More SARC briefings soon.

[HossHarris]

Decline the focus groups without legal representation.

[Majestik Møøse]

I got the same thing. Answered "no" to every question because they had the descriptor "were you offended" or something similar on almost all of them.

So...are you saying someone did or did not put their hoohah in one of your orifices?

[BB Stacker]

Per the brief, after pilot training will be ROTC.

Because when I think "which of the three commissioning sources needs the most attention regarding SAPR," the clear answer is ROTC and not the place where athletes have raped women for years with impunity.

[17D_guy]

Because when I think "which of the three commissioning sources needs the most attention regarding SAPR," the clear answer is ROTC and not the place where athletes have raped women for years with impunity.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.. lets not get in the way of some traditions

[Boilermaker]

My buddy was in one of the focus groups and he felt they were asking leading questions to get incriminating information.

And 3 on the briefing of "We won't investigate, but we'll turn it over to investigators" bit

What sorts of questions do you know?

[Sketch]

This is why I tell my fellow cadets to look elsewhere both in ROTC and when they hit AD. Not worth the potential liability, especially with cases flaring up from years ago.

While this year it happened to be suicide awareness due to the timing (RW death and an airman at our local base all in the same week) the first thing normally brought up during ROTC commanders' calls is SAPR. Nuff said.

[BB Stacker]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.. lets not get in the way of some traditions

It's all rum roofies, sodomy, and the lash more sodomy.

[BitteEinBit]

This is why I tell my fellow cadets to look elsewhere both in ROTC and when they hit AD. Not worth the potential liability, especially with cases flaring up from years ago.

If dudes have cases flaring up from years ago, they've got some bad shit! That's why I always say wrap that shit up! Oh wait...you're talking about....nevermind.....

In all seriousness, I have a dirty sense of humor. I've joked at work...but even I know rape, sexual assault, harassment are bad. Does the Air Force really see an increasing problem here? (I don't have access to the stats) Is there a new generation of dirtiness entering our force or are we just overreacting? If we did a "cleanup" a few years back, wouldn't it stand to reason that we shouldn't still be having these problems?

It is kind of like the AF and its increasing focus on physical fitness over the past 12 years, but somehow our personnel medical costs still keep rising...weird.

You would think we would have fix the problem after all these years with all those great CBTs and "all calls." This isn't a new phenomenon and it certainly isn't something only in the flying community. Every few years we come up with new CBTs and even more sternly worded memos condemning these behaviors, but it isn't working. Maybe (and this is just me talking) this is a human behavior that can only be eradicated by focusing on the humans performing this behavior and removing them from service as opposed to trying to reassure those of us who already know this behavior is bad, that it is bad through additional CBTs and other time-wasting seminars. I don't know anyone in my dirty circle of friends who would tolerate this behavior, and I'm pretty sure it is the same with 93.1% of us in the AF. Lets focus on the other 6.9%...those dirty MFs!

Edited August 25, 2014 by BitteEinBit

[Winchester]

Because when I think "which of the three commissioning sources needs the most attention regarding SAPR," the clear answer is ROTC and not the place where athletes have raped women for years with impunity.

. The NBA?

[Karl Hungus]

Florida State.

[10percenttruth]

Because when I think "which of the three commissioning sources needs the most attention regarding SAPR," the clear answer is ROTC and not the place where athletes have raped women for years with impunity.

[Spoo]

Champ, we're talking prison rape type questions. As in, has anyone from work put their hoo-hah in any of your orifices in the last 12 months. That was about halfway through, up to that point it was the standard hostile work environment questions ( i.e. sexual jokes, gay jokes, etc). All of us in the flight room definitely got a good laugh out of it, but I was puzzled as to what the angle was for the survey. Surely, someone else got selected or do I have some sort of special mark in my records.

Just took the survey here and was equally perplexed, not to mention left feeling slightly violated. I no shit looked around to make sure nobody was looking at my monitor. Anyhow, talked it over with a Navy counterpart. Apparently the Navy did a survey a couple years ago in which the definition of sexual assualt was incredibly vague; everything from merely touching someone's knee to full-on rape was lumped in the same category. The results yielded something like 50,000 instances of sexual assault. This iteration was most likely an attempt to better define and assign more accurate numbers to the problem.

[Boilermaker]

If dudes have cases flaring up from years ago, they've got some bad shit! That's why I always say wrap that shit up! Oh wait...you're talking about....nevermind.....

In all seriousness, I have a dirty sense of humor. I've joked at work...but even I know rape, sexual assault, harassment are bad. Does the Air Force really see an increasing problem here? (I don't have access to the stats) Is there a new generation of dirtiness entering our force or are we just overreacting? If we did a "cleanup" a few years back, wouldn't it stand to reason that we shouldn't still be having these problems?

It is kind of like the AF and its increasing focus on physical fitness over the past 12 years, but somehow our personnel medical costs still keep rising...weird.

You would think we would have fix the problem after all these years with all those great CBTs and "all calls." This isn't a new phenomenon and it certainly isn't something only in the flying community. Every few years we come up with new CBTs and even more sternly worded memos condemning these behaviors, but it isn't working. Maybe (and this is just me talking) this is a human behavior that can only be eradicated by focusing on the humans performing this behavior and removing them from service as opposed to trying to reassure those of us who already know this behavior is bad, that it is bad through additional CBTs and other time-wasting seminars. I don't know anyone in my dirty circle of friends who would tolerate this behavior, and I'm pretty sure it is the same with 93.1% of us in the AF. Lets focus on the other 6.9%...those dirty MFs!

