HeyEng Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Back in the days when I used AOL I used to get nonsensical rambling emails like this all the time. Never did figure out what it was about. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The AMC/CC was briefed by the SIB team today. The SIB report should be out sometime next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 AFSAS says done, report not uploaded yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperSicEm Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 My old man was a Tanker pilot and I was born at SAC base. God Bless the crew and their families. NKAWTG...N! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFS 3 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Final message is available on AFSAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 that was a hard read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Damn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Down now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I understand the need for confidentiality, but is there anything that can be released here for those of us without access to the .mil domain and the official report? If not, I’m sure there will be a public release of some sort soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I understand the need for confidentiality, but is there anything that can be released here for those of us without access to the .mil domain and the official report? If not, I’m sure there will be a public release of some sort soon enough. Not for the SIB. And don't expect a public release unless they're running an AIB in parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Down now no, it's still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahWeed Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Not for the SIB. And don't expect a public release unless they're running an AIB in parallel. As an old retired guy now, I obviously don't see these. What's the official criteria for release of an SIB (never really paid attention when I could see them) i.e. who is allowed to read them according to the applicable AFI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The AIB is being convened shortly. Anyone without a Non-Disclosure agreement with a local safety office will have to wait to read what the AIB writes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The AIB is being convened shortly. Anyone without a Non-Disclosure agreement with a local safety office will have to wait to read what the AIB writes. umm, what? Anyone who has received their annual privilege briefing and has a need to know (read: all aircrew definitely have a need to know on this one) can read the SIB final message. Other services will need to go through their Safety Center to request a copy. For the general public, you will need to wait for the AIB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 umm, what? Anyone who has received their annual privilege briefing and has a need to know (read: all aircrew definitely have a need to know on this one) can read the SIB final message. Other services will need to go through their Safety Center to request a copy. For the general public, you will need to wait for the AIB. This concludes your annual privilege training. Please log on a 1522. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 umm, what? Anyone who has received their annual privilege briefing and has a need to know (read: all aircrew definitely have a need to know on this one) can read the SIB final message. Other services will need to go through their Safety Center to request a copy. For the general public, you will need to wait for the AIB. I was responding to the guy that said he was retired. Anyone other than aircrew, I.e sim operators, can read the reports but have to sign an NDA per the 91-204 3.7.2. Also, the report has been withdrawn by afsec. Projected release per amc/se is 22 July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 as I said before, it's still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahWeed Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I was responding to the guy that said he was retired. Anyone other than aircrew, I.e sim operators, can read the reports but have to sign an NDA per the 91-204 3.7.2. So, as a former USAF pilot and someone still flying professionally, do I have the option to contact a local AFB safety office, sign an NDA and get access? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Very tough read, especially when I personally knew all three of them. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 So, as a former USAF pilot and someone still flying professionally, do I have the option to contact a local AFB safety office, sign an NDA and get access? I don't think there is a way to do it. As you are aware, the SIB is for USAF/DOD mishap prevention only. Releasing details that are privileged outside of USAF/DOD channels runs the risk of the USAF losing the ability to grant privilege and these reports becoming nothing more than an AIB and make it more difficult to get cooperation during the investigations. AIBs are for public consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 No way in the world if you are not military. There is no way to punish you if you turn it over to CNN, which is pretty much the assumption any chief of safety would have, you have no reason or right to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Pipes Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 No way in the world if you are not military. There is no way to punish you if you turn it over to CNN, which is pretty much the assumption any chief of safety would have, you have no reason or right to know. Lots of civilian contractors working on and flying our jets... mostly depot level, but those guys definitely want and need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Like I said previously: the 91-204 ch. 3 details contractor/non-rated personnel access to privilege. If you have a legitimate need to know, i.e. sim instructors or depot maintenance, the local safety office can give you an NDA...but that is their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Down now If you have access to AFSAS, it shows withdrawn, but the report is still there. Very eye opening, and tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 wow that was rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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