More SARC briefings soon.

[Fuzz]

One is lying, and the investigation (which naturally assumes the victim ISNT lying) uncovers nothing new...her word against his...what SHOULD the AF do?

If there is no evidence, I really don't see how the prosecution could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this happened nor how a jury could convict. Even in the light that the article portrayed the story I remain unconvinced.

[Learjetter]

This phenomena is called the "CSI effect". Needing physical evidence to corroborate testimony. It's not common to get such evidence, and most of the time you're left with only two detailed written statements: she said vs he said.

Who is lying? Who has motive to lie? Her? What does she gain by making up the story?

Him? What is he gaining by saying it never happened?

If she is lying, she's vindictive and crazy to put herself through the ringer just to get a dude put in prison as a sex offender. Some accusers do this.

If he's lying, it's to save his ass. This is almost universally true, which is why OSI likes to get confessions or admissions.

Most CMs likely see it this way and as long as the accuser is even close to credible, the accused is toast.

Again, then, what SHOULD happen?

[Fuzz]

This phenomena is called the "CSI effect". Needing physical evidence to corroborate testimony. It's not common to get such evidence, and most of the time you're left with only two detailed written statements: she said vs he said.

Who is lying? Who has motive to lie? Her? What does she gain by making up the story?

Him? What is he gaining by saying it never happened?

If she is lying, she's vindictive and crazy to put herself through the ringer just to get a dude put in prison as a sex offender. Some accusers do this.

If he's lying, it's to save his ass. This is almost universally true, which is why OSI likes to get confessions or admissions.

Most CMs likely see it this way and as long as the accuser is even close to credible, the accused is toast.

Again, then, what SHOULD happen?

Apparently the JAG thought they had enough of a case to take it to court, I'm just saying even after reading the story that was pro-victim, I'm not convinced the guy was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. However, I don't trust the current legal system in the military, in my view the well has been poisoned in relation to any sexual assault case, from the pressure for the JAG to prosecute, to the convening authority to punish, and the effect that is has on those that sit on the jury.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Fuzz

[SVFR]

JAG is spring loaded to take it to court in our current political climate. Don't know the facts of this case but I saw one go to court where the only evidence was the accusers testimony and the accusers psychologist testimony of what the accuser already said.

[Fiver]

So...do you not see that THIS is "victim/accuser blaming?" And this attitude is why this is such a tough problem for commanders/units/the AF?

All I know about this case is the story linked above, and what I read here:

https://www.afjag.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-141020-038.pdf

Your visceral response to the "accuser-friendly" article leads me to believe one of two things: 1) you are aware of exculpatory evidence or facts NOT in evidence, or 2) you simply believe Brooks over Kris.

The CM voted to convict, therefore the court believed Kris' credibility over Brooks'.

This is a typical case: no eyewitness, no physical evidence, no overt confession of guilt. Just two peers in the same squadron, one accusing, the other denying.

One is lying, and the investigation (which naturally assumes the victim ISNT lying) uncovers nothing new...her word against his...what SHOULD the AF do?

All I know after reading through that link is that if I ever commit rape, I am glad I am in the Air Force and an officer, jail for a couple weeks (maybe) and I walk free?

Those punishments are disgusting.

Especially the ones involving children, sometimes their own. Punishments of 6 mos, 40 mos, etc? If I was the JAG, those motherfu**ers wouldn't make it out of the courtroom before they were lethally injected.

I thought the UCMJ was supposed to be tougher on us because we are held to a higher standard. I am truly disappointed in every single one of those punishments. My daughters are no longer allowed to be in the military.

[SurelySerious]

All I know after reading through that link is that if I ever commit rape, I am glad I am in the Air Force and an officer, jail for a couple weeks (maybe) and I walk free?

Those punishments are disgusting.

Especially the ones involving children, sometimes their own. Punishments of 6 mos, 40 mos, etc? If I was the JAG, those motherfu**ers wouldn't make it out of the courtroom before they were lethally injected.

I thought the UCMJ was supposed to be tougher on us because we are held to a higher standard. I am truly disappointed in every single one of those punishments. My daughters are no longer allowed to be in the military.

There are definitely ones in there with 12 and 15 year sentences.

Either way, different charges have different sentencing specifications. It's tough to critique when you don't know all of the details.

[Herk Driver]

All I know after reading through that link is that if I ever commit rape, I am glad I am in the Air Force and an officer, jail for a couple weeks (maybe) and I walk free?

