AFEAGLE09 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I would like to know the difference between Air Force rated officers vs. their non-rated counterparts. I've heard being rated gives you opportunities for command and such, as opposed to being non-rated. Does being rated unlocks things non-rated officers don't have access to? What are the benefits of being rated? Please be thorough with your responses.
nsplayr Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Do you want to fly airplanes or not? That's really the only question you have to answer. Consider this a relatively thorough answer. Word to the wise, expect incoming spears... Edited January 20, 2013 by nsplayr
nunya Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Pick a non-rated AFSC. See, easy. If you gotta ask... Edited January 20, 2013 by nunya
Hacker Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Benefit to what? No, there is no practical difference other than what you do for a living.
Jaded Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 A non rated MX officer will get an opportunity to command far before a rated pilot would. Same with many career fields.
17D_guy Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Non-rated get to wear burlap sacks for a uniform. Rated wear pajamas. 1
Spinner Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I used to be a non-rated officer. I went rated for a few reasons: opportunity to do something cool, ignore CGOC, and have a job that couldn't be outsourced to a civilian/contractor.
theat6bisasham Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I used to be a non-rated officer. I went rated for a few reasons: opportunity to do something cool, ignore CGOC, and have a job that couldn't be outsourced to a civilian/contractor. Huh? I'm pretty sure I see blue flightsuiters at the sim building, I saw a 85 year old dude in a tan flightsuit taxi a F-4 down the taxiway last week, and at pensacola some old geezers were flying navigators around teaching them how to chew tobacco and trace charts at the same time. Never think they can't outsource your job to a higher paid civilian....
hispeed7721 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Huh? I'm pretty sure I see blue flightsuiters at the sim building, I saw a 85 year old dude in a tan flightsuit taxi a F-4 down the taxiway last week, and at pensacola some old geezers were flying navigators around teaching them how to chew tobacco and trace charts at the same time. Never think they can't outsource your job to a higher paid civilian.... -they (blue suiters) teach sims so the green suiters can fly -when was the last time anyone needed to qual in an F4? Yeah I'm pretty sure that isn't a concern -at pcola the tan suits don't instruct in any formal sense. They fly the Toner while a green suit instructor sits jump seat and instruct the STUDS I agree that MOST jobs can be outsourced to the civie side, but AD flying is NOT one of them IMO Edited January 20, 2013 by hispeed7721
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I agree that MOST jobs can be outsourced to the civie side, but AD flying is NOT one of them IMO Don't be so sure. I researched this a bit at SOS. There has been a lot of thought about civilianizing a LOT of flying. UPT instruction, mobility, and ISR are all potential targets. Sims are already instructed by civilians, and as already highlighted, there are already civilians flying USAF training jets at P-cola.
SocialD Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I agree that MOST jobs can be outsourced to the civie side, but AD flying is NOT one of them IMO Shooters can't be outsourced but just about anything else can. A guy in our squadron had a gig making 150+ flying a Kingair or Dash-8 around the AOR for a contractor.
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Shooters can't be outsourced but just about anything else can. A guy in our squadron had a gig making 150+ flying a Kingair or Dash-8 around the AOR for a contractor. You're referring to Dynamic Aviation. One of our recently gray beards got a gig flying for them. Aside from the fact that they are civilians there is no difference in what they do vs other ISR assets.
M2 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I agree that MOST jobs can be outsourced to the civie side, but AD flying is NOT one of them IMO As most people whose jobs have been outsourced believed before it happens... Shooters can't be outsourced... Wanna bet? Another bad assumption.
nsplayr Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Aside from the fact that they are civilians there is no difference in what they do vs other ISR assets. Since we're bringing up bad assumptions, you sure about this?
FireMission Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I would like to know the difference between Air Force rated officers vs. their non-rated counterparts. I've heard being rated gives you opportunities for command and such, as opposed to being non-rated. Does being rated unlocks things non-rated officers don't have access to? What are the benefits of being rated? Please be thorough with your responses. To answer the OP question: The opportunities are different. Non-rated will get the opportunity to command as others pointed out sooner in your career. You also have the opportunity to command Mx Groups or Mission Support Groups / Squadrons, or Air Base Wings or other random billets. However, you will not command a flying wing or ops group / squadron unless you are a rated officer. As far as other opportunities -- look at bios of random senior air force leaders and then see how many of them are non-rated. You will notice that the non-rated guys appear to be in the minority. BL: It all depends on what you want to do and why. The more separated you become from the flight line the more separated you are from the USAF's mission..... and the mission is where the opportunities are IMHO.
hispeed7721 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Don't be so sure. I researched this a bit at SOS. There has been a lot of thought about civilianizing a LOT of flying. UPT instruction, mobility, and ISR are all potential targets. Sims are already instructed by civilians, and as already highlighted, there are already civilians flying USAF training jets at P-cola. Totally fair assessment. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to banter back and forth, I just don't think that AD jets will be civilianized...I don't see civie A-10/F-16/etc squadrons or C5/C17/heavy going the way of contractors. Maybe it will, I most certainly don't know. I just don't think mission-centric flying (ie post training) will go that way
Azimuth Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 -they (blue suiters) teach sims so the green suiters can fly -when was the last time anyone needed to qual in an F4? Yeah I'm pretty sure that isn't a concern -at pcola the tan suits don't instruct in any formal sense. They fly the Toner while a green suit instructor sits jump seat and instruct the STUDS I agree that MOST jobs can be outsourced to the civie side, but AD flying is NOT one of them IMO We just had a civilian Test Pilot from Edwards go through our Senior Officer Course. Anything can be outsourced.
Bronco130 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 AMC/ACC will not be outsourced...not because the AF won't do it, but because the civilians won't apply. After reading the fine print: **random 18 hour days, 40 mandatory desk hours per flying hour, with flying on the weekends only (maybe)...** Godspeed contracted flyers. Godspeed.
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 AMC/ACC will not be outsourced...not because the AF won't do it, but because the civilians won't apply. After reading the fine print: **random 18 hour days, 40 mandatory desk hours per flying hour, with flying on the weekends only (maybe)...** Godspeed contracted flyers. Godspeed. You've got it all wrong-- they will hire the civilians to fly so active duty guys can focus all their time on their ground jobs without having to worry about needing to fly!
Wolf424 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Shooters can't be outsourced You're right, I guess this isn't technically outsourcing...
matmacwc Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Do you like calling it a day at 3:30? Yes, I do. -they (blue suiters) teach sims so the green suiters can fly -when was the last time anyone needed to qual in an F4? Yeah I'm pretty sure that isn't a concern -at pcola the tan suits don't instruct in any formal sense. They fly the Toner while a green suit instructor sits jump seat and instruct the STUDS I agree that MOST jobs can be outsourced to the civie side, but AD flying is NOT one of them IMO I personally know somebody getting his qual in the F-4 right now at Tyndall. PS, you need to be title 10 to be a shooter. AD, AGR Reservist or ANG on special orders (not title 32).
LockheedFix Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Yes, I do. I personally know somebody getting his qual in the F-4 right now at Tyndall. PS, you need to be title 10 to be a shooter. AD, AGR Reservist or ANG on special orders (not title 32). Seems to me the CIA does quite a bit of shooting.
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