FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[MooseDriver1]

Just got officially notified of my 365. It's hard to tell from PDSM (I know, big surprise), but when, not if, I 3-day opt, does that automatically make me ineligible for VSP?

How convenient that it hasn't been processed yet even though I submitted 6 Feb and has been there since 21 Feb

[chaps_k]

so when are they going to start processing VSP apps....

They have already started it up little by little. We got word on Friday. Hope it helps... I'm keeping my fingers crossed for everyone who wants out!

Officer VSP Approved:

Significant other got VSP approval on Friday. Captain, non-pilot; here are the specs:

63A, 2008 year group

No ADSCs

6 years, 3 months at DOS

Let the party begin and good luck to everybody! This forum has been an AMAZING source for info and I cannot thank you all enough!

[tunes]

They have already started it up little by little. We got word on Friday. Hope it helps... I'm keeping my fingers crossed for everyone who wants out!

yeah, sorry i was referring to rated VSP. I've only heard of 1 approval so far.

[MooseAg03]

Just got officially notified of my 365. It's hard to tell from PDSM (I know, big surprise), but when, not if, I 3-day opt, does that automatically make me ineligible for VSP?

How convenient that it hasn't been processed yet even though I submitted 6 Feb and has been there since 21 Feb

For the rest of us out there, what is your Short Tour Return Date? That way we can estimate how vulnerable the rest of us are.

[Guest]

MOAA and NAUS are testifying at a House Armed Services Committee hearing tomorrow (Beneficiary and Advocacy Overview of the FY15 President’s Budget).

https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings-display?ContentRecord_id=B4939547-34E4-442E-A728-E303A9E11E88

https://www.naus.org

https://www.moaa.org

Senate Armed Service Committee has a hearing tomorrow on the "Posture of the Department of the Air Force."

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/14-04-10-posture-of-the-department-of-the-air-force

I don't expect it to be much different than the House hearing:

https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings-display?ContentRecord_id=1E8FFACF-87D1-4C7A-87F7-7C095442BFF6

Lastly, tomorrow is another SASC hearing on "Active, Guard, Reserve, and Civilian Personnel Programs."

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/14-04-09-active-guard-reserve-and-civilian-personnel-programs

As the HASC hearing with these generals was the one that somewhat falsely kicked up dust about "sacrificing pay," this one might also be interesting.

https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings-display?ContentRecord_id=E8B153CF-B432-46DD-B185-CB41851ABA14

We're approaching the committee timeline for budget submittal, which is slated for full markup in May, and then presentation to the full congress. Ideally, a full federal budget would be completed in August, but the historical continuing resolutions and other half-steps may position the DOD to get its' own independent budget. That would be nice, but I wouldn't count on it. My guess is by early June, the committees will be decided enough to give the Air Force (and the rest of the DOD) realistic and semi-concrete information for them to make the final decisions on personnel, acquisitions, and installations for FY15.

A final budget probably won't actually pass and be signed until around late September or mid-October. Apart from total morons like Sen. Cruz, the Republicans are too worried about looking like the jerks and antagonists to risk another government shutdown, so we won't go beyond October. Again, the Republicans really want to play their cards right this time around as they are positioned to take back the Senate in 2016. Also, they need to start getting serious about their Presidential Candidates, especially since the Democrats may already have that lead with Hillary Clinton.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/fivethirtyeight-senate-forecast

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Edit: I realize this could go in the sequestration and cuts thread, but it highlights that the Air Force won't know what direction it's going for several more months.

Edited April 8, 2014 by deaddebate

[chaps_k]

yeah, sorry i was referring to rated VSP. I've only heard of 1 approval so far.

Gotcha. Best of luck! Hope it works out for you... this has been a serious mess.

[ThreeHoler]

To date, 2,712 enlisted voluntary applications and 310 officer voluntary applications for TERA have been approved and 2,471 enlisted VSP applications and 167 officer VSP applications have also been approved.

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/478258/april-8-pulse-on-af-force-management.aspx

[Nasty2004]

I'm 2008 65F (Finance) just got disapproval because my AFSC and Yr Group had too many applications.

I'll be f**cking up your pay and providing terrible customer service for the foreseeable future.

My year group and AFSC originally was letting 8/32 people out, they switched it to 5 after they received all the applications. That's like telling Wisconsin they can't play white players or shoot 3s after tip-off.

Thanks for all the info. Deuces

It's good to hear that you won't let this setback keep you from providing the level of support we've come to expect from finance.

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[jates]

VSP denied

64P '07

GI Bill ADSC

Didn't get email notification, just checking CSM a few times a day and this afternoon it showed "no open cases". Follow-up on Voluntary Sep part of vMPF had comments at the bottom from a TSgt, stating my career field and year group had as many as they need, that now I'm no longer eligible... no further rationale. Well worth 2 months of waiting and checking status like a fool, not to mention providing solid intel that will help leadership identify me for lots of solid activities going forward.

