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Stitch Gray Beard

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Here’s a possible solution: The Army offers and Bergdahl cops a plea for desertion; reduction to E zero, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, forfeiture of VA benefits, credit for “time served” while in Talaban Land and cut him lose. Saves the DoD a shit ton of money and aggravation with not having to deal with a what would become a Scope’s Monkey trial. He departs military service with nothing from the government but wasn’t that his plan in the first place anyway; when he, in effect, tried to walk home from Afghanistan?

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Learjetter
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I'm glad he's back. I'm very unhappy that in doing so, we just validated that we will, in fact, negotiate with terrorists, and in doing so we put a price on every American's head.

M2
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I understand your logic, and agree this will turn into a giant monkey fuck; but those who died trying to find Bergdahl after he deserted and their families earned the right for a tribunal to examine B

Lawman
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He's back. And to those thinking we don't negotiate with terrorists or anybody else it's a movie line not a reality. The state department does it under the table all the time. We did it for Durant in

Warrior Flight Lead

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If his accusers are right, Americans died looking for him. You don't walk away from that.

You do under this administration when this is going to turn into a full blown circus no matter how it plays out. Letting him walk might be the least offensive option.

Not saying I agree, just saying …

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https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/american-military-deserters-canada.html

To desert in a time of war carries a maximum penalty of death. The military has not actually executed a soldier for desertion since 1945, but for the young men and women preparing to go AWOL in the early aughts, it was difficult to gauge what the true penalty might be. [...] Although two-thirds of [Canada's] citizens supported the U.S. deserters in a 2008 poll, and the legislature has voted twice to grant them permanent residence, the election of Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative Party in 2006 [...] has consistently opposed the American deserters and his immigration department has worked assiduously to deport them. [...] Many of them have already been deported from Canada and imprisoned in the United States. [...] Long received a dishonorable discharge and spent 15 months in military prison. The judge expressed disappointment that prosecutors did not insist on a longer sentence. [...] Kim Rivera [...] was sentenced to 14 months in military prison. [...] Today, fewer than a dozen outspoken U.S. deserters remain in Canada. The Harper administration has denied many of them permits to work, cut off their access to the national health-care system [...] if anyone other than Harper wins the election, the deserters will be allowed to stay in Canada. [...] But as the election approaches, Harper has begun a final purge. Nearly all of the deserters who remain in Canada have received a deportation order in the past four months. Many of them could be in American prisons by the time a new Canadian government offers them relief. [...] American military commanders rarely seek out deserters and even more rarely punish them. At the height of the Iraq War, fewer than 5 percent of deserters received a court-martial, and fewer than one percent served prison time. [...] the only deserters who have consistently been punished by the American military are those who went to Canada. [...] The decision to prosecute is typically made at the unit level, and the heightened punishment for those in Canada may reveal nothing more than a military culture that castigates insubordination. [...] the military is making a special example of those who fled north and spoke out; and that the Obama administration, in picking its battles with military culture, has decided not to pick this one. [...] in the European Union, a refugee can file for asylum only in the country he first reaches; since Glass had been through several other countries, he could not file in Germany unless he left the Continent for at least three months.

JarheadBoom Gray Beard

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This guy is interesting...

...served 17 years in the military before deploying to the Persian Gulf in 2006 as a nuclear engineer on an aircraft carrier, where he became concerned by the tactics used by the ship’s aircraft in civilian areas of Iraq.

Those streams typically do not cross.

I have a relative who was a Navy nuke officer in the early-mid '80s; he told me long ago that he (and the majority of his peers) really didn't give a shit about what went on with the Air Wing, as long as they didn't drop the mail bags during VERTREP or let the Russians blow the boat up. I can't imagine that attitude changing so drastically that nuke officers would find themselves balls-deep in the Air Wing's TTPs, to the point where one in the twilight of his career would turn away from the light at the end of the tunnel and desert over what he had seen...

GrndPndr Gray Beard

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This guy is interesting...

Those streams typically do not cross.

I have a relative who was a Navy nuke officer in the early-mid '80s; he told me long ago that he (and the majority of his peers) really didn't give a shit about what went on with the Air Wing, as long as they didn't drop the mail bags during VERTREP or let the Russians blow the boat up. I can't imagine that attitude changing so drastically that nuke officers would find themselves balls-deep in the Air Wing's TTPs, to the point where one in the twilight of his career would turn away from the light at the end of the tunnel and desert over what he had seen...

