Enlisted Medical Records

[decker08]

Hi all,

I wanted to get some opinions on the FC1 Medical History review. I am thinking about applying for ANG UPT, but I don't want to go through years upon years of trying only to be stopped at the FC1. I have seen a lot of back and forth on just what to include on the DD 2807. I think it is fair to argue that the majority of folks, to say the least, leave out some information on the DD 2807. For many folks on the civilian side this won't present much of a problem because there are no medical records directy accessible by the flight doc. However, for the prior enlisted/commissioned guys there are electronic records and hard copy records readily available. My question is: Are they going to go perusing through my military medical records as part of the FC1 process? The last thing I want is to get picked up and then get DQ'd for ommitting information; the second to last thing I want is to be DQ'd for a resolved medical issue.

Thanks!

[Learjetter]

Don't lie.

Don't lie by omission.

Download and read AFI 48-123V1-4

Find any post by deaddebate, read the stuff in his sig block.

Yes, your official military med records will be perused.

If the medical issue is resolved, it might not even be an issue.

Re-read the stuff deaddebate posts, and the stuff in his sig block.

Especially read the waiver guides.

Make an appt w/Flight surgeon to discuss what you're worried about BEFORE your FC1--that'll likely settle any doubts.

Good luck!

Edit: fix double post

Edited January 1, 2014 by Learjetter

[deaddebate]

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^ This. The review of your medical records is perhaps a bit more thorough than a perusal, but some technicians are more committed to this audit than others. Sent from my HTC One X+ using Tapatalk Edited January 1, 2014 by deaddebate

[decker08]

I'm somewhat curious as to why they even have us military types fill out the 2807 if they automatically audit your med records. To be honest, I cant remember all the details of my medical history, visits to the clinic, and off base doctor details. It's going to be tough to be thorough on the 2807 because I don't have hard copies of my med records. I have never requested them, and somehow they were lost/misplaced when I transferred to the guard. It just seems like they would forego the 2807 for the prior service guys seeings how they are already reviewing all your medical history.

[JarheadBoom]

I'm somewhat curious as to why they even have us military types fill out the 2807 if they automatically audit your med records. To be honest, I cant remember all the details of my medical history, visits to the clinic, and off base doctor details. It's going to be tough to be thorough on the 2807 because I don't have hard copies of my med records. I have never requested them, and somehow they were lost/misplaced when I transferred to the guard. It just seems like they would forego the 2807 for the prior service guys seeings how they are already reviewing all your medical history.

Integrity check, maybe?

Or, maybe it's as simple as "The reg says so".

Who knows... half the time I don't think the MDG (at least at WRI - YMMV at Base X) knows why the hell they're doing the things they do.

** That's not a shot at deaddebate; I've learned more from his posts here than in 7.5 years of AFRES time.

[Guest]

Your medical records LIKELY weren't lost in your transition to the Guard.

The were probably archived (

https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/index.html ). You

can request a copy, but it'll take about 3-6 months. Still worth doing it,

IMO. The majority of your medical records of the last 6+ years are still

available to the Med Group electronically (AHLTA), so it's not as if

everything is lost, but stuff 10+ years old is much more difficult to verify

without the physical record.

The purposes of you completing the 2807 include:

The clinic must determine your AR (Adaptability Rating). The AR is

essentially an interview by the Flight Surgeon for whether you should be

trusted to operate multi-million dollar aircraft. Imagine you are the

Installation Inspector General. Upon investigating a Class-A mishap, you

discover a local Medical Group certified someone for flying duty, but never

asked the question, "Capt Bagodonuts, are you crazy, do you regularly lie,

or do eat your shoes?" The concern is most applicants have never seen

Mental Health/LSSC ever, and as long as a given patient doesn't publicly eat

his shoes, he can avoid a Command Directed Evalaution (CDE). These

questions need to be asked at some point, and lying about your medical

history, especially if there is an official record somewhere contradicting

you, won't help you. The Air Force is not the Spanish Inquisition, but you

are incentivised to pass the exam, and the Med Group is incentivised to

uphold standards.

It helps the Flight Surgeon quickly review your entire medical history.

When the Med Group completes a new DD 2807, there is a matching DD 2808.

These forms should include everything important and relevant to any military

service. Answering the 2807 correctly helps the technicians cross-check and

quickly assemble the whole picture about your health for the FS to analyze.

Also, there is the possibility that you have had some major health event

since your last appointment, especially if you have a break in service.

Just be honest that you can't remember everything. Nobody expects you to

remember everytime you went to the Urgent Care/Emergency Room for a sore

throat, but if you got your tonsils removed because of it, then it's

important. You whack your head playing football, so what? There was

loss-of-consciousness and concussion from it, hell yes we want to know.

Edited January 2, 2014 by deaddebate

[decker08]

Copy that; that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification deaddebate! I will check out the archives to see if I can track down my records.

[Guard_Guy]

No offense, this is my opinion only, but if you are on the fence about applying because of past medical issues maybe you should reconsider your career field. I understand what you're saying but I personally know guys that refused to give up even after failing ACS. If you really want it, go for it. If it's meant to be it's meant to be. People that never try, never succeed. I understand that it might be hard with school, job, whatever, but that's the career field. There are plenty of guys out there that would love to be able to apply. Go for it. Like I said, if it works, it works. You'll never know until you try. You may be surprised and find yourself graduating pilot training.