Herk Driver Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 On 11/26/2015 at 3:29 PM, Azimuth said: Apparently the brief is out.That checks.
Chuck17 Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 Highly suggest you fellas take a few and go see the safety dudes on this one.Chuck 2
HercDude Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 On 11/26/2015 at 3:29 PM, Azimuth said: Apparently the brief is out.What's "the brief?" The SIB?
Azimuth Posted November 30, 2015 Posted November 30, 2015 On 11/30/2015 at 5:56 AM, HercDude said: What's "the brief?" The SIB?Yes
whall85 Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 On 11/28/2015 at 3:08 PM, Chuck17 said: Highly suggest you fellas take a few and go see the safety dudes on this one. Chuck Expand A big '2' to that. Just... wow.
polcat Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I'm curious as to what the 'fix' will be. Most likely another step added to a checklist. 1
genie90 Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 This is not the environment to discuss anything SIB related. 5
HerkPerfMan Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Is the AIB report also complete? Those usually get released publicly... Side question: any one know where USAF publishes Class A AIB reports these days? The old site hasn't been touched since April 2014.
Breckey Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 The AF FOIA page usually has the executive summaries.
Butters Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 On 12/7/2015 at 4:26 PM, HerkPerfMan said: Is the AIB report also complete? Those usually get released publicly... Side question: any one know where USAF publishes Class A AIB reports these days? The old site hasn't been touched since April 2014. Expand No, but it will not be far behind.
Toro Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 On 12/7/2015 at 3:46 PM, polcat said: I'm curious as to what the 'fix' will be. Most likely another step added to a checklist. Expand As mentioned - go to your safety shop and do not discuss it here.
polcat Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 That's the unfortunate thing for me, no safety shop here since I'm on an exchange tour. It was actually my brother who is in the C-130J FTU who told me what happened.
ThreeHoler Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 On 12/8/2015 at 5:27 PM, polcat said: That's the unfortunate thing for me, no safety shop here since I'm on an exchange tour. It was actually my brother who is in the C-130J FTU who told me what happened. You should be able to request your own AFSAS account in that case. 1
polcat Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 12/8/2015 at 9:55 PM, ThreeHoler said: You should be able to request your own AFSAS account in that case. Expand Thanks, didn't know that.
Ram Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 I'm in a similar circumstance. Anyone wanna toss the link up here? I'll buy ya a virtual beer.
polcat Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) AFSAS is at https://afsas.af.mil. You can also search for AFSAS in the AF Portal. I just signed up for an account. And they denied my access to mishaps since I'm not a safety officer. Go figure. Edited December 10, 2015 by polcat Update
SurelySerious Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 On 11/28/2015 at 3:08 PM, Chuck17 said: Highly suggest you fellas take a few and go see the safety dudes on this one. Chuck 3
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 We got the brief at our CT meeting yesterday. 70 guys in a room and DEAD FRIGGING SILENCE.
Sasquatch Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 As someone who flies but is not military aircrew, I'm naturally curious as to what went wrong. Any insight as to when/where info might be made publicly available? The AF FOIA page was mentioned above, but it (as also mentioned) hasn't been updated in some time. Not asking for anyone to share privileged info, but it sounds like there could be some takeaways from this.
Clayton Bigsby Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Eventually details will come out in the AIB. SIBs are privileged. 1
xaarman Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Accident Investigation Board results will be available in the future. SIBs are completed first, then the AIB convenes to assign blame/fault. SIBs are restricted for educational use only to prevent future mishaps. Sometimes, SIBs contain info or research which if got out could make manufacturers or other companies involved liable. In order for them to cooperate, they must have the assurance that the results will not be made public/cause them legal troubles. Most companies (no first hand experience) will work with the SIB then STFU when the AIB comes a knockin'. 1
fire4effect Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 On 12/10/2015 at 1:43 PM, polcat said: AFSAS is at https://afsas.af.mil. You can also search for AFSAS in the AF Portal. I just signed up for an account. And they denied my access to mishaps since I'm not a safety officer. Go figure. Expand I talked to a guy at the safety center in the not too distant past and the impression I got was they are trying to crack down/control release of sensitive information to essentially safety coded personnel. Apparently too much finds its way into the wild......shocked face.. Of course depending on if any "controversial" information that may be found in any SIB, especially if it relates to any potential human error seems to eventually come out.....I too am curious when/where the AIB will be released so all sectors of aviation may benefit.
Day Man Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 On 1/7/2016 at 9:14 PM, xaarman said: SIBs are restricted for educational use only to prevent future mishaps. Expand LOL 4
xaarman Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 On 1/8/2016 at 2:51 PM, Day Man said: LOL Expand Sorry bro, I know that's the "intent" of the rule for our non military guest asking.... 1
Fuzz Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 That statement should have an * affixed to it "not applicable when MAJCOM/CC is a D-bag". 1
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