Hacker Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/18/2016 at 3:09 PM, VMFA187 said: No F-15 experience over here, unfortunately. But more than my share of flying with a WSO in F-18s. Bottom line - Single seat trumps all. There are WSOs/Navs who are worth their weight in gold, but I would trade them for having to fly with the others. Something about being up there alone, or even better, with three of your buddies who are all in sole control of their machines. Expand How many of your family-model Hornets have a set of controls in the back seat?
VMFA187 Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/19/2016 at 12:54 PM, Hacker said: How many of your family-model Hornets have a set of controls in the back seat? Expand Only 10 or 12 jets for VMFAT-101, our RAG squadron that trains guys to show up to the fleet. Why do you ask? The vast majority are all strictly WSO-configured - Hand controllers only vice stick and throttle. Why do you ask?
tk1313 Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/18/2016 at 3:09 PM, VMFA187 said: No F-15 experience over here, unfortunately. But more than my share of flying with a WSO in F-18s. Bottom line - Single seat trumps all. There are WSOs/Navs who are worth their weight in gold, but I would trade them for having to fly with the others. Something about being up there alone, or even better, with three of your buddies who are all in sole control of their machines. Expand Have you ever flown with "RODNE" in the back seat?
VMFA187 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/19/2016 at 6:39 PM, tk1313 said: Have you ever flown with "RODNE" in the back seat? Expand Not to my knowledge.
tk1313 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 12:34 AM, VMFA187 said: Not to my knowledge. Expand Consider yourself lucky... RODNE = Ralphs On Damn Near Everything 1
Hacker Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/19/2016 at 2:52 PM, VMFA187 said: Only 10 or 12 jets for VMFAT-101, our RAG squadron that trains guys to show up to the fleet. Why do you ask? The vast majority are all strictly WSO-configured - Hand controllers only vice stick and throttle. Why do you ask? Expand Just curiosity -- I'd always heard about USN and USMC 2-seaters not having controls in the back seat, which is different than the USAF where all the 2-seat fighters have had full dual controls.
VMFA187 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 4:13 AM, Hacker said: Just curiosity -- I'd always heard about USN and USMC 2-seaters not having controls in the back seat, which is different than the USAF where all the 2-seat fighters have had full dual controls. Expand No, all fleet configured 2-seat aircraft have hand controllers in the back seat. The WSOs don't bump the stick all the time in the Strike Eagle?
HuggyU2 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) VMFA187, I seem to recall that the RCP flight controls can be installed/removed quickly. Is that true? Edited October 20, 2016 by HuggyU2
tk1313 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 3:47 PM, VMFA187 said: No, all fleet configured 2-seat aircraft have hand controllers in the back seat. The WSOs don't bump the stick all the time in the Strike Eagle? Expand Correct me if I'm wrong, but back seat in the legacy hornet contains either (1) mechanically linked (to the front seat) throttle and center stick or (2) night attack variant containing two hand controllers, one on each side (LH/RH side panel assemblies).
VMFA187 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 5:01 PM, tk1313 said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but back seat in the legacy hornet contains either (1) mechanically linked (to the front seat) throttle and center stick or (2) night attack variant containing two hand controllers, one on each side (LH/RH side panel assemblies). Expand That sounds correct. But 95% of all two-seat variants are the night attack version. No fleet squadrons have any two-stick jets - They're all configured with two hand controllers in the back. Only the RAG trains with the two-stick jets so we can put Instructor Pilots in the back seat for early FAMs and initial flights for various stages while training Cat 1s.
VMFA187 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 4:11 PM, HuggyU2 said: VMFA187, I seem to recall that the RCP flight controls can be installed/removed quickly. Is that true? Expand True. All WSO configured jets have a little nub that you can attach a stick to. WSO-BFM on the road for a quick abeam set was always fun with them reaching down between their legs trying to fly the jet. Some of the smarter ones would bring a PVC pipe... 2
tk1313 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 5:10 PM, VMFA187 said: True. All WSO configured jets have a little nub that you can attach a stick to. WSO-BFM on the road for a quick abeam set was always fun with them reaching down between their legs trying to fly the jet. Some of the smarter ones would bring a PVC pipe... Expand Nothing says USMC fighter pilot quite like flying a nub with a PVC pipe extension from the back seat. 5
VMFA187 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 5:14 PM, tk1313 said: Nothing says USMC fighter pilot quite like flying a nub with a PVC pipe extension from the back seat. Expand Do more with less. 2
HossHarris Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 5:22 PM, VMFA187 said: Do more with less. Expand Do stupid with less 1
VMFA187 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 6:15 PM, HossHarris said: Do stupid with less Expand I hope you were able to pick up on my ever-so-slight sense of sarcasm. 1
tk1313 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 5:22 PM, VMFA187 said: Do more with less. Expand Good line for the ladies...
Hacker Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 3:47 PM, VMFA187 said: No, all fleet configured 2-seat aircraft have hand controllers in the back seat. The WSOs don't bump the stick all the time in the Strike Eagle? Expand Maybe. Not that I ever really remember in 1500 hours flying the jet.
matmacwc Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/20/2016 at 3:47 PM, VMFA187 said: The WSOs don't bump the stick all the time in the Strike Eagle? Expand Only at Mt. Home 1
Ram Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 Is "bump the stick" similar to what the Juvats do at Kunsan? Count me out.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 2
VMFA187 Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 On 10/21/2016 at 2:21 AM, Ram said: Is "bump the stick" similar to what the Juvats do at Kunsan? Count me out. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Expand We partied with them on my last WestPac in late '14 when Trip was their CO. We had a great time.
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