FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[chizz]

Reminds me of a fighter Sq/cc who cancelled lines so his guys could to finance between 9-11&1-3 with their 2 hr lunch break. At the EOM the Wg/cc asked why he only flew 50% of his flying hrs. Needless to say, finance started working longer hrs. But the days of that happening are over, more like ops bends over for all the other agencies. God forbid the MSG would....SUPPORT the mission.

"You never have too much gas...unless you're on fire"

[chaps_k]

Officer VSP Approved:

Significant other got VSP approval on Friday. Captain, non-pilot; here are the specs:

63A, 2008 year group

No ADSCs

6 years, 3 months at DOS

Let the party begin and good luck to everybody! This forum has been an AMAZING source for info and I cannot thank you all enough!

[Pilot Mom]

Back to TERA...I submitted back in January. I have no ADSCs (11M) and I'm on the summer VML. I thought they were holding my assignment until my TERA decision was made, but I was notified of my assignment today. So now I have 7 days to decide on my assignment. It would be nice if I could talk to a REAL person about my options WRT taking the assignment and how that impacts TERA. Oh and that comes with a 15 June RNLTD.

[Azimuth]

get paid less than your boom operator that makes you coffee and brings you your box lunch if you are nice enough to them?

Maybe in the soon to be extinct Big Sexy world...

[LettersVSandP]

Back to TERA...I submitted back in January. I have no ADSCs (11M) and I'm on the summer VML. I thought they were holding my assignment until my TERA decision was made, but I was notified of my assignment today. So now I have 7 days to decide on my assignment. It would be nice if I could talk to a REAL person about my options WRT taking the assignment and how that impacts TERA. Oh and that comes with a 15 June RNLTD.

If I were you, I'd go to your local FSS and ask the highest ranking person available to call AFPC with you. I'd also adopt the mindset that I wouldn't leave their building until I had an answer of some kind. Your CC also ought to be involved.

That being said, I don't think you have an issue. If you take a look at the ADSC AFI, I think you'll find that you have 7 days to accept the assignment. You have to sign an acknowledgement of the ADSC you'll be incurring, but you don't have an ADSC at that point. You would acquire the ADSC when you actually PCS. Therefore, if you get accepted for TERA, your assignment is cancelled and you're never assigned a PCS ADSC. Presumably, there's language in the TERA PSDM that assignments are cancelled when TERA is approved. Hope that helps and good luck.

[Catbox]

Back to TERA...I submitted back in January. I have no ADSCs (11M) and I'm on the summer VML. I thought they were holding my assignment until my TERA decision was made, but I was notified of my assignment today. So now I have 7 days to decide on my assignment. It would be nice if I could talk to a REAL person about my options WRT taking the assignment and how that impacts TERA. Oh and that comes with a 15 June RNLTD.

Are you continued or a LtCol? What it looks like is the Air Force is cleaning house on the continued Majors but haven't approved any under 19 year LtCols yet (a big yet!)

[panchbarnes]

From the Retirement FB Page:

After a 20 minute hold, I spoke with a TFSC customer service representative. She was very polite and frustrated with the leadership as well. She explained a few things which helped clear up some questions I had. First, even though my career field went red they still may approve me. The team processing the applications had a strategy to get the job done but has had leadership change the criteria for approval daily. This explains why there is such a random spectrum of approval across different afsc's, application dates, adsc's and other eligibility criteria. Every time they try to get through a batch a new directive comes down requiring them to apply different approaches to approval. She also stated that the numbers reflected on the new matrix accounts for a lot of people approved but that have not been notified. Additionally she said the orders and operation just kidding was a mass notification error. When they put in the orders and system changes for those who were approved, the orders and system update applied incorrect values to their records. The only way to fix it was to cancel them all then redo them individually. In an effort to save time and process a large group at a time they created more work for themselves. She stated that anyone previously approved is approved and their number one priority is to fix those first before moving forward. Which means this will only add to our wait time for some answers. Take it for what its worth , she could be blowing smoke but I am still hopeful but still extremely frustrated and disappointed that they have done this to us. They have lost my trust entirely.

