The Next President is...

[SurelySerious]

8 hours ago, drewpey said:

 What I'm saying is any reputable news source

And CNN or Fox News are no longer reputable news sources.  They're theater. 

[bfargin]

20 hours ago, drewpey said:

If the right didn't like Obama, wait until you see what happens over the next several years.  He has and always will be seen as a very centrist political figure.

This is true only because the whole fricken country has lost its compass. Even JFK was far right of Obama. JFK's words would be considered hate speech by most of the progressive crowds today.

[brickhistory]

22 hours ago, drewpey said:

If the right didn't like Obama, wait until you see what happens over the next several years.  He has and always will be seen as a very centrist political figure.

Oct 2008 - "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming America."

Weaponized the IRS.

Obamacare passed on a Democrat party line basis.

Sign two 'treaties' without Senate ratification - Iran nuclear and Paris Climate - both seriously disadvantaged the U.S.

Killed an American citizen without trial.

Unmasked hundreds of American citizens surveilled without any legal warrants.

To point out just a few areas where our definitions of "very centrist" differ widely.

[Azimuth]

On 7/29/2018 at 9:36 AM, brickhistory said:

Investigations against one side are simply partisan witch hunts.

Investigations against the other side are in pursuit of truth, justice, and the American way.

Unless, of course, it's the exact same investigator conducting both investigations.

Then it gets a little tricky...

So, since Mueller is a Republican, it's okay that he's investigating Trump, right?

[brickhistory]

Steven Hatfill is better qualified to answer this question than I.

[Azimuth]

7 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

Oct 2008 - "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming America."

Weaponized the IRS.

Obamacare passed on a Democrat party line basis.

Sign two 'treaties' without Senate ratification - Iran nuclear and Paris Climate - both seriously disadvantaged the U.S.

Killed an American citizen without trial.

Unmasked hundreds of American citizens surveilled without any legal warrants.

To point out just a few areas where our definitions of "very centrist" differ widely.

You sound like Baseops's Hannity.

https://www.dorfonlaw.org/2016/08/how-to-make-dead-irs-conspiracy-theory.html

https://www.newsweek.com/remember-irs-scandal-it-was-fake-news-all-along-681674

Wasn't the PATRIOT Act passed under 43's watch?

[brickhistory]

10 minutes ago, Azimuth said:

You sound like Baseops's Hannity.

https://www.dorfonlaw.org/2016/08/how-to-make-dead-irs-conspiracy-theory.html

https://www.newsweek.com/remember-irs-scandal-it-was-fake-news-all-along-681674

Wasn't the PATRIOT Act passed under 43's watch?

Facts can be inconvenient admittedly without being personal:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/10/irs-apology-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for subjecting Tea Party groups to additional scrutiny during the 2012 election, but denied any political motive

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

In a legal settlement that still awaits a federal judge's approval, the IRS "expresses its sincere apology" for mistreating a conservative organization called Linchpins of Liberty — along with 40 other conservative groups — in their applications for tax-exempt status.

And in a second case, NorCal Tea Party Patriots and 427 other groups suing the IRS also reached a "substantial financial settlement" with the government.

(Please note that I used left-friendly sources so the facts should be the focus not the venue)

 

 

Yes, the original Patriot Act was signed by President Bush.  Written and passed on an overwhelmingly bipartisan basis.

And renewed several times since then on a bipartisan basis.

Unfortunately. It's not something I liked then or now.

Bush was a big-government president.  He did much to accelerate the growth of big government and the diminishing of individual liberty in the wake of 9/11.  

Barry took that start and ran with it, consolidating executive branch power immensely.  With the Democrats' in Congress concurrence.  (I still can't believe Harry Reid went along when Barry made a recess appointment despite the Senate being in session.  The Supreme Court later tossed those appointments as being unconstitutional, but Reid didn't challenge the appointments).

If Obama's policies/actions were so 'very centrist,' he could've gotten buy-in with Congress albeit with compromises as is the nature of politics.  But once he lost his super-majority in the Senate, he went full-on "pen and a phone."

Which makes it easy to undo as is happening presently.

Think for just a minute - Why did Trump beat 16 conventional GOP candidates and a conventional Democrat like Hillary?  Why did/does a GOP-led Congress put up with a special prosecutor investigating this President?

Threaten the status quo beast and it's gravy train and the reaction is swift.

[Guest]

You sound like Baseops's Hannity.
https://www.dorfonlaw.org/2016/08/how-to-make-dead-irs-conspiracy-theory.html
https://www.newsweek.com/remember-irs-scandal-it-was-fake-news-all-along-681674
Wasn't the PATRIOT Act passed under 43's watch?

Shouldn’t you be posting on an Apple Care blog?

[Azimuth]

30 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

Shouldn’t you be posting on an Apple Care blog?

Nah, I’m too busy looking at all the stock I bought as an employee for 125 a share.

[brickhistory]

You didn't build that.

[matmacwc]

On 8/1/2018 at 12:19 PM, drewpey said:

If the right didn't like Obama, wait until you see what happens over the next several years.  He has and always will be seen as a very centrist political figure.

