Retirement / Separation Considerations

[Chida]

Obvious: you could stay DSG for another yr, blow off the AT, then retire. I haven’t done the math on whether or not this would be worth it in the end to delay retired pay by a year. 

[MT near]

Why didn't you just retire when you got 20 TAFMS?

[Pancake]

  On 3/19/2024 at 5:37 AM, MT near said:

Why didn't you just retire when you got 20 TAFMS?

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A number of factors:

- Still had more to give

- COVID just hit and my airline said they were going to be half the size on the other side of the pandemic

- Wanted to keep flying fighters and deploy

- Really love the squadron/wing that I’m in

I transitioned to DSG two years after hitting TAFMS. The leadership bathtub has since caught up and it’s time for me to move on.

[Pancake]

  On 3/18/2024 at 6:30 PM, Chida said:

Obvious: you could stay DSG for another yr, blow off the AT, then retire. I haven’t done the math on whether or not this would be worth it in the end to delay retired pay by a year. 

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Nope. I’m burned out and my family and I are mentally prepared to retire.

In the last 2.5 years, I’ve been OG, CV and completed a SOC. Staying on for “the next job” would require another 2.5 year “commitment” and we’ve built a leadership team that’s primed to lead the wing without the instability of leadership musical chairs every 12-18 months.

Edited March 19, 2024 by Pancake

[SurelySerious]

  On 3/19/2024 at 3:26 PM, Pancake said:

Nope. I’m burned out and my family and I are mentally prepared to retire.
In the last 2.5 years, I’ve been OG, CV and completed a SOC. Staying on for “the next job” would require another 2.5 year “commitment” and we’ve built a leadership team that’s primed to lead the wing without the instability of leadership musical chairs every 12-18 months.

Refreshing to hear someone recognize this with a good plan in place to lead for the future within their organization, rather than stick around past their usefulness just to be in charge.

[ViperMan]

Does anybody know how "reserve" points count towards your retirement if you trip an AD retirement?

Here's the situation, I will be tripping 20 years TAFMS, but will have 6-9 months of reserve time (drills, AFTPs, membership points, etc.). I know I'll qualify for the immediate pay check, but how does that added time - which doesn't "count" toward the 20 - play in? If at all?

[di1630]

  On 3/19/2024 at 6:06 PM, ViperMan said:

Does anybody know how "reserve" points count towards your retirement if you trip an AD retirement?
Here's the situation, I will be tripping 20 years TAFMS, but will have 6-9 months of reserve time (drills, AFTPs, membership points, etc.). I know I'll qualify for the immediate pay check, but how does that added time - which doesn't "count" toward the 20 - play in? If at all?

I don’t think it plays in. Once you hit 20, each day you work adds to your TIS.


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[ViperMan]

  On 3/20/2024 at 5:09 AM, di1630 said:

I don’t think it plays in. Once you hit 20, each day you work adds to your TIS.


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So if I was to retire with 20 years active and 8 months reserve, would my retirement be 20+8 months or just 20 years?

[di1630]

  On 3/20/2024 at 5:41 AM, ViperMan said:

So if I was to retire with 20 years active and 8 months reserve, would my retirement be 20+8 months or just 20 years?

Not an expert but my guess is that it will not add to your 20 but when you hit age 60, it will.




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[BONE WSO]

  On 3/20/2024 at 5:41 AM, ViperMan said:

So if I was to retire with 20 years active and 8 months reserve, would my retirement be 20+8 months or just 20 years?

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Yes it will be added. Lookup 1405 time. It can't help you get to 20 years active but after you make 20 years active, all those reserve days will be added for pay purposes. 

[abmwaldo]

  On 3/20/2024 at 2:46 PM, BONE WSO said:

Yes it will be added. Lookup 1405 time. It can't help you get to 20 years active but after you make 20 years active, all those reserve days will be added for pay purposes. 

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Of note if you're requesting your 1405 from ARPC expect it to take 7-12 months... I'm working a case currently for a guy who submitted the request in August 2023 and still hasn't received it. Wing/CC is in at this point. 

[Chida]

Pancake: I hear you about being set on retirement, so this is for anybody else who might find himself in the same situation.

Several options to keep your TIS ticking in USAFR if your present unit won’t let you “hang out” to get your TIG:

1. transfer to IRR—NNRPS. No guarantee this will work as ARPC seems to be heavily against the concept that IRR is actually a thing. Actually read a AFBCMR case where ARPC shamefully screwed a guy who tried it. Might be worth a try, though, if you’re unwilling to do more duty.

2. funeral honors duty as part of PIRR—I don’t know the mechanism for this.  

3. Emergency Preparedness Liaison Officer. Cat B thru AFNORTH.

4. CAP-RAP Cat E or B

5. Admissions Liaison Officer Cat E

6. Selective Service System Cat B

[mcbush]

  On 3/25/2024 at 2:57 AM, Chida said:

3. Emergency Preparedness Liaison Officer. Cat B thru AFNORTH.

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Anybody know somebody who's done this? Never heard of it before, but from my two minutes of googling, it sounds like it could be either a really good or a really bad deal. Curious to hear experiences if anyone has any.

[Sim]

Decorations question. is there something for 20 years of service other than a retirement pin/flag and certificate? 

[HeloDude]

  On 4/17/2024 at 2:00 AM, Sim said:

Decorations question. is there something for 20 years of service other than a retirement pin/flag and certificate? 

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A nice check that comes every month as long as you have a pulse and don’t commit a felony.  Also Tricare Select at a very reasonable price.  
 

ETA:  I know your question was bout decorations, but as nice as a decoration is, what I wrote above is what I really wanted.

Edited April 17, 2024 by HeloDude

[Sim]

  On 4/17/2024 at 2:58 AM, HeloDude said:

I know your question was bout decorations

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I just want to predict what a shadow box will have. Something that will collect dust for next ~40 years. 

[HeloDude]

  On 4/17/2024 at 3:04 AM, Sim said:

I just want to predict what a shadow box will have. Something that will collect dust for next ~40 years. 

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Another MSM, assuming you’re not an O-6 or above?  Maybe I don’t quite understand your question.  You get the retirement dec, the retirement pin, and the letters/certificates.  And hopefully some type of going away from your organization.