I also don't have the statistics, but I'd like to know how we compare to the US population, i.e. there are x number of offenses per y number of total people vs the same numbers for the general populace. I imagine the AF has significantly less occurrences per capita. I've also yet to see a stated goal for the number of offenses. Obviously we are working toward zero, but we also know that's impossible. That being the case, if we don't define an acceptable number, and as stated, we'll never reach zero, then this continual focus on SAPR will never end. Further, I doubt we'll ever define an acceptable number because it would be unpopular. Who is going to stand up and publicly say any number of annual rapes are "acceptable." Finally, I'd argue that as time goes by and we do reach a number that is statistically representative of our lowest possible number of incidents, the rate will virtually cease to decrease, and in an effort to further decrease these numbers; briefs, training, etc will increase. Think exponential functions from calculus where the graph approaches but never reaches zero.

[ComingLeft]

Two standard deviations below the general population, accounting for like demographics?

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[Herk Driver]

The stated goal is zero.

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[Warrior]

The stated goal is zero.

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

There is but one way to achieve that goal...disband the military. No one to be assaulted or do the assaulting. Ipso facto, target achieved.

[HeloDude]

Looks like Clemson University is doing some sexual assault 'training' of their own...

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5923

[SurelySerious]

Looks like Clemson University is doing some sexual assault 'training' of their own...

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5923

Nice. My school had a Sexual Violence Awareness CBT (Title IX requirement for registration), but it wasn't invasive. Frankly, the AF could probably stand to learn from it.

[deaddebate]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-adopts-means-sex-assault-rule-25826956

Gov. Jerry Brown announced Sunday that he has signed a bill that makes California the first in the nation to define when "yes means yes" and adopt requirements for colleges to follow when investigating sexual assault reports.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967

In order to receive state funds for student financial assistance [...] institutions shall adopt a policy concerning sexual assault [...] The policy shall include [...]

An affirmative consent standard in the determination of whether consent was given by both parties to sexual activity. “Affirmative consent” means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. It is the responsibility of each person involved in the sexual activity to ensure that he or she has the affirmative consent of the other or others to engage in the sexual activity. Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent. Affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity and can be revoked at any time. [...]

[...] the complainant [is] unable to consent to the sexual activity under any of the following circumstances:

The complainant was asleep or unconscious.

The complainant was incapacitated due to the influence of drugs, alcohol, or medication [...]

[17D_guy]

Haven't finished it yet, and some of the editorializing is.. annoying. But I found it a good read and indicative of the problems our leaders face when trying to make all parties happy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/magazine/the-militarys-rough-justice-on-sexual-assault.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

(Prosecutor) Christensen stayed behind with (Victim) Kris. She had just returned from deployment in Qatar, but her eyes conveyed a weariness deeper than jet lag. While Kris was gone, the wing commander visited (Rapist) Brooks in jail, as had several of his squadron buddies — a show of support that the victim herself had not once received. Kris was told that there had been an “all-operators” meeting in her absence, in which the operations commander informed the squadron that Brooks was found guilty and sentenced to jail time. But, the commander added, there were two sides to every story, and people could continue to believe whatever they wanted, regardless of the jury’s verdict.

More important, Kris told Christensen that after years of glowing performance evaluations, she had recently been downgraded — Newberry wrote that she needed to keep her “emotions in check.” There was nothing Christensen could think to say. He had done his job. But this was not justice. As he would later remark: “When the commander is so obviously supporting the accused over the victim, it sends a clear message that it’s O.K. not to believe her and to shun her. And so why would a woman come forward, knowing what Kris has gone through?”

Wow.

Edited November 30, 2014 by 17D_guy

[uhhello]

Haven't finished it yet, and some of the editorializing is.. annoying. But I found it a good read and indicative of the problems our leaders face when trying to make all parties happy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/magazine/the-militarys-rough-justice-on-sexual-assault.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

Wow.

Wow is right.

[Azimuth]

Wow is right.

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How fucking sick.

[McDonut]

... the place where athletes have raped women for years with impunity.

Since that shit never happens at college campuses.

Let's compare rape statistics for US colleges and compare it to the academies and reevaluate.

[Guest]

Wow.

This article is in our local AF PA's daily email of the Air Force in the news.

That was the exact excerpt I was going to post. You took the words right out of my mouth. Totally agree.

[sqwatch]

Haven't finished it yet, and some of the editorializing is.. annoying. But I found it a good read and indicative of the problems our leaders face when trying to make all parties happy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/magazine/the-militarys-rough-justice-on-sexual-assault.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

Wow.

My distrust of the media started in 1996 when I was one of many individuals who witnessed a school shooting. The tragedy was a disaster for our small town community, and media outlets from all over jumped on the story. As I was involved firsthand, I knew what the facts were in regards to the victims and the murderer, but what was reported was so far from the truth that my adolescent mind had a hard time reckoning that the news was broadcasting outright fabrications- but these fabrications sold airtime and newspapers. He-said she-saids were reported as fact. It was my first glimpse at how members of the media disregarded their moral responsibility of informing the public of facts and separating opinions from gospel when a sensational story lends itself to ratings.

The events that transpired 18 years ago in my little town have little to do with sexual assault in the military, but they have in common an ability to grab the attention of the reader and have them say "that's so ed up", thus selling add spacing.

Where is the rest if the transcript of the commander's speech where he OKs the opinions of individuals regardless if the verdict so it may be taken in context? Where are the statistics comparing sexual assault in the military vs a civilian demographic? Where are the success stories of the dirtbags who committed sexual assault and were sent to prison? After reading that article, I was left with impression that all commanders and peers side with the perpetrator. That is not reality.

Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. But before I give my heart to a journalist who makes a living on the amount of viewers his story generates and has no military experience, I hope I have an accurate understanding of all sides.