B-1 crash

[Breckey]

It's in the Powder River MOA between IR473 and IR492. (45º33'15"N, 104º40'55"W) per the TFR

[pawnman]

Great news they made it out safely. I had a lot of friends in the community.

Just curious, but is that on or near the Belle Fourche range?

Yes, although the area directly over Belle Fourche doesn't include low altitude. It's got a shelf starting at 180.

[contraildash]

...so according to Senator Jeff Flake's math this just saved a SQ of A-10s....

Seriously, glad everyone got out ok! Good to to hear after how rough this year has been.

[pbar]

https://www.ellsworth.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123360368

Crewmembers ID'ed;

Maj Frank Biancardi II, Instructor Pilot

Capt Curtis Michael, Instructor Pilot

Capt Chad Nishizuka, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer

Capt Brandon Packard, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer

Thankfully they all survived. Unfortunately, Capt. Nishizuka lost his brother in the Afghanistan MC-12 crash.

[Fuzz]

Damn I couldn't figure out why his name looked so familiar.

[WeatherManC130]

https://www.ellsworth...sp?id=123360368

Crewmembers ID'ed;

Maj Frank Biancardi II, Instructor Pilot

Capt Curtis Michael, Instructor Pilot

Capt Chad Nishizuka, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer

Capt Brandon Packard, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer

Thankfully they all survived. Unfortunately, Capt. Nishizuka lost his brother in the Afghanistan MC-12 crash.

Would you guys fly again? If I were Capt. Nishizuka I would be finding another line of work. That is way too close to home.

WxMan

[Snooter]

Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. As for the number of Class A's I'm sure there will be a committee stood up to review the reasoning and then an FCIF or the like will be released telling us that we need to "go back to basics" etc. etc. then ops normal...

[AnimalMother]

Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is.

Truer words are rarely spoken. In my experience however, leadership doesn't always agree.

[murdocjxx]

Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. As for the number of Class A's I'm sure there will be a committee stood up to review the reasoning and then an FCIF or the like will be released telling us that we need to "go back to basics" etc. etc. then ops normal...

Quite the speculation without knowing any of the details

[M2]

Would you guys fly again? If I were Capt. Nishizuka I would be finding another line of work. That is way too close to home.

WxMan

Driving to and from work is still more dangerous...

[Snooter]

Quite the speculation without knowing any of the details

I wasn't referring to this accident in particular, I was referring to the number of Class A's that have occured this FY...

[HeloDude]

https://www.ellsworth...sp?id=123360368

Crewmembers ID'ed;

Maj Frank Biancardi II, Instructor Pilot

Capt Curtis Michael, Instructor Pilot

Capt Chad Nishizuka, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer

Capt Brandon Packard, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer

Thankfully they all survived. Unfortunately, Capt. Nishizuka lost his brother in the Afghanistan MC-12 crash.

This is odd...AF PA rarely seems to release names in a mishap if they're not deceased.

[Techsan]

Driving to and from work is still more dangerous...

Ain't that the truth.

[pbar]

https://m.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/air-force-bomber-crashes-near-broadus-during-training-crew-ejects/article_ae05c864-4364-5b36-adb4-5dce07ffdd23.html?mobile_touch=true This article points to a possible cause if the eyewitness is to be believed...

[matmacwc]

That thing went in nearly straight up and down.

[ThreeHoler]

https://m.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/air-force-bomber-crashes-near-broadus-during-training-crew-ejects/article_ae05c864-4364-5b36-adb4-5dce07ffdd23.html?mobile_touch=true This article points to a possible cause if the eyewitness is to be believed...

Eyewitlesses will always see smoke and/or fire before a crash whether either is there or not. People expect to see it, so they recall seeing it.

[Hercster]

Eyewitlesses...

I see what you did there lol

[pawnman]

Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. As for the number of Class A's I'm sure there will be a committee stood up to review the reasoning and then an FCIF or the like will be released telling us that we need to "go back to basics" etc. etc. then ops normal...

Two were recent WIC grads.

[Butters]

Eyewitlesses will always see smoke and/or fire before a crash whether either is there or not. People expect to see it, so they recall seeing it.

They probably heard the engine making sputtering sounds as well... like it was out of gas!

[Snooter]

Two were recent WIC grads.

Did they successfully evade/avoid the threat?

[10percenttruth]

Did they successfully evade/avoid the threat?

"It Depends..."

[Disco_Nav963]

Stories like this always provide great occasion for the news media to reflect on important defense issues... Like what the locals think about the Powder River training complex.

Many ranchers, including Gnerer's husband, believe the bombers intentionally swoop over tractors and farm buildings for mock target-practice.

And another dude:

In the 1980s, he and his wife would complain regularly to Ellsworth Air Force Base about the noise. The couple believe that in response, the bombers increased their flyovers above their home.

He said the planes are better now, flying higher than they once did, but he still believes they frequently dip below the 500 feet threshold they're supposed to adhere to. He said he's seen a B-1 fly as low as 50 feet.

"The problem I guess I have with them is they don't respect our property, our livelihood; when they use your buildings for target practice and come over your buildings all day, all night," he said.

Lanning regularly flies a small plane over his ranch to check reservoir levels and kill coyotes. He said the B-1s are frequently a terrifying presence to share the air with.

With a maximum speed of 900 mph, a B-1 can streak past with little warning.

"You got to keep in the back of your mind that you got to be watching for them the whole time," he said.

He added that he and several other ranch pilots have had close calls. He said getting caught in the backdraft created by a B-1 is enough to rip the wings off a small aircraft like this own.

Having to remember to "see and avoid" when flying VFR in a MOA for aircraft that were built to penetrate low and fast (STS) and have been there for over two decades... Must be awful.

Edited August 25, 2013 by Disco_Nav963

[Fuzz]

Having to remember to "see and avoid" when flying VFR in a MOA for aircraft that were built to penetrate low and fast (STS) and have been there for over two decades... Must be awful.

I doubt there's much time for him to avoid by (if) the time he sees a B-1

Edited August 25, 2013 by Fuzz

[Disco_Nav963]

I doubt there's much time for him to avoid by (if) the time he sees a B-1

Touche.

[magnetfreezer]

If only there was some type of notice published on a central FAA website or ATC agency you could contact to figure out if a MOA is hot.

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