9 minutes ago

Edited: Removed names...

Edited April 7, 2014 by PanchBarnes

[tunes]

i hope thats true and people don't have their TERA taken back

[Altus Barbarosa]

Don't hold your breath.

There are two, separate, issues that developed this weekend.

A ton of officers had their retirement dates nullified after having been approved. These are the people from panch Barnes post. We are still approved and have been told our dates will be reloaded into the system ASAP.

The other, different, issue is the folks who actually received a message from mypers saying Oops we fd up. Sorry you ain't eligible any more. Psych! These folks will remain screwed and have lost their TERA period.

These two issues are being mashed together in discussions with TFSC unfortunately and making it even harder to decipher what the duck is actually happening and to whom.

Oh and Panch, can you edit your post to remove those folks real names from there. I know you don't mean anything by it but they may not want uncontrolled exposure.

[Rusty Pipes]

Back to TERA...I submitted back in January. I have no ADSCs (11M) and I'm on the summer VML. I thought they were holding my assignment until my TERA decision was made, but I was notified of my assignment today. So now I have 7 days to decide on my assignment. It would be nice if I could talk to a REAL person about my options WRT taking the assignment and how that impacts TERA. Oh and that comes with a 15 June RNLTD.

There was some wording in the original messages (that have been changed a million times since then) saying they would delay RNLTDs for folks getting assignments if they had a TERA/VSP app in, but I'm not sure what they are currently saying about it. I would definitely have the boss call and ask very specifically if accepting the assignment pulled your TERA package out of the pile. I think you should be good, but the way this whole mess has played out you never know.

BTW... welcome to BO.net! Sorry your first post has to be for such a shitty reason...

[TrunkMonkey]

from the Facebook site (I know the dude, legit guy):

"99/O-5/11X/No ADSC. I inquired about my status last friday and got this from the OIC of retirements this morning. "Apologies for the delay. AFPC is working with the pentagon with adjudicating the rated officer TERA applications. We will be finalizing them in the next couple days and will be sending you the decision soonest (approval or disapproval). I appreciate your patience and more to come."

If this is true then we will probably have the rest of the TERA pilot notifications within 7 days or so (for those not already approved/denied or bouncing back and forth between the two...)

So now I have 7 days to decide on my assignment.

Same thing happened to me on 17 Mar (99/O-5/11M/1yr ADSC left for GI bill transfer) ... and I simply did not sign anything. I do not want to 7-day opt out if my TERA gets denied so I figured they would just give me the assignment whether I signed the RIP or not. Low and behold, my outprocessing checklist is already loaded in vMPF and I've received an email welcoming me to my new base...and my RNLTD is 31 Jan 15. I did not want anything in the system that even looked like an ADSC so I told the boss I was not going to sign my RIP and his response was "that's fine, just don't try and 7-day opt a month from now"

This might not help your situation but it is an example of how messed up this whole TERA/VSP program has made the entire personnel system.

Edited April 7, 2014 by TrunkMonkey

[lossofclocklossofdata]

Another day gone by with no sign of rescue from this desert island.

[Herk Driver]

Same thing happened to me on 17 Mar (99/O-5/11M/1yr ADSC left for GI bill transfer) ... and I simply did not sign anything. I do not want to 7-day opt out if my TERA gets denied so I figured they would just give me the assignment whether I signed the RIP or not. Low and behold, my outprocessing checklist is already loaded in vMPF and I've received an email welcoming me to my new base...and my RNLTD is 31 Jan 15. I did not want anything in the system that even looked like an ADSC so I told the boss I was not going to sign my RIP and his response was "that's fine, just don't try and 7-day opt a month from now"

You probably want to talk with someone at assignments and let them know your situation. You don't have to sign anything, but if you receive an assignment notification and do nothing...in 7 days you own the assignment. Just saying that you probably want to address this with the powers that be at TFSC and get it on record that you have an app in the system and if approved, you intend to get out.

