FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[mamrotu73]

My orders were complete 4 days after finishing the pre-separation worksheet. I couldn't believe it.

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Mine were ready the next day! But we have our own personnelist here.

And since I've just been lurking until now:

Approved

2006 11M (130H/T6)

3 years 8 months UPT ADSC waived

I had applied for voluntary separation under pregnancy/childbirth first, then applied for VSP as soon as that was denied. Apparently, it was not in the best interest of the AF to let me go in Feb for free, but it is to pay me to leave in July (and pay me to not fly while pregnant, be on maternity leave, then PTDY, and terminal leave in the meantime). I'd like to think someone at AFPC had my back by denying that first application, but I think I'd be giving them too much credit.

[StretchJr]

If anybody else is wondering, medical approvals are coming out today

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[BurgerKing_IsHiring]

VSP Approved

2005 11M

C-17 guy currently at the end of a gig at a UPT base

DOS 29 September

Was tasked with a 179 day deployment on 28 April, long after I had applied for VSP. When I originally got approved the VSP I was told I was off the hook for the deployment. Now, I am being told to keep spinning up for the deployment. FWIW, I have separation orders in my possession with the 29 September DOS. The deployment would get me back in February. Is there anyone else who is in a similar situation? Pretty sure this belongs in the WTF thread.

Thanks BODN for keeping me sane during this process, hopefully sanity will prevail here.

[nunya]

We have a couple guys currently deployed that were approved for VSP. So not the exact same, but close. They already moved their DOS to 4 months after they return. I think the window is you have to separate between 30 and 120 days after your return from your deployment.

[BuffandTexanDriver]

At ksps, 3 x 11Bs (52s) applied. 1 '05 approved and 1 '05 disapproved. 1 '04 passed over for major approved. None of them were buff IPs.

Edited May 28, 2014 by BuffandTexanDriver

[Nogs]

VSP Approved

2005 11M

C-17 guy currently at the end of a gig at a UPT base

DOS 29 September

Was tasked with a 179 day deployment on 28 April, long after I had applied for VSP. When I originally got approved the VSP I was told I was off the hook for the deployment. Now, I am being told to keep spinning up for the deployment. FWIW, I have separation orders in my possession with the 29 September DOS. The deployment would get me back in February. Is there anyone else who is in a similar situation? Pretty sure this belongs in the WTF thread.

Thanks BODN for keeping me sane during this process, hopefully sanity will prevail here.

Exact same boat here my friend. I even submitted a ticket w/TFSC in early May (before my VSP was adjudicated) asking if I needed to update my requested DOS (29 Sep) to after the deployment -the answer was "no, we'll do that if we need to when we process your application".

[stract]

VSP Approved

2005 11M

C-17 guy currently at the end of a gig at a UPT base

DOS 29 September

Was tasked with a 179 day deployment on 28 April, long after I had applied for VSP. When I originally got approved the VSP I was told I was off the hook for the deployment. Now, I am being told to keep spinning up for the deployment. FWIW, I have separation orders in my possession with the 29 September DOS. The deployment would get me back in February. Is there anyone else who is in a similar situation? Pretty sure this belongs in the WTF thread.

Thanks BODN for keeping me sane during this process, hopefully sanity will prevail here.

if you already have separation orders in hand, then your UDM needs to DAV code you since you're within 6 months of separation.

Edited May 29, 2014 by stract

[nsplayr]

Is there some kind of requirement that you cannot deploy w/in 6 months (or some arbitrary timeframe) or is it just that you can't be forced to do so?

[stract]

you can't be forced to. If you want to, then have a nut, if you don't, then make sure they put the DAV code against you and don't sign a DAV waiver.

[trav8933]

2005 11M VSP Approved

I just spoke with my Commander and he mentioned that the AF is discussing allowing VSP'ers to stay on AD until Mar-Apr to ease the pain. Has anyone else heard this?

[tunes]

So question about leave...just want to make sure my finance is telling me the right thing. My ptdy is set to end on July 5. They are saying I have to start my terminal on July 6 and can't wait until July 8 the first duty day to take my terminal and then sell back 2 days

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[SPiF]

Correct. It's in the reg somewhere, but the PTDY taken as part of "terminal leave" or in conjunction with it, so as soon as one ends you start the other one.. even if it's a weekend/holiday/etc.. Mainly meant to keep someone from taking leave up until Friday, then not taking leave the weekend, and going back on leave Monday.

