tunes Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 What reg is that written in? It goes against everything we've been told since December. It's something I need to see to believe. Not saying I'm doubting you, just verifying. Its also in the q&a dated 6 may. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
sky_king Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 how long does it take afpc to cut orders? In my experience, about 3 days after the 7th time you've called to complain. 4
nsplayr Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) I used ptdy for my last interview. Don't know about the current guidance being in a reg but it was in a psdm that you didn't get it and then they sent out a clarification memo via email a couple weeks saying you do. If you PM me your work email I will try and hunt down the guidance and shoot it to you. If you are Oconus you get 30! "You never have too much gas...unless you're on fire" Yea, thanks man but no need...the interview is in the past and I took leave to attend so no biggie. Pay it forward to the next dude. No, you are definitely eligible for the 20 days PTDY with a regular separation. Remember the fine print as mentioned above, and the same goes for terminal leave, that it's CC discretion. You CAN take your PTDY back-to-back with your terminal leave (if approved). As long as your CC is going to give you the full 20 days, just back up your final out date to DOS - terminal leave (you also accrue leave while you are on leave, so factor that in, too) - PTDY = Final Out. Humm...doesn't seem like that's the case from the reg (36-3003): "12.8. PTDY Not Authorized. Unit commander cannot authorize PTDY if a member requests PTDY to (this list is not all-inclusive): 12.8.1. Search for a house or search for a job when the separation program designator (SPD) code renders member ineligible for full benefits and services under AFI 36-3009, Airman and Family Readiness Centers, (for example, a member voluntarily separating for miscellaneous reasons or on completion of required active service)." I'm guessing I'd fall under the "completion of required active service" SPD code since I'm just regular-guy leaving when my commitment is up. Has anyone had luck getting that PTDY approved in that same situation (i.e. not PC or VSP?). I'd love to either just have 20 more days of freedom or to keep my DOS the same and profit from selling 20 days of leave rather than taking them as terminal if it's all kosher. Edited May 10, 2014 by nsplayr
stract Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) nsplayr, yes, that was my situ. Finished my ADSC and punched a few months after. I got PTDY, but I took some of it before my final out. who knows if it was right or not, but when scheduling my final out date finance even asked if I was taking any PTDY in conjunction with terminal. BTW, can't find any references in the A&FRC reg (36-3009) about how separatees are coded. But the AFI was more recently revised, so the leave guidance could be outdated... Edited May 10, 2014 by stract
chizz Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 PM me, I'll shoot u the email and fwd it to the ISR or commander. What's the worse they can say, no? "You never have too much gas...unless you're on fire"
Mish_Hacker Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 The tenth day since the VSP window closed has ended, predictably, without any more VSP approvals....
Dustin Dollaz Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Hey guys, I'm currently isolated from society in SWA and my community (which is disolving in FY15) just got hit with a short notice suspense for RFF packages. This also comes on the heels of a request for ADPs. Do they really need this stuff or are they trying to get me to throw down my cards?
MooseAg03 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Hey guys, I'm currently isolated from society in SWA and my community (which is disolving in FY15) just got hit with a short notice suspense for RFF packages. This also comes on the heels of a request for ADPs. Do they really need this stuff or are they trying to get me to throw down my cards? I'm guessing 11R? If you've been following the force shaping fiasco since it started in Dec of '13, the RRF requirement shouldn't surprise you. Everyone who is in an overage AFSC and year group meeting the RIF board will have to do one. There are a lot of us on this board who showed our cards back in February expecting a quick answer to VSP (applications "processed in batches approximately every 30 days") before the RIF which was swiftly postponed until Oct. To answer your question, yes they really need the stuff. New VSP window opens 22 May, check out the FY15 RIF PSDM on myPers.
deaddebate Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Also, according to a c17 guy who is outprocessing under vsp, he can only take 60 days of terminal, so he's burning through some leave now instead of being able to take it in one big chunk.Also, if you have 70 days of leave then thats when you start your terminal, how can they tell you you cant take it all at once?? Makes no sense.I've been seeing this as a unit policy, not a standard from any personnelist. It generally looks like (NC)OIC's are trying to manage their manpower with the mission and prevent people from leaving within 30 days of notification. Can anybody verify that all leave, including terminal, needs Commander approval?
trav8933 Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Has anyone written their congressman about the delay of these applications? I heard from a co-worker that she got a quick response (after a pro-longed no response) to withdraw her TERA application after contacting her congressman. Might be a fast track to disapproval, who knows. '04 11M
nsplayr Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Can anybody verify that all leave, including terminal, needs Commander approval? AFI 36-3003 section 6.7.1 "Terminal leave approval. Unit commanders approve terminal leave."
Herk Driver Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Can anybody verify that all leave, including terminal, needs Commander approval? Nsplayr already got the terminal part...ordinary leave can be approved by supervisors. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
tunes Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 And another deadline comes and goes Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
Fozzy Bear Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Is there any news or ideas as to a real timeline from the AF leadership, regarding approvals/denials? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
Lumbergh Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) And another deadline comes and goes Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Was there a deadline that was supposed to happen today? I had heard "mid May" or May 15th as one. I fully expect to be disappointed in 3 more days. I just want to make sure there's not a reason to be disappointed now. You have to spread it out a little bit. Edited May 12, 2014 by Lumbergh
Checks Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Yea, I called TFSC again today and the theme I keep hearing is "mid-May." I also went through the PSDM trying to find a deadline, but couldn't find anything solid. FML. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
tunes Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Didn't psdm say 10 days Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
Checks Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Didn't psdm say 10 days Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! I couldn't find that, not sure if someone has that reference. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
Mish_Hacker Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I couldn't find that, not sure if someone has that reference. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! The mypers website says notifications will occur by"approximately ten days after the window closes." Nothing beats an "approximate" deadline. They probably meant 10 business days... Stupid us Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Vspapplicant Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 I understand it's a volunteer program, but am I wrong in expecting some sort of resolution and better communication? What happened to transparency? Most of us waiting have been in this posture of uncertainty for nearly four months!
Emer Msn Updated Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 Going on about 100 days here. I'd like to see this fly in a for-profit company...
tunes Posted May 12, 2014 Posted May 12, 2014 was there something in the PSDM that said if you apply for a voluntary program and are denied you are ineligible an involuntary program? Or was that just from a Q&A and nothing official?
chim richalds Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 SECAF said that during a q&a. It only seems logical to not make guys write rrfs who applied for vsp and got denied, therefore they will have to do it.
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