MD Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Most of the cartel scouts on the mountains here in AZ are packing AKs or ARs, along with their surveillance gear. Primarily for use against other cartel persons, but if product is involved, for use against LE as well. Already have had a few BP agents killed recently, one Campo-based agent (outside San Diego) executed in an ambush by the people he was tracking, one run over and killed near Yuma AZ by a vehicle he was attempting to spike and stop, and one killed in a gunbattle near Rio Rico, AZ, the case which uncovered the whole Fast and Furious scandal.
pintail21 Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 People carrying guns and drugs across the border then returning aren't immigrants, they're smugglers.
Clark Griswold Posted April 19, 2015 Author Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) People carrying guns and drugs across the border then returning aren't immigrants, they're smugglers. The article and MD's comments weren't saying that. Nor my intention to say the average illegal alien crossing has guns, drugs or nefarious intentions BUT there is a sizable percentage that do (gang members, cartel operatives, aliens from hostile nations, etc.). Just secure the border. Just that. If you did that THEN a rational, reasoned and sensible conversation could be had about what should happen to illegal aliens in the US who have lived and worked here with ties to the US. But the short sighted and corrupt economic and left leaning political interests won't turn off the tap so the boat continues to take on water. The border can be secured and policed reasonably. I as a tax payer would rather spend billions on keeping out random dudes with shotguns, AK-47s, MS-13 tattoos and multiple felony convictions than on useless shit like a GD stupid STOVL fighter that will likely never see combat against another fighter but may be used to bomb some jihadi in turdshitstan for probably 300K per mission. Rage subsiding.... Edit for grammar Edited April 19, 2015 by Clark Griswold 1
Clark Griswold Posted June 7, 2015 Author Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) All is not quiet on the southern front... U.S. helicopter fired on from Mexico side of the border, authorities say **UPDATES** BREAKING: US CBP CHOPPER DOWN AT TEXAS BORDER, FIRED ON FROM MEXICO . Edited June 10, 2015 by Clark Griswold
Clark Griswold Posted September 9, 2015 Author Posted September 9, 2015 Restart.Another high school valedictorian just being oppressed by the man and his evil border and immigration laws.https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/09/08/captured-convicted-burglar-deported-5-times-back-in-texas/And while I think InfoWars is somewhat suspect the film speaks for itself.https://www.infowars.com/muslim-refugees-chant-allahu-akbar-fk-you-attack-citizens-throw-feces/Helping a drowning man is noble but don't let him pull you down.
stract Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 All is not quiet on the southern front... U.S. helicopter fired on from Mexico side of the border, authorities say **UPDATES** BREAKING: US CBP CHOPPER DOWN AT TEXAS BORDER, FIRED ON FROM MEXICO .retired Rescue pilot.
Clark Griswold Posted September 9, 2015 Author Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) retired Rescue pilot.Copy that.Another video, this from Greece and probably coming to the heart of Europe soon.https://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/greek-islands-turned-into-a-war-zone-by-migrants-supposedly-fleeing-war/Western democracy doesn't stand a chance when its elites are this clueless, apathetic, dumb, disconnected and/or naive. Cut to 4:33 and 5:33 to see why our societies are spinning out of control and nothing is done to control crime, illegal immigration, etc... two shinning examples of the slow motion self destructive lunatics that thanks to left wing media, academia, corrupt government officials and short sighted cheap labor seeking corporations that are enabled to drag down Western Civilization. It has been said empires are not murdered they commit suicide, I think we are witnessing that now. Edited September 9, 2015 by Clark Griswold
Clark Griswold Posted September 21, 2015 Author Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I'm sure this won't be a problem for Europe and I'm sure this won't eventually come across the Atlantic to give us a problem.Reporter Buys Forged Syrian Passport Marketed to Migrants Trying to Win Asylum in Europe. How Much Do You Think He Paid? Edited September 21, 2015 by Clark Griswold
Clark Griswold Posted January 6, 2016 Author Posted January 6, 2016 New year, same problem... Military age males unaccompanied from the ME https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jan/05/stringers-threat-san-diego-southern-border/# Military level capabilities demonstrated by drug cartels https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/12/DHS-Drug-Traffickers-Spoofing-Border-Drones/124613/?oref=d-channelriver And the transnational connection to drug cartels and terrorists continue... https://freebeacon.com/national-security/investigation-collusion-between-terrorists-and-mexican-cartels-is-a-threat-to-u-s/ 2
Clark Griswold Posted June 10, 2016 Author Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Random act of good journalism on the actual opinions of Americans living in the border as to the need for a border wall. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a44782/donald-trump-the-wall/ https://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/09/liberal-journalist-asked-people-living-along-the-border-what-they-want-trump-is-right-they-want-a-wall/ Long article but worth reading, not just a biased view one way or the other on why a physical barrier system (wall, fences or hybrid) is good/bad/necessary/unnecessary. Edited June 10, 2016 by Clark Griswold minor
MD Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 On 6/9/2016 at 8:56 PM, Clark Griswold said: Random act of good journalism on the actual opinions of Americans living in the border as to the need for a border wall. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a44782/donald-trump-the-wall/ https://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/09/liberal-journalist-asked-people-living-along-the-border-what-they-want-trump-is-right-they-want-a-wall/ Long article but worth reading, not just a biased view one way or the other on why a physical barrier system (wall, fences or hybrid) is good/bad/necessary/unnecessary. Just the other night, responded to a Yuma-based agent who was making an apprehension of a group of 3, when the group decided to jump him instead of run, which is becoming more and more common unfortunately. One of the illegals managed to gain his baton and started hitting him with it, before said illegal was shot dead by him. Hostile resistance by illegals with active wants/warrants or other criminal crimes on their record (including capital crimes) is on the serious uptick, as there are many more of those coming into the US than the standard on-each looking for work. Not knowing who anyone is, all have to be treated as potentially hostile now, until secured and can be IDd.
