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LookieRookie Gray Beard

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"ALL social networks and allegedly blocked sites are ACCESSIBLE through the Google DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4)."

 

Others are recommending if you're in Turkey to set up a VPN.

 

 

Clark Griswold Gray Beard

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From Wikipedia so take with some salt but seems reasonable on what aircraft Erdogan could be on, how long he could stay airborne, how far he could get if anyone offered him asylum...

The government of Turkey has a VIP fleet which is managed by Turkish Airlines on behalf of the President of the Republic and Prime Minister. The fleet primarily consists of an Airbus A319 CJ(TC-ANA) and a highly modified and armed (Air Defense missiles) Airbus A330-200 PRESTIGE (TC-TUR). The fleet additionally contains 2 G550, 2 GIV and 2 Cessna Citation V. When the President of the Turkish Republic of any aircraft the call-sign is "Turkish Republic One- Heavy".

If not Germany then another NATO country I guess would be his best spot to land.

 

Just saw he landed in Iran - wants to go to Qatar

Mandatory SNAP

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This is another one of those situations that is extremely frustrating to watch in the news. The Turkish military sees itself as the protector of secular government and secular institutions. Not that disorder and death on the streets is a good thing, but coups in the past in Turkey have restored that secular balance. Just another situation where the news gets the basics wrong. This coup may not succeed, and it may not save Turkey from an Islamist bent like it has in the past, but they can't even provide some historical perspective. I guess I'm not really that surprised. Hope our people stay safe.

 

Edit: Not saying the coup is right, or that this is one of the coup d'tats as seen in the past, just frustration with poor reporting.

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Herk Driver Gray Beard

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"You win or you die" ?

Some of the conventional wisdom out there is that Erdogan staged this "coup" in order to consolidate power and purge the military and judiciary. In the modern era, under constitutional mandate given it from Ataturk, the Turkish military has executed multiple coups when the government moved away from its secular roots. In those, the military held the PM, took over media and was successful. None of that happened here. Time will tell. This was either a wag the dog moment or a vast departure from previous successful military coups.

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Clark Griswold Gray Beard

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29 minutes ago, Herk Driver said:

Some of the conventional wisdom out there is that Erdogan staged this "coup" in order to consolidate power and purge the military and judiciary. In the modern era, under constitutional mandate given it from Ataturk, the Turkish military has executed multiple coups when the government moved away from its secular roots. In those, the military held the PM, took over media and was successful. None of that happened here. Time will tell. This was either a wag the dog moment or a vast departure from previous successful military coups.

Yup - my tin foil hat is on as this does not seem unreasonable given the historical track record of successful vs unsuccessful coups

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693729/Did-Erdogan-STAGE-coup-based-Turkish-cleric-facing-extradition-botched-rebellion-claims-president-orchestrated-plot-justify-clampdown-civil-rights.html

I hope all is well for our folks at Incirlik; shit is getting very real, they arrested the Turkish Wing Commander there:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-arrests-incirlik-air-base-commander-1468760920

Turkey is important but as long as Erdogan and his cronies are in power and slowly changing it to a quasi Islamic authoritarian state, we should greatly cool our support and engagement with him.  

Having Turkey solidly in our camp is great for the geography, airspace and logistics to deal with the various crises out of the ME but given Erdogan, it may be something the West will have to do without.

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Prosuper Gray Beard

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Incirlik was my second home in the 90's, I wonder if the Turks will make a play and confiscate our equipment there. Just getting parts to fix aircraft and dealing with Turkish customs takes days. They have a nasty habit of when you turn in a vehicle to the motor pool for inspection they condemn it , repaint it, then put Turkish AF reg numbers on it. Had to endure 2 strikes by the on base Turkish workers which closed down all base services. I imagine they are going through that now. I hope Erdogon remembers the majority of his Air Force has to have USAF logistics to keep flying. 

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Prosuper Gray Beard

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Thinking long term here, if we lose Incirlik our next move is to fully support the Peshmerga Kurds militarily and economically. The only reason this has not happened is because we want to keep using Incirlik. I also think that is the least of Erdogon worries is us or the Kurds. Putin will not be happy having his Black Sea fleet and oil tankers not being able to use the Bosphorus Strait. The next question after that, does NATO honor it's treaty obligations if Turkey and Russia lock horns.

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matmacwc Gray Beard

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4 hours ago, Herk Driver said:

Some of the conventional wisdom out there is that Erdogan staged this "coup" in order to consolidate power and purge the military and judiciary. In the modern era, under constitutional mandate given it from Ataturk, the Turkish military has executed multiple coups when the government moved away from its secular roots. In those, the military held the PM, took over media and was successful. None of that happened here. Time will tell. This was either a wag the dog moment or a vast departure from previous successful military coups.

Chavez did it.

Lawman Gray Beard

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Thinking long term here, if we lose Incirlik our next move is to fully support the Peshmerga Kurds militarily and economically. The only reason this has not happened is because we want to keep using Incirlik. I also think that is the least of Erdogon worries is us or the Kurds. Putin will not be happy having his Black Sea fleet and oil tankers not being able to use the Bosphorus Strait. The next question after that, does NATO honor it's treaty obligations if Turkey and Russia lock horns.