Said no one that read his history, ever.  Centrist don’t hang out with weather underground or reshape the economy putting 20% under government control.  I don’t think there is any worry history will remember him as a centrist, or a good president for that matter.  Love or hate Trump, I think his election is a direct response to Obama.  They couldn’t be more different if they tried.

Edited August 3, 2018 by matmacwc

[MooseAg03]

Claiming old Barry as a centrist is the most full of shit thing drewpey has said so far. Now we know he’s just trolling, so I’m guessing the rest of his BS was along the same line.

[Lord Ratner]

Claiming old Barry as a centrist is the most full of shit thing drewpey has said so far. Now we know he’s just trolling, so I’m guessing the rest of his BS was along the same line.

I disagree. Few people on the extremes believe their positions to be extreme. And when a politician is even slightly less ideologically pure, it seems like centrism.

Hillary was ten times the centrist that Obama was.

[matmacwc]

^This, plus.

saying Obama is a centrist is a physiological trick and a subtle but powerful lie.  People that want the USA to lurch left Will claim this to show anything right of him is extreme.  They pulled this in most Latin American countries and has worked.  

[Vertigo]

On 8/3/2018 at 8:54 AM, matmacwc said:

SLove or hate Trump, I think his election is a direct response to Obama.  

And his failure to get reelected will be as direct response to him.

[tk1313]

40 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

And his failure to get reelected will be as direct response to him.

[Guest]

And his failure to get reelected will be as direct response to him.

I think the coverage by CNN/MSNBC/other liberal outlets is misrepresenting his popularity. I don’t see him losing any voters over Russian Collusion, Stormy Daniels, or insert “scandal” here. At the same time, a strong economy may realize some gains. Absent a strong Democratic candidate who can sway the middle (which I don’t see happening, if anything the Dems double down and pick someone left of Marx) 2020 may be a repeat of 2016 with all the experts flabbergasted when their predictions fall flat.

[Vertigo]

Meanwhile in the real world, Q3 borrowing is now predicted to be $329B, up 74% from last year. Q4 looks worse. So much winning (winning a larger debt that is).

 

[brickhistory]

I've learned to not predict the future - after Hillary coming back from the dead after her first loss to Obama; Obama's re-election after a completely lackluster, especially regarding economic growth which was nil to barely registering, yet he did win.

So, I don't predict an auto-Trump win in 2020.  But, once was enough since it kept Hillary out and exposed some of the shenanigans going on with some of the tools of power.

As to the out-of-control spending, I agree.

But don't remember expressions of concern during the Obama years.  So, it just now matters to you?

So, ginormous spending is bad, but a robust economy is good, especially when it comes to votes.

I look forward to Hillary III/Fauxcahantas Warren/Kamala "Free everything for everybody and abolish ICE" Harris being the 2020 liberal standard bearer.  With Maxine as the VP.  

Dream ticket...

[matmacwc]

Meh, for the most part if they keep wearing vagina hats and drooling over socialists, I don't think the American electorate is going to shift much.  I also think they are trying the same hype train of polls and their own arrogance to try and foreshadow the midterms.  The debt sucks, I wish it was addressed but I know there is only politicians with (R)'s behind their name that would possibly address it (the few) and most of the (D)'s were complaining about a debt ceiling a few years ago.  Nice try.

Edited August 6, 2018 by matmacwc

[Vertigo]

16 hours ago, brickhistory said:

But don't remember expressions of concern during the Obama years.  So, it just now matters to you?

Just because you don't remember it, old man, doesn't mean it didn't matter to me. 😉

[drewpey]

On 8/3/2018 at 3:08 PM, MooseAg03 said:

Claiming old Barry as a centrist is the most full of shit thing drewpey has said so far. Now we know he’s just trolling, so I’m guessing the rest of his BS was along the same line.

It's true.  The new democrats designed their party to appeal to the swing moderates, so they couldn't go too far left at the time.  He campaigned against gay marriage in 2008 for gods sake.  Sure he may have crept left during his tenure...but the right loves to act like he is Bernie Sanders...but that's just not true.  Bernie is largely treated as an exile still today with centrist democrats despite being voted the most popular "Democrat".  I think the new democrats are dieing off and you will see a new group of Cortez-ish democrats start to rise up.  I think lots of Americans see Europe and some of their nations handling some issues so well compared to us, that there has to be a middle ground...particularly with respect to social safety nets and healthcare.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5299337&page=1

The right has swung so far to the extreme that the right regularly lampoons McCain for being a "RINO" despite him voting 83% with the party.  It's comical.  Here are a couple "RINOs" with centrist views:

 

[Azimuth]

21 hours ago, tk1313 said:

 

[brickhistory]

note:  I just grabbed this off the interwebs for the "old man" visual.  I am not a member Facebook nor the group listed on the picture's lower right corner.

[Vertigo]

18 hours ago, brickhistory said:

note:  I just grabbed this off the interwebs for the "old man" visual.  I am not a member Facebook nor the group listed on the picture's lower right corner.

MASH

 

Best show to ever air on tv.