Clark Griswold Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 42 minutes ago, MD said: Just the other night, responded to a Yuma-based agent who was making an apprehension of a group of 3, when the group decided to jump him instead of run, which is becoming more and more common unfortunately. One of the illegals managed to gain his baton and started hitting him with it, before said illegal was shot dead by him. Hostile resistance by illegals with active wants/warrants or other criminal crimes on their record (including capital crimes) is on the serious uptick, as there are many more of those coming into the US than the standard on-each looking for work. Not knowing who anyone is, all have to be treated as potentially hostile now, until secured and can be IDd. That made the news: https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/10/sources-border-patrol-agent-attacked-illegal-alien-alien-shot-dead/ Thank God the agent is safe, the invader-criminal is dead and the press didn't bury the story. I am not sure if militarization is the exact word for what must be done on the border but massive fortification and patrol along with vigorous internal enforcement, legal sanctions and prosecution for any official or government agency or body that does not immediately report the presence of an illegal alien when it becomes known and severe financial punishment for any private citizen who employs illegal aliens is the only thing stem the tide. Who knows how many times this has happened and hasn't made the news or was purposely suppressed? This is a national security threat, a criminal threat, an economic threat and an assault on our sovereignty http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/30/pakistanis-terrorist-connections-nabbed-us-border/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/smuggling-network-guided-illegal-immigrants-from-m/
MD Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 23 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: Who knows how many times this has happened and hasn't made the news or was purposely suppressed? Like when the Mexican military had crossed into the US along with drug vehicles, were spotted by a BP agent who drove towards them to see what was going on, only to get his patrol truck shot up by the Mexican Army, with him escaping and running away. That vehicle being salvaged by the agency, towed away back to Tucson, markings painted over and scrapped in a junkyard.
Clark Griswold Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, MD said: Like when the Mexican military had crossed into the US along with drug vehicles, were spotted by a BP agent who drove towards them to see what was going on, only to get his patrol truck shot up by the Mexican Army, with him escaping and running away. That vehicle being salvaged by the agency, towed away back to Tucson, markings painted over and scrapped in a junkyard. Yup Zetas were Mexican SOF and recruit ex and AWOL Mexican Marines using their training, contacts and intel. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-34-commandos-created-mexicos-most-brutal-drug-cartel-2015-3 Regular Mexican Army at individual unit levels are probably assisting smugglers, at their GO & SES level, the corruption / collusion is more subtle the pussies at DoS would piss their panties if anyone actually called them on it but if we get a President Donald J. Trump, maybe... https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126977941 https://americanfreepress.net/html/mexican_military_escorting.html Coming sooner than we think: Edited June 12, 2016 by Clark Griswold grammar
Clark Griswold Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 New year, same problem... https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/12/31/breaking-cartel-gunmen-fire-border-patrol-agent-arizona/ Build the walls, fences, security systems, expand CBP/ICE, deploy the Guard (Army/Air) permanently to secure the large open areas not physically blocked. If it takes a lot of money, so be it, if it keeps a POS like this guy out: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mexican-man-charged-rape-19-deportations-removals-44472938 It's worth it. 2
HeloDude Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Wasn't sure to put this here or the WTF thread... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/11/30/jury-reaches-verdict-in-steinle-murder-trial/ Unfortunately I wasn't too schocked...it just further shows the decline of our culture/values, especially in places like San Fran and Cali. I've seen more outrage from the left for killing a gorilla in a zoo or lion in Africa... 2
Prozac Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 I was initially surprised as well. After reading some details the waters are a bit muddy on this one. Apparently Steinle’s death was the result of a ricochet. Sounds like prosecutors were overzealous and went after murder charges in addition to involuntary manslaughter. I can understand not convicting on the murder charges (which would still have been plenty controversial), but not sure why an involuntary manslaughter charge wouldn’t have stuck easily. Maybe someone with some legal expertise can chime in. 1
HuggyU2 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, Prozac said: ... but not sure why an involuntary manslaughter charge wouldn’t have stuck easily. Because the prosecution would have had to prove "criminal negligence", and "brandishing a weapon", which is in a rude, angry or threatening manner.
