Pirot Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Anyone know the date that PSDM 13-130 was rescinded? I ask because in that original PSDM where it talked about separations whether voluntary or involuntary, it said that the GI Bill transfer ADSC and the education assistance funds ADSC would be considered fullfilled if approved for separation (attachment 1 paragraphs 11 and 12 I think). Now we've got a new ADSC waivers table that is saying that if you haven't fulfilled the GI Bill transfer ADSC, you can't transfer it anymore (Note 3). It also says it'll recoup tuition assistance, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the transfer benefit which could be worth more than the VSP payout. For example if junior goes to school in NYC, the housing alone would get you close to $150K with today's numbers.
MooseAg03 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Anyone know the date that PSDM 13-130 was rescinded? I ask because in that original PSDM where it talked about separations whether voluntary or involuntary, it said that the GI Bill transfer ADSC and the education assistance funds ADSC would be considered fullfilled if approved for separation (attachment 1 paragraphs 11 and 12 I think). Now we've got a new ADSC waivers table that is saying that if you haven't fulfilled the GI Bill transfer ADSC, you can't transfer it anymore (Note 3). It also says it'll recoup tuition assistance, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the transfer benefit which could be worth more than the VSP payout. For example if junior goes to school in NYC, the housing alone would get you close to $150K with today's numbers. I would be worried about that too, except for the last sentence on Note 3 "This note does not apply to officers approved for VSP or TERA." That tells me VSP/TERA still keep their benefits. It looks like to me they are referring to the LADSC Waiver program. I think PSDM 13-130 was rescinded on 14 Feb, because I submitted my VSP app on 13 Feb and was pissed when the rules and timeline changed the next day.
Sierra Hotel Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) ALCON, Just had a VSP status change to "referred to AFPC off voluntary separation pay" Anyone know what that means? 2005 11M (Curently T-6 IP) Both Sq/Wg CC's approved Edited April 10, 2014 by Sierra Hotel
MostlyDeployed Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) ALCON, Just had a VSP status change to "referred to AFPC off voluntary separation pay" Anyone know what that means? 2005 11M (Curently T-6 IP) Both Sq/Wg CC's approved Was it BPO before? No idea. Congrats? Edited April 10, 2014 by MostlyDeployed
Sierra Hotel Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Yes... I was part of the group that was denied and told to reapply. Since I reapplied, it has been with BPO until 6 to 9 minutes ago when it changed to the current status. It would be nice if they listed the steps somewhere...
tunes Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Yes... I was part of the group that was denied and told to reapply. Since I reapplied, it has been with BPO until 6 to 9 minutes ago when it changed to the current status. It would be nice if they listed the steps somewhere... are you looking in CMS or vMPF?
Sierra Hotel Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) are you looking in CMS or vMPF? CMS (through vMPF) Edited April 10, 2014 by Sierra Hotel
tunes Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 CMS (through vMPF) CMS (through vMPF) I think they are the same. It will say something like "referred to af vsp office" or something like that in cms, but when you click view my application under voluntary separation it will say "referred to bpo"....others can chime in here, but that has been what people are reporting so far during this debacle.
Checks Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I think they are the same. It will say something like "referred to af vsp office" or something like that in cms, but when you click view my application under voluntary separation it will say "referred to bpo"....others can chime in here, but that has been what people are reporting so far during this debacle. Yea, that's correct, it just means your base sent it to AFPC and now they'll sit on it. Good luck! Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
matmacwc Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 So check this out, only way to successfully 3-day is apply for separation and have an approval number and date established when you turn in the denial paperwork. Just so happens that this is the same app in vMPF where you apply for VSP and we've all highlighted that you can only apply for one program at a time. My CC called Chief of Separations Branch today who didn't know the answer and said he would get back to him, which of course he did not. I know somewhere in this process over the next two days someone at AFPC or in an MPF-type career field will tell me that I have to pull my VSP app to apply for Separation in Lieu of and I will "kindly" tell them how completely unacceptable that is. Yes, I had a somewhat similar situation. You can pull the VSP app to 3 day opt, or take the chance. Mine was a 7 day opt, which I did with MPF but they never told me to do it in vMPF, VSP comes out 3 months later and I apply for that (trying to get earlier). My email in-container start lighting up with "Welcome to base X" and I lose my mind. I call the MPF and ask what the F? They admit to screwing up and tell me I can pull my VSP app to 7 day opt, or, get this, let it ride and if I get denied 7 day opt then. Would have been like a 4 month opt. I'm glad the MPF had a visitor log and I had kept my emails as proof I was trying to do the right thing with the 7 day opt.
Mish_Hacker Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Another VSP approval today: Via FB, 2002 11B Unknown ADSC Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lumbergh Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Yea, that's correct, it just means your base sent it to AFPC and now they'll sit on it. Good luck! Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! That's definitely true. Mine has been at "Referred to AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay" for about 5 weeks now. I know some have said there's have been waiting for closer to 2 months. From everything I understand this is the final step before approval/disapproval, but expect to wait some more. So much for processing in "monthly batches"
BRC17 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 VSP approved today. 2002 11M No ADSC Submitted 9 Feb 3
lossofclocklossofdata Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I think PSDM 13-130 was rescinded on 14 Feb, because I submitted my VSP app on 13 Feb and was pissed when the rules and timeline changed the next day. I think I'm going to save and print my myPers incident from a Feb phone call that says "PSDM 14-08 does not apply to you if you are eligible for the RIF. VSP provisions in 13-130 apply to RIF eligible officers." Those are the provision I thought I was applying under, which did not refer to 13-65 for ADSC waivers or recoupment of money for ADSCs. If this was a courtroom, they'd be fooked.