[32off]

Maiden post...it has been a pleasure reading everyone's posts. I have to admit, there is some extremely comical verbiage, albeit this is not a laughing matter. I am a 2003 11M. I am inebriated that it is now 7 April and word of this entire S#@*show started back in early December. I can tell you all this, if there is not some answers by the end of this week, I am going to fully expose AFPC and their chain of incompetence to some of the major news organizations. BLUF, this entire cluster has been a colossal waste of our time and resources. This type of vacillation and obduracy would NEVER be tolerated in the operations world, yet A1 and the "yes men" get a hall pass consistently. I can't even plan family/life events past July because of these incompetent "leaders", who probably all went to IDE/SDE somewhere. It's good to see the ROI of the taxpayer dollars being utilized so well. Best of luck to all of you out there.

[chim richalds]

I feel your pain, but what are you going to say to the press? The air force won't give me my severance pay for breaking my contract, or they won't give me my pension for life for serving 15-19 years? I'm not defending these clowns at all, I just think we get a little too emotional with all of this. Things are moving in the right direction, just at a pace that make glaciers look fast.

[Mountain]

Maiden post...it has been a pleasure reading everyone's posts. I have to admit, there is some extremely comical verbiage, albeit this is not a laughing matter. I am a 2003 11M. I am inebriated that it is now 7 April and word of this entire S#@*show started back in early December. I can tell you all this, if there is not some answers by the end of this week, I am going to fully expose AFPC and their chain of incompetence to some of the major news organizations. BLUF, this entire cluster has been a colossal waste of our time and resources. This type of vacillation and obduracy would NEVER be tolerated in the operations world, yet A1 and the "yes men" get a hall pass consistently. I can't even plan family/life events past July because of these incompetent "leaders", who probably all went to IDE/SDE somewhere. It's good to see the ROI of the taxpayer dollars being utilized so well. Best of luck to all of you out there.

I don't know what obduracy is, but I don't like it!

[32off]

I feel your pain, but what are you going to say to the press? The air force won't give me my severance pay for breaking my contract, or they won't give me my pension for life for serving 15-19 years? I'm not defending these clowns at all, I just think we get a little too emotional with all of this. Things are moving in the right direction, just at a pace that make glaciers look fast.

Well, there is certainly plenty of PSDM buffoonery to make a valid case. But you are right, emotions are running high. How can an organization that prides itself on "excellence in all we do" cause so much confusion and disorder over such an expansive amount of time? I mean really? And when is someone going to accept responsibility for this glacier race? Love the profile picture, BTW.

[chizz]

Why in gods name are they dropping assignments for a RNLTD in ...Jan 15???? Unless you have 4-5month training somewhere. Are they playing poker with our lives? Wait, don't answer that, we already know the answer.

"You never have too much gas...unless you're on fire"

[C-21.Pilot]

White House petetion:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140407/CAREERS/304070050/Early-retirement-revoked-some-airmen-leads-White-House-petition

[Guest]

White House petetion:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140407/CAREERS/304070050/Early-retirement-revoked-some-airmen-leads-White-House-petition

I can't find the petition on the White House petition site. Was it removed? Link?

Edit: nevermind. Petitions need 150 signatures before they are searchable. Until then, you need a direct link to the petition.

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Edited April 8, 2014 by deaddebate

[C-21.Pilot]

I don't think this will make it that far, but the CSAF is engaged now....

[SuperWSO]

I don't think this will make it that far, but the CSAF is engaged now....

Source? What are you basing your claim on?

[Rusty Pipes]

Source? What are you basing your claim on?

Heard at Nellis yesterday CSAF said they were contacting those who were told they were approved and then got the "just kidding" e-mail and were going to honor the first approval notification. I wasn't there so it is just second hand, but I can't imagine the Boss ever letting these "take backs" fly. I don't imaging it was too many that this happened to... not sure if there is anything going on with those who had a retirement date that has since disappeared, but also heard this was just a computer problem. Good luck to all of you still in limbo... I know this must really suck!

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Called the TFSC today and they said 300 got the glitch email. They're working to fix those now and then will get back to the rest of the TERA apps. Good news for those that got the take-back email, but another delay for those still waiting on an answer.

[tunes]

so when are they going to start processing VSP apps....