China & Chinese Shenanigans

[Biff_T]

18 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

The Donger!

[nsplayr]

Hey not for nothing, but make sure none of y'all download DeepSeek. It seems like it should go without saying, but do not willingly put CCP AI on your devices. I guess common sense is a superpower these days...

[Banzai]

11 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Hey not for nothing, but make sure none of y'all download DeepSeek. It seems like it should go without saying, but do not willingly put CCP AI on your devices. I guess common sense is a superpower these days...

Legitimately, why? It’s open source and can be run without an internet connection.

[nsplayr]

31 minutes ago, Banzai said:

Legitimately, why? It’s open source and can be run without an internet connection.

I for one will never install CCP-controlled/aligned apps on my personal devices. No need to give a hostile rival nation valuable data for free.

If you wanna sandbox one in a totally offline environment for fun, I mean cool I guess, but that really limits the purpose of having an AI tool in the first place IMHO. I won't be doing that either.

The Navy has already banned it.

“We would like to bring to your attention a critical update regarding a new AI model called DeepSeek,” the email said. The memo said it’s “imperative” that team members do not use DeepSeek’s AI “for any work-related tasks or personal use.”

It said recipients (all Navy personnel) were to “refrain from downloading, installing, or using the DeepSeek model in any capacity.”

Edited 4 hours ago by nsplayr

[TreeA10]

I did hear using Deepseek the user must agree to allow access to their computer data.  Can't verify that, however.

[Banzai]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

If you wanna sandbox one in a totally offline environment for fun, I mean cool I guess, but that really limits the purpose of having an AI tool in the first place IMHO. I won't be doing that either.

I guess I just don’t buy the harm or your justification that being offline limits AI. It’s not like ChatGPT looks up its answers online. These are trained models that have weights built in to essentially a massive multidimensional matrix, for the most part. Which is why they can be run offline. And also why when I asked the most advanced ChatGPT o1 model, as of this afternoon, who the president was it told me:

“As of my most recent confirmed information, Joe Biden is the 46th president of the United States.”

This was with a good connection to the internet. The only thing being offline limits are calls to other APIs (like image generation), which you can verify within the open source code.

Now, you do have to understand that they will be able to censor answers and information on things like Tiananmen Square or CCP perceptions using online answer scrubbing. But as long as you know that internet enabled answers come from a biased source, I still do not get the fear mongering. I have seen many folks that are able to get the offline DeepSeek models to talk about things the CCP would not want them to.

edit: To be clear, I know if I used DeepSeek I should not ever type anything about myself or the government (I also know this about ChatGPT, Claude, etc.), as they will collect ANYTHING we put in the app. But I don’t understand those that say there is substantial risk in simply having the app. The navy reaction to me screams extremely overconservative easy button.

Edited 2 hours ago by Banzai