If we walk away from Article 5 than NATO is unofficially over. Better we kick Turkey out of NATO preemptive to them dragging us into the shit storm rather than avoid keeping our word.

Seriously the only thing keeping Russia from pulling a Crimea out in Latvia, Estonia, etc is them wanting to avoid an actual shooting war where the possibility of escalation exists.

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MD Flight Lead

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Our airstrikes against ISIS need to target the center of that group's local power base and provider of material support: Erdogan himself. And his cronies.

Should've taken his jet down while they knew where it was.

 

Clark Griswold Gray Beard

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2 hours ago, Lawman said:

If we walk away from Article 5 than NATO is unofficially over. Better we kick Turkey out of NATO preemptive to them dragging us into the shit storm rather than avoid keeping our word.

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This is a long time coming but Erdogan and company need to be shown the door:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-weiss/its-time-to-kick-erdogans_b_9300670.html

Just to put a cherry on top of it after kicking their a$$ to the curb, cozy up to Greece...

The shoot down of the Su-24 should have started the process (at least pushing the other members publicly for it) but as always, the Leader from Behind just let an opportunity pass.

He's supporting ISIS, he's undemocratic, an Islamist, a thug and a loose cannon; other than that he's a great guy...

https://www.newsweek.com/impossible-beat-isis-erdogan-power-442767

 

waveshaper Gray Beard

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On ‎7‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 8:05 AM, Clark Griswold said:

Almost did:

At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9

Hero one day and facing Impalement the next. 

Turkey arrests pilots who shot down Russian bomber;

Excerpt; Two Turkish military pilots who shot down a Russian Su-24M bomber over Syria have been arrested in connection with the failed coup last week, the country's justice minister said Tuesday.

The day after the coup attempt, the mayor of Ankara, Melin Gokcek, said on CNN Turk the pilots were involved in the uprising. Specifically, he said one of the pilots belonged to a secret "parallel state" organization allegedly headed by cleric Fethullah Gulen, who lives in self-exile in the United States.

Gokcek told CNN Turk that "our relations with Russia have been spoiled by these villains."

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/07/19/Turkey-arrests-pilots-who-shot-down-Russian-bomber-linked-to-failed-coup/6671468942405/?spt=sec&or=tn

Fourteen Turkish warships are still unaccounted for, their commanders suspected to be among the plotters who sought to overthrow President Erdogan;

Excerpt; The 14 missing ships were reportedly on active duty in either the Aegean or the Black Sea and have not tried to make contact with naval headquarters or report back to the port. The commander of the Turkish navy, Admiral Veysel Kosele, has not been heard from since Friday. Many suspect the warships may be heading to Greek ports.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/rogue-turkish-warships-missing-since-coup/

 

Clark Griswold Gray Beard

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Hero one day and facing Impalement the next..

Fourteen Turkish warships are still unaccounted for, their commanders suspected to be among the plotters who sought to overthrow President Erdogan;

Excerpt; The 14 missing ships were reportedly on active duty in either the Aegean or the Black Sea and have not tried to make contact with naval headquarters or report back to the port. The commander of the Turkish navy, Admiral Veysel Kosele, has not been heard from since Friday. Many suspect the warships may be heading to Greek ports.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/rogue-turkish-warships-missing-since-coup/

Hadn't heard of this, just googled it and they are still unaccounted for, would have thought they would be in port by now.  Kind of Hunt for Red October, assuming it is mainly the officers who were part or supporters of the coup.

waveshaper Gray Beard

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1 hour ago, Clark Griswold said:

3 days and still on generators at Incirlik:

At least the Turks haven't cut our fuel supply "yet". Example; DLA-owned fuel stored throughout the Western/Eastern Turkish NATO Pipeline System (TNPS), Yumurtalik Pipeline, and 5 Turkish COCO facilities.

These are 2006 quantities/fees charged; I'm sure they have changed since 2006.

E.1.1. Storage. $1.12 U.S. dollars per barrel per year for 500,000 barrels (79.500 m3).
E.1.2. Transportation. Transportation of up to 2,700,000 barrels (429,300 m3) of F34 annually from point of entry to delivery points specified in Annex D for the following costs:
E.1.2.1. Into Incirlik Air Base by pipeline from Adana NATO—$0.36 U.S. dollars per barrel
E.1.2.2. Into Tank Truck at the following locations:
E.1.2.2.1. Adana COCO—$3.00 U.S. dollars per barrel
E. 1.2.2.2. Elazig COCO—$5.01 U.S. dollars per barrel
E.1.2.2.3. Diyarbakir—$5.38 U.S. dollars per barrel
E.1.2.2.4. Batman—$7.12 U.S. dollars per barrel
E.2. Antalya. In case the fuel is off-loaded at Antalya Sea Terminal, public transportation fee shall be charged separately. DESC shall be responsible for funding costs to transport F34 from Antalya to Mersin if MOD-ANT has no product in the Eastern TNPS to

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