.

Legal? Sure

Should she have the right to not be raped? Absolutely

Is this a setup to a compromising situation? You know it

We can't say this though because someone might take it as victim blaming. It's not. It's similar to why I wear a seatbelt. I should be able to assume that I won't get t-boned by some texting teenager, but I know the possibility is out there and high enough for me to warrant a safety restraint.

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Should she have the right to not be raped? Absolutely

Is this a setup to a compromising situation? You know it

We can't say this though because someone might take it as victim blaming. It's not. It's similar to why I wear a seatbelt. I should be able to assume that I won't get t-boned by some texting teenager, but I know the possibility is out there and high enough for me to warrant a safety restraint.

At the KMIB Sexual Assault stand down day mass brief, as soon as one of the SARCs started talking about how to avoid putting yourself in higher-risk situations (i.e. not getting blackout drunk), a shrill voice came from the back of the auditorium shrieked "Why does it matter if she was blackout drunk?"

FML.

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At the KMIB Sexual Assault stand down day mass brief, as soon as one of the SARCs started talking about how to avoid putting yourself in higher-risk situations (i.e. not getting blackout drunk), a shrill voice came from the back of the auditorium shrieked "Why does it matter if she was blackout drunk?"

FML.

That's why we can't have nice things... lowest common denominator.

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  • 1 month later...
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https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20131027/NEWS05/310270007/Lawmaker-sustains-6-month-hold-3-star-s-nomination

Robert Turner, who teaches national security law at the University of Virginia School of Law, argues that McCaskill is sending the wrong message to military jurors and judges by blocking Helms’ nomination.

“This message says that if you get any kind of a case that involves allegations of sexual impropriety, you had better side with the complainant,” said Turner, associate director of the Center for National Security Law, in an Oct. 24 interview with Air Force Times. “If you’ve got one member of the Senate with the power to destroy your career, there’s a horrible message here: Justice doesn’t matter; convicting people whatever the evidence is the best way to continue your career.”

Retired Maj. Gen. Charles Dunlap, former Air Force deputy judge advocate general, believes Helms deserves a vote.

“Let’s see how many senators are prepared to vote against a women who is one of the most qualified officers’ on the planet for the job simply because she exercised her conscience as the law demanded her to do,” Dunlap said in an Oct. 24 email. “If people doing their job as Congress designed it are nevertheless punished like this, who is next? Judges? Defense counsel? Anyone in uniform?

“We don’t want senior leaders who simply bend to the political winds to further their career."

Scary that this may just be the norm in the future. After the Wilkerson debacle and now this it may be increasingly unlikely that any Convening Authority will stick their neck out when reasonable doubt exists...

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Well I guess some solace can be taken that it's no longer the "good ole boys fighter pilot club" and their "rape songs" that are in the crosshairs of politicians.

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On a more hilarious note, this happened:

https://www.vance.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123368125

After discussing it with Terri Presa, the Sexual Assault Response Coordinator at Vance, Mazza decided to conduct an exercise in the workplace.

A photo of an actress in swimwear on the beach was displayed at the desk of a lieutenant temporarily assigned to the office while waiting for his pilot training to start.

"I wanted to see if anyone in my unit would say something about a questionable photo in the work place," said Mazza.

Next up, SFS leaving black bags around base to see who calls in a bomb threat.

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I now understand why finance at Vance was such a shit show when it came to doing their job (second only to the MPF section).

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