Active shooter at Lackland

[Herk Driver]

Hearing there is an active shooter at Lackland as of this hour. Nothing to confirm other than local reporting...multiple victims reported and Bexar Co Sheriff's office is helping clear buildings reportedly.

ETA: https://www.ksat.com/news/bcso-responding-to-shooting-at-lackland-air-force-base

[ExBoneOSO]

Two people are dead in an apparent murder-suicide at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland in Texas, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said Friday morning.

Shortly before noon Eastern Standard Time, the sheriff's office said the situation is contained and that the shooter is no longer active. The base issued a release saying there are no indications the shooting was a terrorist attack.

According to initial internal Pentagon communications obtained by Air Force Times, the commanding officer of a training squadron at the base was shot by an airman. The initial communication may have listed an incorrect squadron.

An Air Force spokeswoman at the Pentagon could not immediately confirm the internal report. Officials have not yet identified the victim or the shooter by name.

The sheriff's office said the shooting took place at building 147 in the Medina Annex, an area just west of Interstate 410. Lackland called the sheriff's office about the shooter at about 8:40 a.m. local time.

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https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2016/04/08/breaking-report-active-shooter-lackland/82787376/

Edited April 8, 2016 by ExBoneOSO

[Herk Driver]

Prelim info says it was an airman at the 347 Training Sq who killed his Sq/CC and then himself.

[Prosuper]

They're shooting there own officers now. I read about toxic leadership but this is getting out of hand . I imagine on base concealed carry is now been buried.

 

[MooseAg03]

Except this is another illustration of how not allowing law abiding CHL holders to carry on base just means those who break the law or plan to are the only ones who will be armed.

I think this is an example of why we need to be able to carry on base.

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[M2]

SAN ANTONIO — A tech sergeant at Lackland Air Force Base was being escorted to a disciplinary proceeding by a senior non-commissioned officer Friday morning when the tech sergeant opened fire in the commander's office, killing the commander, a source with knowledge of the attack said.

The tech sergeant then killed himself. The senior NCO, a first sergeant, was uninjured, the source said.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/crime/article/Bexar-County-Sheriff-s-deputies-responding-to-7236358.php?cmpid=fb-tablet

[ViperStud]

2 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

Except this is another illustration of how not allowing law abiding CHL holders to carry on base just means those who break the law or plan to are the only ones who will be armed.

I think this is an example of why we need to be able to carry on base.

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I'm in the ANG and carry every day. Some on base (SFS idiots) cried about all the buffoonery that would ensue. Fortunately, good leadership told them "noted" and pressed. It's amazing how well things work when you treat adults like adults. 

 

Prayers with those at Lackland. 

[MXQA]

Holy Sh*t!

And the news is bringing stories about the AF considering personal concealed weapons on base..................

I'm retired 6 years now with 30 years in the MX turning wrenches business. Trust me.............there are LOTS of individuals that you DO NOT want toting guns. 

That is some scary sh*t.

Edited April 9, 2016 by MXQA

[sqwatch]

But they can work on jets?

[ViperStud]

I agree.  That being said, you can't make every decision based on the lowest common denominator. Put restrictions in place, require training or a certain rank, and press. 

 

The lowest ASVAB scores in the AF are the ones carrying every day. They're not the ones shooting innocent people. 

[MXQA]

35 minutes ago, sqwatch said:

But they can work on jets?

Yes they do.

These folks are out there making it happen in a truly horrible management environment. It eats some of them up. 

My post was not meant to scare you guys away from your MX troops. These guys and gals would give their life for you if it meant a successful and safe flight.

But I would not like seeing them carrying heat on base. 

Edited April 9, 2016 by MXQA

[Herk Driver]

Holy Sh*t!

And the news is bringing stories about the AF considering personal concealed weapons on base..................

I'm retired 6 years now with 30 years in the MX turning wrenches business. Trust me.............there are LOTS of individuals that you DO NOT want toting guns. 

That is some scary sh*t.

And lots of those still won't be allowed to regardless of what happens. Stop with the sky is falling argument. This is not an either / or argument and there are reasonable solutions to this problem. Unfortunately this Airman was breaking the law when he carried this weapon on base in the first place, unless Lackland has recently implemented a new policy we haven't heard about. Explain how not having a concealed carry policy on base did or would have prevented this disaster.

[SnapLock]

2 minutes ago, MXQA said:

Yes they do.

These folks are out there making it happen in a truly horrible management environment. It eats some of them up. We had a good track record of catching these guys before they really got dangerous. These are young kids pushed to the max and beyond.

My post was not meant to scare you guys away from your MX troops. These guys and gals would give their life for you if it meant a successful and safe flight.

But I would not like seeing them carrying heat on base. 

Then I think you'd be surprised who is carrying heat off base.  I see nothing wrong with letting people do something that is written into the constitution.  Who knows, it might actually deter people from doing things like what happened today.

[MXQA]

27 minutes ago, SnapLock said:

Then I think you'd be surprised who is carrying heat off base.  I see nothing wrong with letting people do something that is written into the constitution.  Who knows, it might actually deter people from doing things like what happened today.

Think about a stressed out Senior Airman, at wit's end, looking at a bad and career ending EPR coming with a family to feed,  and nowhere to go.  

This in common place.

Do you really want someone like this to be legally able to carry a weapon on base?  Really? 

It's cool to test rights..............it's another thing in the cold light of reality.