Those punishments are disgusting.

Especially the ones involving children, sometimes their own. Punishments of 6 mos, 40 mos, etc? If I was the JAG, those motherfu**ers wouldn't make it out of the courtroom before they were lethally injected.

I thought the UCMJ was supposed to be tougher on us because we are held to a higher standard. I am truly disappointed in every single one of those punishments. My daughters are no longer allowed to be in the military.

It's all about the jury...no one can predict what they will do. The possible punishment in the UCMJ is higher in many cases, but the jury decides punishment...in jury cases. Edited March 5, 2015 by Herk Driver

[sqwatch]

There are definitely ones in there with 12 and 15 year sentences.

Either way, different charges have different sentencing specifications. It's tough to critique when you don't know all of the details.

Shack. But everyone's a lawyer until mob justice is administered.

[zach braff]

I like the guy that grabbed a girl's buttocks at a party and got court martialed. The Air Force should have sent some agents & JAGs to pretty much every hip hop night club I ever went to in my 20s - they would have had a field day.

zb

[Dupe]

Again, then, what SHOULD happen?

One thing that absolutely SHOULD happen is that accusers and alleged perpetrators absolutely must be separated. I'm shocked that Kris was left in-place where she had to interact with the defendant on a reoccurring basis. Unless there are extreme circumstances involved (geographically isolated units engaged in combat, etc), I can't see why keeping both parties around is a good idea. Moving both parties to not demonstrate favoritism may even be wise.

Convening authorities SHOULD allow the military justice process to take its course and not demonstrate undue command influence to either side.

[Flaco]

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/04/01/air-force-songbook-again-cited-this-time-in-sex-assault-lawsuit.html

Here we go, again.....

Edited April 3, 2015 by Flaco

[SurelySerious]

Does the songbook not get double jeopardy protection?

[pcola]

One of the comments to the most recent article posted:

Right now this seems to be an Active Duty issue. But the real question is there really a sexual assault culture in the Air Force or is this just a wedge issue being pushed by the special interest groups? I ran across some interesting data from a DOD IG audit of cases from 2014. Air Force had 328 opened 2012 and closed in 2013. The main victim and subject (accused) age groups was 18 to 29, 70% junior enlisted. Both victim and subject had consumed voluntarily an intoxicating substance at a rate of 45 to 50 percent, basically both were probably impaired. At this time total force with civilians was 486000 and AD female population 58,560. Now the data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics for the same age groups focuses on females per 1000 students/nonstudents they show a rate of 6.1/7.6 per 1000 sexually assaulted. Using this model the Air Force had a sexual assault rate of 5.6 per 1000.

The main theme running through both reports was intoxicant use by both victim and subject. As far as the Air Force is concerned Wingman may be not doing their jobs and looking out for their fellow Airmen. But our culture is on the whole is stronger than the civilian world."

The commenter makes a great point.

[10percenttruth]

One of the comments to the most recent article posted:

Right now this seems to be an Active Duty issue. But the real question is there really a sexual assault culture in the Air Force or is this just a wedge issue being pushed by the special interest groups? I ran across some interesting data from a DOD IG audit of cases from 2014. Air Force had 328 opened 2012 and closed in 2013. The main victim and subject (accused) age groups was 18 to 29, 70% junior enlisted. Both victim and subject had consumed voluntarily an intoxicating substance at a rate of 45 to 50 percent, basically both were probably impaired. At this time total force with civilians was 486000 and AD female population 58,560. Now the data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics for the same age groups focuses on females per 1000 students/nonstudents they show a rate of 6.1/7.6 per 1000 sexually assaulted. Using this model the Air Force had a sexual assault rate of 5.6 per 1000.

The main theme running through both reports was intoxicant use by both victim and subject. As far as the Air Force is concerned Wingman may be not doing their jobs and looking out for their fellow Airmen. But our culture is on the whole is stronger than the civilian world."

The commenter makes a great point.

Statistics always ruin a good witch hunt, I mean crusade, I mean noble cause.

[HU&W]

$10K contract awarded for expert to provide kissing training at Dyess.

[Goblin]

Best comment for that article goes to...

[waveshaper]

$10K contract awarded for expert to provide kissing training at Dyess.

Excerpt; The Dyess Air Force Base outside Abilene hired a touring speaker to deliver three sessions of a program called "May I Kiss You?" aimed at teaching men about consent and sexual assault prevention. The program uses humor to help boys

and men understand when it is appropriate to make sexual advances on a woman.