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It always amazes me when I'm aboard any CVN, that many O's and most E's who have functions below the flight deck rarely if ever are permitted to get on the flight deck (or hanger deck for that matter). By the same token, everyone always seems pretty focused on their own stuff. When I start talking about something going on up there, they usually respond with something like, "I might get up there on our next dependent's day cruise." So how much do they stick their collective noses in other's business?

pawnman Gray Beard

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This guy is interesting...

Those streams typically do not cross.

I have a relative who was a Navy nuke officer in the early-mid '80s; he told me long ago that he (and the majority of his peers) really didn't give a shit about what went on with the Air Wing, as long as they didn't drop the mail bags during VERTREP or let the Russians blow the boat up. I can't imagine that attitude changing so drastically that nuke officers would find themselves balls-deep in the Air Wing's TTPs, to the point where one in the twilight of his career would turn away from the light at the end of the tunnel and desert over what he had seen...

Was it because he was actually involved, or because he was reading jihadi press releases in his down time?

M2 Gray Beard

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Here’s a possible solution: The Army offers and Bergdahl cops a plea for desertion; reduction to E zero, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, forfeiture of VA benefits, credit for “time served” while in Talaban Land and cut him lose. Saves the DoD a shit ton of money and aggravation with not having to deal with a what would become a Scope’s Monkey trial. He departs military service with nothing from the government but wasn’t that his plan in the first place anyway; when he, in effect, tried to walk home from Afghanistan?

I understand your logic, and agree this will turn into a giant monkey fuck; but those who died trying to find Bergdahl after he deserted and their families earned the right for a tribunal to examine Bergdahl's actions.

Bergdahl intentional left his post and likely aided the enemy. At least six of his comrades of the 1/501 PIR died during the frantic search to find him. Letting him off scot free should not be an option...

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I wonder if Army CID will verify the below claims from 2010.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305184/Bowe-Bergdahl-Taliban-claim-captured-U-S-solider-teaching-fighters-bomb-making-skills.html

A captured American soldier is training Taliban fighters bomb-making and ambush skills, according to one of his captors and Afghan intelligence officials.

Private Bowe Bergdahl disappeared in June 2009 while based in eastern Afghanistan and is thought to be the only U.S. serviceman in captivity.

The 24-year-old has converted to Islam and now has the Muslim name Abdullah, one of his captors told The Sunday Times.

pintail21 Crew Dawg

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If the ISS falls out of the sky tomorrow the Taliban would try to take credit for it. I also don't know where he would have learned bomb making, or why the Taliban would need an outsider to teach them bomb making when they were pretty skilled with IED's after fighting us for 8+ years so it's pretty obvious that those claims are just propaganda.

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JarheadBoom Gray Beard

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Was it because he was actually involved, or because he was reading jihadi press releases in his down time?

The next sentence of the article, after I ended my original quote:

Over the past eight years, Wiley has steadfastly refused to reveal the classified details of what he saw, which could lead to an even greater penalty than desertion itself.

He says (or implies) classified. Who knows what he actually means... he could have been surfing Al Jazeera for all we know.

My point is that Navy nuclear engineering officers - the guys who run the nuclear reactors that power the boat - don't normally get involved in Air Wing business, especially business that would likely take place in a SCIF (or what passes for a SCIF on the boat). Just doesn't add up.

Stitch Gray Beard

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I understand your logic, and agree this will turn into a giant monkey fuck; but those who died trying to find Bergdahl after he deserted and their families earned the right for a tribunal to examine Bergdahl's actions.

Bergdahl intentional left his post and likely aided the enemy. At least six of his comrades of the 1/501 PIR died during the frantic search to find him. Letting him off scot free should not be an option...

And I see your point and agree 100% regarding the troops who fell searching for their team mate I hadn't considered that angle. In that case, charge em up and go for max punishment. My only point was to prevent the defense trying to turn the trial into some three-ring circus show soapbox r.e. "unjust war", alleged indiscriminate killings of civilians, etc, etc, etc...

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MooseAg03 Gray Beard

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His statement about how the Taliban are better than US forces just goes to show where his loyalties lie. He should rot in prison for the rest of his life. Considering the punishment in Article 85 for desertion in wartime is up to death, I think he would be getting off easy (sts) with life in prison. What a piece of garbage.

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