Maj Gen Keltz fired

[Duck]

Just saw the news that 19th Air Force Commander was fired (resigned, lol) for inappropriate comments made in an Air Force forum. Anyone know what he said?

https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/04/30/19th-air-force-commander-steps-down/26632917/

[Butters]

"And the Doctor said.. Rectum? Damn near killed him!"

[Bender]

I have no knowledge of what was said, but I bet a solid, "What a fucking drunk" within earshot of the panel would be good enough to generate this result.

We'll find out the specifics eventually...

Bendy

[Azimuth]

Didn't 19th deactivate a few years ago?

[Right Seat Driver]

Didn't 19th deactivate a few years ago?

Yes.

https://www.jbsa.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123310712

[M2]

Didn't 19th deactivate a few years ago?

It did, but it was resurrected...

19AF was inactivated on 9 July 2012 as a cost-cutting measure by the Secretary of the Air Force. The command was reactivated on 1 October 2014 when it was determined that the cost-cutting measures did not reap the savings expected...

[Jughead]

Anyone know what he said?

From the comments section of JQP's blog about it:

"SAPR training obviously hasn't worked because every time I see McSally talk about A-10s I get a tent in my flight suit."

Posted by "Jim Young"; you, sir, have won the internet for today!!

Edited May 1, 2015 by Jughead

[ThreeHoler]

Apparently comparing the accused to 10,000 drunk <insert race> is not cool.

[Vetter]

Indians

[Dupe]

I had a GO once tell me that the process to retire as a GO is insane. Maybe this guy figured it out...

[Herk Driver]

It was not an inter webs "forum."

ThreeHoler and Vetter got it, except there are one too many zeros.

Edited May 1, 2015 by Herk Driver

[Fifty-six & Two]

ThreeHoler and Vetter got it, except there are one too many zeros.

Not according to the blog.

[Herk Driver]

Not according to the blog.

Then the blog must be right...

[Fifty-six & Two]

Then the blog must be right...

Were you in the room and actually heard what Keltz said or are you just insinuating that the account given to TC is incorrect?

[HerkFE]

MG Keltz...was he wing king at Salem back around 2004?

[Fifty-six & Two]

MG Keltz...was he wing king at Salem back around 2004?

Yes, 04-05

[pawnman]

Apparently comparing the accused to 10,000 drunk <insert race> is not cool.

Especially not BEFORE the court martial starts.

[Azimuth]

Especially not BEFORE the court martial starts.

It wasn't a court martial.

[BFM this]

It wasn't a court martial.

Which is interesting, because, as I read it, it should have gone that way.

As in, the Captain should have said: "Ima let you finish, general, but I will take the court martial now, thanks"

[Azimuth]

Which is interesting, because, as I read it, it should have gone that way.

As in, the Captain should have said: "Ima let you finish, general, but I will take the court martial now, thanks"

The problem with that, minus the comment from Maj Gen Keltz, is that if he was found guilty there's much bigger punishment that could be given instead of one handed down from a Art 15. If he had any doubt (or the ADC/Defense) that he would be found guilty in a court martial, he was wise to take the Art 15.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Azimuth

[Dupe]

The problem with that, minus the comment from Maj Gen Keltz, is that if he was found guilty there's much bigger punishment that could be given instead of one handed down from a Art 15. If he had any doubt (or the ADC/Defense) that he would be found guilty in a court martial, he was wise to take the Art 15.

An ADC could press for a court martial then file to get the whole thing tossed due to undue command influence.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Dupe

[Hacker]

An ADC could press for a court martial then file to get the whole thing tossed due to undue command influence.

FWIW, the term is "Unlawful" command influence. Depending on the situation, it can be a very serious charge leveled at a Commander.

That being said, ADCs also know that going to a Court-Martial is a very risky proposition if there is anything else in the respondent's history that could possibly be a detriment. Unlike in a civilian court, charges at a C-M can be modified, changed, or added to pretty much at the whim of the Government. While defense to a particuar charge may be relatively air-tight, the Government has the potential to go for the throat on something else (which is minor and unrelated to the primary event), especially if it is one of those catch-all charges like "conduct unbecoming" or "dereliction of duty".

[guineapigfury]

The problem with that, minus the comment from Maj Gen Keltz, is that if he was found guilty there's much bigger punishment that could be given instead of one handed down from a Art 15. If he had any doubt (or the ADC/Defense) that he would be found guilty in a court martial, he was wise to take the Art 15.

Sounds like the charged officer made the safe call. As an O, they can hit you less hard in an Article 15 than they can hit an E. A Court Martial can leave you with a criminal record, an Article 15 "just" ruins any chance for further promotion. Worst case they hit you with a fine equal to one months base pay.

[HerkFE]

Yes, 04-05

Thanks. I thought the name sounded familiar.

[Herk Driver]

An ADC could press for a court martial then file to get the whole thing tossed due to undue command influence.

Except for the fact that by this point the accused has already elected to accept the Article 15 process. Then the accused also asked to make a presentation and that it be made public. Those decisions then get us to this point...

Back to you regular sport bitching.