Edited April 9, 2016 by MXQA

[tac airlifter]

21 minutes ago, MXQA said:

Think about a stressed out Senior Airman, at wit's end, looking at a bad and career ending EPR coming with a family to feed,  and nowhere to go.  

This in common place.

Do you really want someone like this to be legally able to carry a weapon on base?  Really? 

It's cool to test rights..............it's another thing in the cold light of reality.

Assuming that person is allowed to carry off base, why not let them carry on base?  And how exactly do you propose to protect us against the random nut jobs who carry illegally?  

This whole "cold light of reality" thing is nonsense.  You have no idea who is carrying next to you legally or illegally off base, and no idea who is carrying illegally next to you on base.  That's the cold reality: you have no idea who is doing what.  So why make rules that only responsible people will follow, to their detriment?  Your attitude is irresponsible.

[SnapLock]

23 minutes ago, MXQA said:

Think about a stressed out Senior Airman, at wit's end, looking at a bad and career ending EPR coming with a family to feed,  and nowhere to go.  

This in common place.

Do you really want someone like this to be legally able to carry a weapon on base?  Really? 

It's cool to test rights..............it's another thing in the cold light of reality.

I'm not looking to get into a huge political discussion with you.  This thread is not the place for that.  What I will say is that there are Wing Commanders out there that let people conceal carry on their bases.  As someone else said the people with the lowest ASVAB scores are the ones carrying guns on our bases daily (SF), yet combat pilots and other AFSC's who operate very powerful (and expensive) machinery daily and have a lot of power at their fingertips would get in a lot of trouble for carrying a concealed weapon on base.  Doesn't make sense.  IMO this boils down to the 2nd amendment.  I'm for less government and treating people like adults.  When you do that people tend to react positively.  The AF treats everyone like children who sh!t the bed daily.  How is that working out?  

[HuggyU2]

34 minutes ago, MXQA said:

Think about a stressed out Senior Airman, at wit's end, looking at a bad and career ending EPR coming with a family to feed,  and nowhere to go.  

This in common place.

Do you really want someone like this to be legally able to carry a weapon on base?  Really? 

It's cool to test rights..............it's another thing in the cold light of reality.

I had a long rebuttal to your post in mind..,. but figured it would be more productive to open a nice bottle of Cabernet. 

No worries... I'll hit the gun range after church on Sunday. 

Edited April 9, 2016 by Huggyu2

[Bode]

Just going to throw this out there. Does previous mentioned SrA really carry if it's legal or not when he wants to shoot up the place? You think this TSgt has authorization to carry?

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[MXQA]

15 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Assuming that person is allowed to carry off base, why not let them carry on base?  And how exactly do you propose to protect us against the random nut jobs who carry illegally?  

This whole "cold light of reality" thing is nonsense.  You have no idea who is carrying next to you legally or illegally off base, and no idea who is carrying illegally next to you on base.  That's the cold reality: you have no idea who is doing what.  So why make rules that only responsible people will follow, to their detriment?  Your attitude is irresponsible.

 

Irresponsible.............NO

Carry off base...............fine

Carry on base.............that's the job we pay SF to do. 

You are arguing 2nd Amendment  rights vs the stark reality of base security. 

Do you really want cowboy law brought into an AF base? 

If so, sad times will be among us...................our SF folks just can't protect us. 

Edited April 9, 2016 by MXQA

[SnapLock]

2 minutes ago, MXQA said:

our SF folks just can't protect us. 

Correct!  There... something we can agree on!

[MXQA]

Hey,

I'm a gun owner and I hunt. I'm not here to be some anti-gun wacko.

I'm just saying that personal carry has no room on base. The gate guards and SF have the responsibility to keep the base safe. If we can't trust them, where does the trust stop? 

Are you guys doubting the jets you fly? Has the distrust gone this far?

As #d up as the system is, we have to keep the faith and make it work. 

I still work for DoD, and I still bleed blue.

Do we really need Dodge City cowboy law on a base? 

[hispeed7721]

Do you really want cowboy law brought into an AF base?

Cowboy law...seriously dude? So everywhere off base that allowed concealed carry is practicing cowboy law, right?

Stop with the sensationalist emotional reaction. Citizens carrying legally concealed weapons has saved numerous lives, and if permitted on base would have the same result. Stop making an argument based on rhetoric and emotion.

[hispeed7721]

Hey,

if we can't trust them, where does the trust stop? 

Are you guys doubting the jets you fly? Has the distrust gone this far?

No one said they don't trust mx to do their job...I don't really know what that has to do with anything

I still bleed blue.

Well, there's the main problem right there

[MooseAg03]

I'm still wondering which Wing Commanders allow concealed carry on base. If someone knows, can you put them in touch with the 99th ABW/CC, please?

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[MXQA]

Just now, hispeed7721 said:

Cowboy law...seriously dude? So everywhere off base that allowed concealed carry is practicing cowboy law, right?

Stop with the sensationalist emotional reaction. Citizens carrying legally concealed weapons has saved numerous lives, and if permitted on base would have the same result. Stop making an argument based on rhetoric and emotion.

You are talking citizens..............vs..............members of the US military. 

Big difference, 

Are we so scared and not trusting in our base security that we fell the need to arm ourselves? 

Not being emotional or rhetorical at all...............and I'm definitely not some max zoom gung ho Koolaid drinker.....................never was. 

I guess current politics will dictate the ways of the AF,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sad as it might be.,