Navy to AirForce transition (Do you have to go through SERE - again?)

[GoGoJuice88]

Hello Everyone! 

I'm an ex navy pilot in the process of swapping from gold to silver wings. I remember when I graduated from navy SERE, the guy who handed me my graduation certificate told me to place a copy in a safety deposit box. Despite the fact I have all my SERE documentation in order, I was recently told I will have to attend air force SERE and would like to see if anyone has made the gold to silver transition without attending air force SERE. Or, if you haven't made the transition, do you know anyone else I can reach out to for clarification? I'll name my firstborn grandchild in your honor if you can help me get out of this. Thanks everyone! 

[BFM this]

SERE? No. Who's telling you otherwise? Might have to dig into the actual regs (get used to it, part and parcel of the AF experience)

Water survival? Yes. (I know, you've been trained to swim by the worlds largest Navy: the AF doesn't give a shit.)


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[GoGoJuice88]

Thanks BFM. I'm the first navy guy our squadron has taken in for several years and we were told by AF SERE/USAFR AFRC HQ AFRC/A3R:

From the SERE functional here: "US Navy SERE Training is not equivalent to
USAF SERE training.  US Navy SERE training has a separate training standard,
additionally Navy SERE training does not meet the same training line items
as USAF SERE training.  The officer will have to accomplish S-V80-A (SERE),
S-V80-B, and S-V90-A."

Do you know where I should start looking in AF regs? Thanks a T-O-N! 

 

[BFM this]

Regs might have changed in the 12 years since I bypassed SV-80 with my NAS Brunswick certificate.
Find the source reg directing the SERE requirements (which looks like what they were quoting)


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[BFM this]

AFI 16-1301 no longer has specific verbiage, which it did when I crossed this bridge...


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[hispeed7721]

I went through SERE 7 years ago and I had a former enlisted Navy guy in my class. He specifically talked about going to navy SERE as well, but I don't know his situation well enough to know if that was the norm or if he had something abnormal happen


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[lazlo]

My reserve sq picked up 2 former Hornet guys last year- 1 each navy and marine. I don't believe either one went to AF SERE. I'll ask them about it in the morning.

[GoGoJuice88]

Thanks Lazlo. Also, if they haven't been, would you mind asking me how they avoided it? I look forward to hearing from you.

[GoGoJuice88]

Also thanks BFM this and Hipspeed. I appreciate your feedback as well on this. 

 

[lazlo]

16 minutes ago, GoGoJuice88 said:

Thanks Lazlo. Also, if they haven't been, would you mind asking me how they avoided it? I look forward to hearing from you.

Wilco, no problem.

[Ram]

If you have to do USAF SERE, at least be happy knowing that "your turn in the barrel" means a completely different activity in the USAF.

So, it won't be nearly as much as... *ahem* ... a pain in the ass, I guess.


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[Kenny Powers]

Just type up a memo explaining to them that you already know how to tie a knot, that should get you out of at least 75% of the SERE requirement...

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[ATIS]

12 hours ago, Ram said:

If you have to do USAF SERE, at least be happy knowing that "your turn in the barrel" means a completely different activity in the USAF.

So, it won't be nearly as much as... *ahem* ... a pain in the ass, I guess.


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ATIS

[HuggyU2]

- Call AFPC.  Look up Adriana Bazan on the Global.  

- Who has a lot of inter service transfer folks flying USAF aircraft?  The U-2 Program.  Call them and ask for recent first-hand xperiemce  

 

Edited September 28, 2016 by HuggyU2

[lazlo]

On ‎9‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 2:11 AM, GoGoJuice88 said:

Thanks Lazlo. Also, if they haven't been, would you mind asking me how they avoided it? I look forward to hearing from you.

Sorry for the late reply, opposite schedules on the deployment. My Marine bro said he submitted a (ARB?) giant package (sts) to turn his gold into silver. He included all training certificates and did not re-do SERE or water survival. The issue wasn't brought up any further.  I'll confirm this was the same case with my squid bro as well. 

Hope your experience goes pain/slapless as well.

Cheers,

Lazlo

 

[SocialD]

My class/flt leader in AF SERE was a former Marine Harrier Pilot that was hired to fly Hogs in the ANG. This was circa 2009.  As you can imagine his give a fuck factor was pretty low...can't say that I blame him.    Hope you can get this waived, that was beyond ridiculous.  

[Helopilot]

Just made the gold to silver transition this year.  I did not have to go through again.  The JPRA sets the Level C training standards, so the Navy and AF have to meet the same requirements. 

[lazlo]

Other bro confirmed- produce your USN cert from your NATOPS jacket and you should be good.

[HerkFE]

We had several Navy/Marines in my AF Res unit and I don't recall them having to go through it. Seems like one of our Army (helo) converts did.