This training seems to be very discriminatory.

What about some training for heterosexual women kissing/making sexual advances on heterosexual men? What about some

training for lesbians kissing/making sexual advances on other lesbians? What about some training for gay men

kissing/making sexual advances on other gay men? What about some training for bisexuals kissing/making sexual advances

on members of all the different gender identity types? What about some training for transgender members kissing/making

sexual advances on whatever the hell they kiss/make sexual advances on?

[guineapigfury]

Obviously, what's needed in these situations are chaperones. Because I am a gentlemen, scholar, and patriot, I volunteer to keep an eye on all these lesbians kissing and making sexual advances on each other.

[TreeA10]

Apparently the problem is due to the Bible, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence.

https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/13/defense-department-the-bible-constitution-and-declaration-of-independence-all-perpetuate-sexism/

[hispeed7721]

Apparently the problem is due to the Bible, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence.

https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/13/defense-department-the-bible-constitution-and-declaration-of-independence-all-perpetuate-sexism/

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[Vprdrvr69]

Apparently the problem is due to the Bible, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence.

https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/13/defense-department-the-bible-constitution-and-declaration-of-independence-all-perpetuate-sexism/

"According to the presentation, the Defense Department also bans the word Redskin pitting the Pentagon against its hometown NFL team."

Funny how the biggest operation in modern times was called Geronimo. We use Tomahawk missiles to rain death on crazy radicalized Muslims. Apache gunships kill anything that moves when the fangs are out! The native Indian reference list goes on and on and on...

And we're worried about offending someone because of the name of a football team! WTFO?

These crazy progressive fuks are fundamentally changing our society, that's for damn sure. Of course, that might be my "privilege" talking...

[Breckey]

Apache gunships kill anything that moves when the fangs are out! The native Indian reference list goes on and on and on...

Actually all US Army helicopters have Native American tribal names (Kiowa, Chinook, Cheyenne, Blackhawk, etc)

[SurelySerious]

"According to the presentation, the Defense Department also bans the word Redskin pitting the Pentagon against its hometown NFL team."

Apache gunships kill anything that moves when the fangs are out! The native Indian reference list goes on and on and on...

Haha, yeah. Apache, Black Hawk, Lakota, Kiowa, Chinook, Iroquois... oh, every Army helo?

Edit: juuuuust a bit late

Edited April 15, 2015 by SurelySerious

[Guest]

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS02/20150423/103283/BILLS-114HR1735ih-MLP.pdf

HASC Draft for FY16 NDAA

SEC. 544 [Log 60761]. IMPROVED DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE PREVENTION AND RESPONSE TO SEXUAL ASSAULTS IN WHICH THE VICTIM IS A MALE MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES.

(a) PLAN TO IMPROVE PREVENTION AND RESPONSE.The Secretary of Defense, in collaboration with the Secretaries of the military departments, shall develop a plan to improve Department of Defense prevention and response to sexual assaults in which the victim is a male member of the Armed Forces.

(b) ELEMENTS.The plan required by subsection (a) shall include the following:

(1) Sexual assault prevention and response training to more comprehensively and directly address the incidence of male members of the Armed Forces who are sexually assaulted and how certain behavior and activities, such as hazing, can constitute a sexual assault.

(2) Methods to evaluate the extent to which differences exist in the medical and mental health-care needs of male and female sexual assault victims, and the care regimen, if any, that will best meet those needs.

(3) Data-driven decision making to improve male-victim sexual assault prevention and response program efforts.

(4) Goals with associated metrics to drive the changes needed to address sexual assaults of male members of the Armed Forces.

(5) Information about the sexual victimization of males in communications to members that are used to raise awareness of sexual assault and efforts to prevent and respond to it.

(6) Guidance for the departments medical and mental health providers, and other personnel as appropriate, based on the results of the evaluation described in paragraph (2), that delineates these gender-specific distinctions and the care regimen that is recommended to most effectively meet those needs.

So yeah, more SARC training, specifically for male sexual assault victims.

[17D_guy]

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS02/20150423/103283/BILLS-114HR1735ih-MLP.pdf

HASC Draft for FY16 NDAA

So yeah, more SARC training, specifically for male sexual assault victims.

Don't know if we need more, but glad to see they're rolling in the other 1/2 the population that gets raped. This is like having to listen to all the Domestic Violence stuff like it only happens to the females and a chick would never beat, scratch, destroy property, lie or otherwise destroy a man's like.