mudhen69 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Someone should get BODN accredited as a masters program.. 8 pages of discussion boards on something irrelevant to the mission of the AF=a standard one each masters class 1
Skitzo Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Year groups are the single worse thing the military has going for itself. 4
Cap-10 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Snackostuff.com They will put your squadron emblem / custom emblem on just about anything...t-shirt, glass mug, corn hole set, etc. Cap-10
WheelsOff Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Anyone have a good link to a company that makes Friday shirts? (Ie: will embroider/put a logo way high on the neck?) My Google skills have failed me at this task. https://www.aviatorgear.com/c-2-squadron-t-shirts.aspx Can't go wrong with these guys. They do great work. Lots of examples on their website too.
albertschu Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 It's not about wearing the baseball cap in the aircraft, it's about why you think it's okay to wear the baseball cap in the aircraft. It's about why you take it off when someone is watching you. It is not about following rules. It is about demonstration of judgment.
Hacker Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 CSAF will release guidance to not consider AAD for Maj and Lt Col. Historical note for the younger dudes who don't remember the last time this happened: A whole bunch of Captains followed the CSAF's advice that they should focus on their jobs and families rather than getting a Masters....and then a couple years later, Jumper retired and and Mosley (the next CSAF) promptly reinstated the requirement to have a Masters for Lt Col (and unofficially did so for Major again). Sometimes you have to be careful which CSAF vectors you choose to follow. 1
Bender Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 It is not about following rules. It is about demonstration of judgment. Right. As will be the "return of Friday shirts / patches". Bendy
Bender Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Bendy, do you have a link to that study? Honestly I don't have a lot of time to dig this stuff up right now, but RAND has a large array of budget-sucking reports to peruse. Here is an example of one related to my point: https://www.rand.org/pubs/technical_reports/TR759.html Free time could be used semi-productively looking at the National Security stuff they've produced: https://www.rand.org/topics/national-security.html There are many, many more recommendations the Air Force pays to get that it subsequently ignores. As it pertains to O-6's specifically (the link above), I'd have to do more research into any alterations that may have come of it. Bendy Re-Edit: Now that I relook at One1's posted document, that one was 1 of 5 documents I recall pertaining to leader development (AAD, billets, progression) leading to eventual skill pairing requirements (O-6 and GO)...although one of them, IIRC, was actually an Army sponsored study. It is possible that RAND was not the source of all of the documents, but I honestly think they were. I will point it out to you if I come across it...I'm sure I probably saved them, 3 laptops ago. Edited January 22, 2014 by Bender
slackline Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Historical note for the younger dudes who don't remember the last time this happened: A whole bunch of Captains followed the CSAF's advice that they should focus on their jobs and families rather than getting a Masters....and then a couple years later, Jumper retired and and Mosley (the next CSAF) promptly reinstated the requirement to have a Masters for Lt Col (and unofficially did so for Major again). Sometimes you have to be careful which CSAF vectors you choose to follow. When people say just this, nothing will ever change! If everybody follows this guidance, no one will have AAD when they change it forcing the AF to either promote people without it, or promote no one! I agree, it's subject to change, but it's an attitude that says, "well, I'm going to do it anyway" that screws everyone else.
Champ Kind Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 When people say just this, nothing will ever change! If everybody follows this guidance, no one will have AAD when they change it forcing the AF to either promote people without it, or promote no one! I agree, it's subject to change, but it's an attitude that says, "well, I'm going to do it anyway" that screws everyone else. Which is why I advocate getting rid of the ability to pursue AAD at a certain rank. What can/can't be seen on a SURF/DQHB can change in the blink of an eye. 3
HeloDude Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 ...anddddd this thread has turned into AAD's.
Tonka Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 ...anddddd this thread has turned into AAD's. It was inevitable, the same thing happened to the Nazis when they brought back Hawaiian shirt day... 7
Hacker Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 When people say just this, nothing will ever change! If everybody follows this guidance, no one will have AAD when they change it forcing the AF to either promote people without it, or promote no one! I agree, it's subject to change, but it's an attitude that says, "well, I'm going to do it anyway" that screws everyone else. Yep, there were a bunch of Captains who thought that in 2004, too.
Herk Driver Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) As another reminder of what happened during the time that Hacker mentions...when the return to AADs started, it was not at the flip of a switch...there was about a year (or longer) between decision and implementation, IIRC. Although, there were some that got caught behind the 8-ball with little time to catch up. Either way, there has to be more to the effort than to just tell SR's to ignore AADs when considering strats and for promotion boards, etc. SURFs and other documentation need to be addressed so that the information is not available, like CK has pointed out. Edited January 23, 2014 by Herk Driver
Champ Kind Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 ...anddddd this thread has turned into AAD's. Thread subtitle should be, "...which is neat, but here's what is still wrong with the AF"
Fuzz Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Thread bump: So how is this playing out at your respective bases?
FUSEPLUG Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Shoe Flag: no-go. Not surprised. Shoe Flag? That's still going on? One would think they would shut that shit down before they start RIFing people!
Breckey Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 If you are assigned to a wing that has approved it can you wear it there? My thought would be similar to our flight regs: I follow my MAJCOMs sup, not the base I'm TDY at.
SurelySerious Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 You're forgetting this is the home of stupidity.
ElLoco Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Shoe Flag: no-go. Not surprised. Ha...of course..but I bet they're still using callsigns, having roll calls and a whole bunch of other crap they've unknowingly duplicated from the aviation community that they so despise.
Bobby Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 @KSPS squadron morale patches and T-Shirts have returned (with guidance). At least it's a step in the right direction.
Dupe Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Thread bump: So how is this playing out at your respective bases? I told some Lts to go make a bad-ass shirt that's approvable by an O-6. They're moving out.
sky_king Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Got an email that said, "Wait for further guidance." No further guidance. Wears POW/MIA morale patch anyway.
Fuzz Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Got an email that said, "Wait for further guidance." No further guidance. Wears POW/MIA morale patch anyway. That's what we are getting, also it looks like all patches including pen tabs are going to be standardized. ETA: On a positive note,I have seen a few people around base wearing Friday shirts, even thought there hasn't been any official word. Edited January 24, 2014 by Fuzz
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