Prozac Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: Because the prosecution would have had to prove "criminal negligence", and "brandishing a weapon", which is in a rude, angry or threatening manner. Well, there you go. So, justice served then? While stricter immigration laws/enforcement might well have prevented the incident, that wasn’t the purview of the case. Seems there was insufficient evidence to convict. Perhaps the verdict will spur some more informed discussion on our immigration policy. While I generally support a more liberal policy, I’m willing to say that this individual probably shouldn’t have been roaming around the streets of San Francisco freely. Maybe dems would be willing do discuss some stricter deportation enforcement in exchange for say republican support for a better migrant work policy that allows hardworking, law abiding people to be in the country legally and long term. The sad reality though is that the verdict will push people on both sides further into their respective corners. 1
RTB Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 13 hours ago, HeloDude said: Wasn't sure to put this here or the WTF thread... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/11/30/jury-reaches-verdict-in-steinle-murder-trial/ Unfortunately I wasn't too schocked...it just further shows the decline of our culture/values, especially in places like San Fran and Cali. I've seen more outrage from the left for killing a gorilla in a zoo or lion in Africa... What a sad joke of a justice system. This verdict is indefensible. 1
nsplayr Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/ I found this to be a good discussion of the trial and why the verdict was what it was. Found it compelling to think both A) Zarate definitely fired the weapon, yet also B) there is reasonable doubt that he committed first degree murder. And before “RIP my mentions,” I don’t think he should have been in this country and I’m not that big a fan of the idea of sanctuary cities. His immigration status isn’t really germane to the sentencing in this case re: manslaughter (what he should have been convicted of IMHO), and first degree murder. 1
MD Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Looks like there's an arrest warrant out for him for felon in possession of a firearm as well as felony immigration violations now. Had a BP agent in Tucson sector just the other day attempting to apprehend a group of 6 illegals on the west side of the Babo mountains. One of them fought with him as he was trying to cuff him up and the illegal managed to get hold of the agent's gun. Another agent there on scene shot and killed the illegal. This is the third assault on agents this past month that resulted in injury to an agent. And there was the death of the Van Horn station agent just the other week. Still dangerous as ever out there. 1
Clark Griswold Posted December 2, 2017 Author Posted December 2, 2017 I️ was also surprised by the verdict - manslaughter in this non-lawyer’s opinion was the provable crime and my cynical side says the SF DA’s office new that but went for murder to quell conservatives nationwide knowing they would not get a conviction The Sanctuary Cities movement and now CA as a Sanctuary State is an insult and threat.Build the security systems (walls/fences/patrols/surveillance)Increase enforcement on illegal aliens and their enablersSanction govs that refuse to accept their deported citizens backRinse lather repeat
Lawman Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 13 hours ago, nsplayr said: https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/ I found this to be a good discussion of the trial and why the verdict was what it was. Found it compelling to think both A) Zarate definitely fired the weapon, yet also B) there is reasonable doubt that he committed first degree murder. And before “RIP my mentions,” I don’t think he should have been in this country and I’m not that big a fan of the idea of sanctuary cities. His immigration status isn’t really germane to the sentencing in this case re: manslaughter (what he should have been convicted of IMHO), and first degree murder. But we can and should have both discussions. 1. Was his sentencing and trial fair.... no. Seriously guns do not just “go off.” His negligence/stupidity led to that weapon firing same as if he was in a car randomly touching stuff and ran her over. It’s pitiful that wasn’t the standard applies. 2. Sanctuary cities and their contribution to the death of the victim. Zarate wasn’t arrested by SF.... he was in Federal Custody. SF actively extradited him to the city to stand for a 20 year old drug Warrant, they didn’t charge him, and then through policy refused to hold him so he could be returned to Federal Custody. WTFO!? How is the city, and the state not called to task for that by the media. Somehow supporters of these policies or the #resist people against all things Trump seem to be ignoring that fact entirely. If I was the families lawyer I would be naming the city, DAs office, and State in a hell of a civil case for setting the conditions which directly contributed to the victims death. 1
nsplayr Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) I mean, firearms accidentally discharge regularly. Not saying that’s necssarrily what happened here, but no one but Zarate really knows. The fact that the single bullet richoched off the ground before it struck Steinle to me makes a much stronger case for involuntary manslaughter than first degree murder. Then again I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express law school so take that for what it’s worth. I agree with you generally that the way the state and city handled his detention (or lack there of) immediately before the shooting was poor. I’m a fan of sane, just national policies in a lot of cases and immigration fits that bill to me. We’re one nation, we need one smart policy that applied everywhere. That being said, there’s an inherent tension in both parties where they don’t want the feds dictating policy on some things (immigration enforcement and marijuana on the left for instance, school prayer and abortion and many other issues on the right), yet they want the feds to impose their preferred policies on those who they disagree with. Just as long as we’re all honest about that duality these are policies that should be widely discussed and debated. Edited December 2, 2017 by nsplayr 2
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