Coincidentally got tasked for a 6 mo Afghan treat last week also, so at least there's that to look forward to!

This was fun, thanks AFPC.

[Techsan]

For the rest of us out there, what is your Short Tour Return Date? That way we can estimate how vulnerable the rest of us are.

We had a few guys with pre notifications...I think STRD was in the ballpark of Sep 2000.

[MooseDriver1]

Oct 2000 STRD. Tasker required O-4 with Evaluator experience

[MostlyDeployed]

Hearing from the non-rated helps put things in perspective. Sucks to be them.

-'06 11M "referred to bpo" since 19 Feb

[17D_guy]

We had 7 guys put in for TERA/VSP. All 7 denied due to requirements already filled and closing the AFSCs.

[Dreamkiller43]

We had 7 guys put in for TERA/VSP. All 7 denied due to requirements already filled and closing the AFSCs.

Which AFSCs?

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[discus]

Which AFSCs?

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Just a guess...17D? Call me crazy.

[lloydbraun]

Just got officially notified of my 365. It's hard to tell from PDSM (I know, big surprise), but when, not if, I 3-day opt, does that automatically make me ineligible for VSP?

How convenient that it hasn't been processed yet even though I submitted 6 Feb and has been there since 21 Feb

I'd consider rolling the dice depending on when the training and in-place date are for this deployment. That's putting a lot of hope that your VSP app will be approved; If not, you're deploying. If you 3-day opt, you set a separation date and I think become ineligible for VSP, except that you applied for VSP before notification and subsequent 3-day opt'ing for this deployment.

I wouldn't put it past some head AFPC chode to throw out 365's to nullify VSP apps. Why the are we even tasking 365's anymore, Do we really need that kind of continuity, or is this just more support staff to justify command billets?

[Dupe]

I wouldn't put it past some fuckhead AFPC chode to throw out 365's to nullify VSP apps.

This would imply that the AFPC AEF branch communicates and coordinates with the separations or assignment branches. Instead, AFPC is more like a coral reef or a school of fish.

I once got a VML notification and a 179 deployment notification in the same week.

On the positive side (and this should scare the AF), I don't think there will be a RIF.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Dupe

[FUSEPLUG]

From CSAF posted on FB and reported by JQP.

Same old song and dance. The time for communication and openness has long since passed. Just deny my flipping VSP app already so I can Palace Chase.

[jstarsshag]

From the CSAF " ...I promised you that we will be transparent gang..."

WHEN Exactly will this transparency begin?? I turned in TERA back in Jan and I have received 0 info about my future from ANY official channel thus far...

[HeloDude]

From the CSAF " ...I promised you that we will be transparent gang..."

WHEN Exactly will this transparency begin?? I turned in TERA back in Jan and I have received 0 info about my future from ANY official channel thus far...

Transparency, you know...just like the President promised us. Wait...is it not happening?

[17D_guy]

Which AFSCs?

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Sorry, 3D's enlisted AFSC's. I know this board is mostly O's but it's hitting the E's particularly hard as well.

[Karl Hungus]

Same old song and dance. The time for communication and openness has long since passed.

Still waiting on that "vector" from January 2013. Transparency in the force management process, written guidance eliminating the obvious bullshit (masters, correspondence PME), etc... CSAF will get to that one day. Maybe.

[Charlie17Chick]

Approval at my deployed unit:

13B

2007

1 year left on ADSC

Sq/CC and Wg/CC both recommended dissapproval (due to flood of 13B's applying), so CC recommendation may not be that highly weighted

I'm still waiting:

Referred to BPO 7 Feb 14

11M (C-17)

2005

ADSC: 26 Jun 17 (<3 yrs from Sep date request)

Checked my CMS active cases today and received "An error has occured" message instead of my case #....hopefully that means they are processing it in some way.

[MooseDriver1]

I'd consider rolling the dice depending on when the training and in-place date are for this deployment. That's putting a lot of hope that your VSP app will be approved; If not, you're deploying. If you 3-day opt, you set a separation date and I think become ineligible for VSP, except that you applied for VSP before notification and subsequent 3-day opt'ing for this deployment.

I wouldn't put it past some ######head AFPC chode to throw out 365's to nullify VSP apps. Why the ###### are we even tasking 365's anymore, Do we really need that kind of continuity, or is this just more support staff to justify command billets?

Absolutely no chance that I would roll those dice! Training date at the end of the month, so I think this one has been turned down a number of times already... Sorry to the next person down the list, hope they don't have an ADSC that prevents them from declining.

My Sq/CC and another one both called different functionals at AFPC who didn't know whether 3-day opting would cause a member to be VSP ineligible. I wish I could say I was surprised.

[Dubs]

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/478258/april-8-pulse-on-af-force-management.aspx

2,471 enlisted VSP applications and 167 officer VSP applications have also been approved.

Jesus...