[Skitzo]

you can't be forced to. If you want to, then have a nut, if you don't, then make sure they put the DAV code against you and don't sign a DAV waiver.

Wow. Really? I know some people who are definitely not volunteering to deploy within their 6 months prior to sep.

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[Kitten Mittens]

Guys posting recent VSP approvals...are these still trickling in from the first round when it closed 1 May or are these the new Fy15 VSPs already getting responses? I assume it's the former, but if it's under the new one that opened 22 May I better get on it!

[jrobe]

https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/bait-n-switch-part-duh-afpc-changes-vsp-rules-feed-obese-deployment-machine/

Things that make.you go WTF

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[Banquet Beer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't deploy with a "minor medical issue," correct? What's stopping people from claiming these "issues?" Other than possibly screwing the next guy... If you are really going to lose a job opportunity, I would think about it.

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[Swizzle]

1 x 11S, H9 approved for PC

[nunya]

https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/bait-n-switch-part-duh-afpc-changes-vsp-rules-feed-obese-deployment-machine/

Holy shit he nailed it. Cut and paste most of that post in the "Why I'm getting out" thread and sign my name to it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't deploy with a "minor medical issue," correct? What's stopping people from claiming these "issues?" Other than possibly screwing the next guy... If you are really going to lose a job opportunity, I would think about it.

Fuck no. I will leave with my dignity intact. I'll do everything in my power to get out (VSP, Palace Chase, Palace Front, 7 day opt, whatever other program they dream up...) but I'm not going to lie and pass my bad deal to you. I'm not going to look my son in the eye and tell him I got what I wanted because I lied.

Edited May 30, 2014 by nunya

[deaddebate]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't deploy with a "minor medical issue," correct?

Could you be more specific? Also, getting a deployment cancelled highlights you for MEB consideration, which could be much longer than the deployment.

[Banquet Beer]

###### no. I will leave with my dignity intact. I'll do everything in my power to get out (VSP, Palace Chase, Palace Front, 7 day opt, whatever other program they dream up...) but I'm not going to lie and pass my bad deal to you. I'm not going to look my son in the eye and tell him I got what I wanted because I lied.

Shack. I was drunk and pissed for you guys reading the last few posts last night. Just thinking of a way to get blue to hold a promise they made. You nailed it though.

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[trav8933]

My squadron is officially compiling a list of volunteers to extend past the madated 29 Sep separation date.

[chim richalds]

My squadron is officially compiling a list of volunteers to extend past the madated 29 Sep separation date.

Don't do it unless you really need the income/tricare. AFPC screwed this up, not you. Don't let your commander/buddies corner you into "helping the squadron/community." The Air Force is so bloated, this is the only way guys will figure out what really is mission essential. Work on your resume and set up interviews, let them get ready for ORIs and barbq competitions.

[Lord Ratner]

###### no. I will leave with my dignity intact. I'll do everything in my power to get out (VSP, Palace Chase, Palace Front, 7 day opt, whatever other program they dream up...) but I'm not going to lie and pass my bad deal to you. I'm not going to look my son in the eye and tell him I got what I wanted because I lied.

I respectfully disagree. The only way they're going to learn their lesson is if they're forced to stick to the original plan. Going DNIF forces them to use the people who are staying (people like me), making it more likely they'll realize the s*** storm they put us in.

Letting them deploy you after VSP is no different than staying late to get ready for an inspection you were told "you don't need to get ready for". Sure you're helping out the bros, but you're allowing the Air Force to kick the can further down the road.

[Fuzz]

If anything is apparent after these past couple months is AFPC wouldn't know a shitstorm if it punched them in the face. They are a bureaucratic machine far removed from the ops tempo of the air force. They wont feel it, they'll just grab the next name on their excel spreadsheet.

[nunya]

I respectfully disagree. The only way they're going to learn their lesson is if they're forced to stick to the original plan. Going DNIF forces them to use the people who are staying (people like me), making it more likely they'll realize the s*** storm they put us in.

You think the machine learns lessons and you think one lowly pilot going tactical DNIF will teach that lesson? You're mistaken. They're going to delete me from the spreadsheet, put your name in, and not blink an eye. If there was nobody left to put in cell B24 and it stayed red, they'd think, "Hm, now what?" But that's not going to happen. If it starts to happen, they'll change the rules. ("We don't have enough MC-12 sensors. Extend everyone indefinitely." It happened.) No learning takes place. No shitstorm realization. In the end, the only one that feels ANY pain is you.