HeloDude Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 VSP approved today. 2002 11M No ADSC Submitted 9 Feb Congrats, man! Safe to assume you would have punched soon anyway? Or did it take the VSP money to solidify the decision?
Lumbergh Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 VSP approved today. 2002 11M No ADSC Submitted 9 Feb Just curious...did you initially submit the application 9 Feb or did it get the "Referred to BPO" (or "Referred to AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay") on 9 Feb? I'm trying to get a sense if the time stamp for either of the events has any effect on how fast your application gets processed. My guess is your No ADSC probably played the biggest role since you didn't have to wait for waiver table that came out last week. Congrats.
Shut up 'n color Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 If the VSP is a manning/budget planning tool. Why do people get approved and paid to leave who have no ADSC? Wouldn't it be cheaper and smarter for the AF to deny a persons VSP who has no commitment since they are most likely getting out anyway? I can't keep up withy he endless changes AFPC makes, but I thought the whole point was to cut ties with those who are under a commitment.
MooseDriver1 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Yes, I had a somewhat similar situation. You can pull the VSP app to 3 day opt, or take the chance. Mine was a 7 day opt, which I did with MPF but they never told me to do it in vMPF, VSP comes out 3 months later and I apply for that (trying to get earlier). My email in-container start lighting up with "Welcome to base X" and I lose my mind. I call the MPF and ask what the F? They admit to screwing up and tell me I can pull my VSP app to 7 day opt, or, get this, let it ride and if I get denied 7 day opt then. Would have been like a 4 month opt. I'm glad the MPF had a visitor log and I had kept my emails as proof I was trying to do the right thing with the 7 day opt. Just received verification from AFPC. I already have a separation app in system, so no new CMS case required. If I do not get selected for VSP, I will default to DOS criteria established in AFI. ** All apps that required waiver are being held until application window closes on 1 May. They will then be batch processed. ** - directly from AFPC Separations Branch Chief So, if you have an ADSC that originally excluded you, you can stop checking CMS 10 times a day and just continue to wait..... Sorry it's not "you're getting approved tomorrow" news, but at least it's something official. From AFPC's standpoint, this allows them to get through all those with no ADSC remaining and then determine if they need to approve any with waivers. The they will approve the people in each yr group with the least amount....
pb1 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 VSP approved today; 12M; ADSC ends tomorrow, C-130 Nav
Herk Driver Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 If the VSP is a manning/budget planning tool. Why do people get approved and paid to leave who have no ADSC? Wouldn't it be cheaper and smarter for the AF to deny a persons VSP who has no commitment since they are most likely getting out anyway? I can't keep up withy he endless changes AFPC makes, but I thought the whole point was to cut ties with those who are under a commitment. This is purely a numbers game. The point is to cut ties with a certain number of people...ADSC or no ADSC. However, it makes no sense from a planning perspective to only let out those with an ADSC. That leaves you with a bunch of free agents and no idea of their future plans. 1
CosmoPilot Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Wish AFPC would release the new PSDM about the next round of TERA. Anyone have any gouge/specific info about this? Been hearing 15 Apr, but I haven't read anything to support that theory. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
GMaster13 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 VSP approval email received from AFPC! 2002 11M No ADSC Applied 6 Feb. Best of luck to everyone! Just curious...did you initially submit the application 9 Feb or did it get the "Referred to BPO" (or "Referred to AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay") on 9 Feb? I'm trying to get a sense if the time stamp for either of the events has any effect on how fast your application gets processed. My guess is your No ADSC probably played the biggest role since you didn't have to wait for waiver table that came out last week. Congrats. Mine was sitting at Referred to AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay in CMS since 20 Feb.
lossofclocklossofdata Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) [quote name="MooseDriver1" post="377343" ** All apps that required waiver are being held until application window closes on 1 May. They will then be batch processed. ** - directly from AFPC Separations Branch Chief So, if you have an ADSC that originally excluded you, you can stop checking CMS 10 times a day and just continue to wait..... Sorry it's not "you're getting approved tomorrow" news, but at least it's something official. From AFPC's standpoint, this allows them to get through all those with no ADSC remaining and then determine if they need to approve any with waivers. The they will approve the people in each yr group with the least amount.... Edited April 10, 2014 by lossofclocklossofdata
jstarsshag Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Wish AFPC would release the new PSDM about the next round of TERA. Anyone have any gouge/specific info about this? Been hearing 15 Apr, but I haven't read anything to support that theory. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! I wish AFPC would release information about the current round of TERA! I called AFPC yesterday and they don't have any idea when they will get any additional info... I almost felt bad for the lady I talked to, she sounded as defeated as I did...
chim richalds Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I'm not advocating firing anyone, most people have never had to fire anyone and don't realize how hard it is, but there needs to be a serious inquest into how afpc runs. Archaic websites, no customer service, terms and conditions pdsms that are convoluted, and the general disarray they appear to be in. Something tells me nobody will really care though unless it involves sexual assault or bathroom rights for trannies. 3
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