FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[HeloDude]

It seems all they did was make 13Ns ineligible to apply for VSP and LADSC.

Unless I'm mistaken, those are the missileers, right? Interesting...

[ThreeHoler]

Where's the quote from ThreeHoler?

Chief of AFPC Retirements/Separations

[FBomb]

Thanks

[BitteEinBit]

Chief of AFPC Retirements/Separations

So basically no one with any credibility.... (sarcasm)

I have turned into a cynical bastard....and I like it!

[spaw2001]

Chief of AFPC Retirements/Separations

I think he is a senior airman promoted below the zone

[tunes]

Wish they would amend PC and let you apply while deployed

[FLY6584]

I'm not sure if this is good news or not, but this is the response I got from AFPC via email...

"If you are RIF eligible your guidance for applying for VSP is under PSDM 13-130 not 14-08. That PSDM does not refer to 13-65 so you could apply for VSP."

[audioflyer]

Well, it's not bad news.

[ThreeHoler]

I'm not sure if this is good news or not, but this is the response I got from AFPC via email...

"If you are RIF eligible your guidance for applying for VSP is under PSDM 13-130 not 14-08. That PSDM does not refer to 13-65 so you could apply for VSP."

Except for the pesky guy who runs the separations branch who says different...

[chizz]

I am pretty sure thursday morning looked like this

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152616439494768&set=vb.525114767&type=2&theater&notif_t=like

[bbj77]

I am deployed now and submitted my VSP application on Thursday morning. My SQ/CC was pretty quick to approve it that day and send it up but it is still pending review with the Wing/CC per the status page as of Saturday. I have no idea if he is on leave or not in the office since I am not there but I would have hoped it would have been sent up already to AFPC. Maybe he is taking the weekend to sort through all of the crap or maybe his computer crashed with all of the applications he received. I just want to get out!

[Guest]

I am pretty sure thursday morning looked like this

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152616439494768&set=vb.525114767&type=2&theater&notif_t=like

A link to a Big Bang Theory video on Facebook? Kindly never post this shit again.

[czecksikhs]

A link to a Big Bang Theory video on Facebook? Kindly never post this shit again.

You do realize that your constant CSPAN tl;dr spam is pretty annoying, right?

[Jaded]

You serious? He posts primary sources rather than random rumor like the rest of this board. You should appreciate it.

[FLY6584]

Except for the pesky guy who runs the separations branch who says different...

I would have to agree, but AFPC did put out a detailed reg with a detailed timeline for the RIF. Year groups are broken down into specific groups with different identifiers and Commanders have already started putting together RRF packages for a ton of guys that have UPT ADSC's left. I do have faith that if we are eligible for the RIF we will be eligible for the VSP based on comments made by General Welsh so if everything is right with the RIF then we have a shot at the VSP. I'm just worried that they are going to come back and say no pilots are eligible for the RIF or for the VSP. If they do there will be a lot of pissed off pilots, but more importantly a lot of pissed off Commanders that had their staff wasting time on useless RRF packages because AFPC can't seem to just get it right the first time, EVER.

[sky_king]

because AFPC can't seem to just get it right the first time, EVER.

or the second, third, fourth, fifth...

[HoHum]

I got the "hot for a hot 365" email recently. If any fellow VSP/RIF'ers are experiencing this, please PM and we can compare notes about the vague verbiage on 365s.

[lossofclocklossofdata]

I'm not sure if this is good news or not, but this is the response I got from AFPC via email...

"If you are RIF eligible your guidance for applying for VSP is under PSDM 13-130 not 14-08. That PSDM does not refer to 13-65 so you could apply for VSP."

Same info I got from TFSC phone call. Let's hope it's true and they don't figure what ADSCs aren't waiverable first.

[RTB]

The fact that the AF still uses 365s at the pace we do is total and complete bullshit. Those were started at the peak of OIF and OEF as a stopgap measure to appease the Army who hated our shorter deployment lengths. Now that we've reduced the manning demand so significantly, we should kill all 365s and go back to the way it was. What a morale killer. But hard to put that genie back in the bottle.

[BamaC-21]

I got the "hot for a hot 365" email recently. If any fellow VSP/RIF'ers are experiencing this, please PM and we can compare notes about the vague verbiage on 365s.

I went through it about 9 months ago. The email is a shot across the bow, not a tasking letter, so you should be OK to apply. If you want more info, PM me.

If you got the email, you need to get smart on the AFI concerning I-TDY's real quick and update your TDY history in vMPF. Now.

[HeloDude]

I got the "hot for a hot 365" email recently. If any fellow VSP/RIF'ers are experiencing this, please PM and we can compare notes about the vague verbiage on 365s.

Didn't they sell it to you as an 'opportunity'?

Forgot to add: "Have I got a deal for you!"

Edited February 8, 2014 by HeloDude

[FLY6584]

Same info I got from TFSC phone call. Let's hope it's true and they don't figure what ADSCs aren't waiverable first.

I called again for the hell of it and got the same answer that I received in my email. She made it clear that if you fall under the RIF Eligibility Matrix you are to follow the guidance found in 13-130 and as of right now you are eligible to apply for VSP. She said everyone else that does not fall under the RIF Eligibility Matrix is to use 14-08 which does drive you to 13-65 that states UPT ADSC commitments won't be waived. As of this time she said she could not confirm or deny whether those of us that apply for VSP under 13-130 will have our UPT ADSC's waived, but as mentioned before she said those interested should still apply while they wait for word from the "Air Staff" as to whether they will be waived or not. It's still a shitty answer and sad that they can't decide who they will let out before they tell us to apply, but at least there's still a chance.

[tunes]

at this point it's just a waiting game....

if you want to apply, apply...if you don't, don't.

[audioflyer]

If you write a letter to the RIF board you will still get paid. A pilot I know did it during the last RIF.

Anybody know the official word on whether they will pay separation pay if you write a Do Not Retain Me letter to the RIF board?

[HoHum]

I went through it about 9 months ago. The email is a shot across the bow, not a tasking letter, so you should be OK to apply. If you want more info, PM me.

If you got the email, you need to get smart on the AFI concerning I-TDY's real quick and update your TDY history in vMPF. Now.

Applied. (had a couple minutes of really high blood pressure when I got the email on the 5th until I figured out it was NOT a tasker and I could still apply for VSP)

Duty history update done.

Just trying to figure out if there's anyway they can deny VSP if I'm tasked now.

Also, trying to figure out the odds of getting a 365 based on this from 13-130:

 On/After Official Public Announcement: PCS and ED selections will be considered and made on a case by case basis. RIF-eligible officers who are currently projected for an ED will be reviewed on a case by case basis for possible ED cancellation and replacement action.