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[brickhistory]

42 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

The funny thing is you actually believe that.

 

And yes I wasn't a fan of Obama's use of EOs. But then I don't remember him using them to fund projects not authorized by Congress either.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-court-ruling-20160512-snap-story.html

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/12/540920671/trump-administration-to-end-obamacare-subsidies-for-the-poor

But the subsidies had never been funded by Congress, and the White House on Thursday said that because there was no appropriation for it, "the Government cannot lawfully make the cost-sharing reduction payments."

[Clark Griswold]

4 hours ago, Vertigo said:

The funny thing is you actually believe that.

Returning that serve...

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/south-bay-news/150-migrants-attempt-to-climb-border-fence-throw-rocks-at-border-patrol-agents

Mass gatherings of Fighting Age Males harassing, attacking and attempting mass illegal crossings is nothing to be worried about /s.

So let me ask you, if Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, etc... sponsored say 1,000,000+ males on trips to Mexico and then direct them to cross into the USA wherever they could without interacting with a civil authority of the USA you would be ok with that? 

They have a "human right" to cross any international border when they want, where they want and for whatever reason they want?

After seeing the political effects on Europe of the migration crisis of 15/16, I'm surprised our enemies are not exploiting the ignorant and open secret subversion of the left, naive extreme libertarians, the pampered and childish "woke" cohort of America and just flood our insecure borders to destabilize our country even further.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Clark Griswold

[Vertigo]

It is one of the first things they teach on physical security that barriers are incapable of keeping people out; that thinking the existence of a wall or door will keep someone out is the absolute worst mistake you can make. There is no such thing as an effective barrier.

Instead, doors, fences, and locks are delay devices, meant to keep someone busy while the the alarms bring responders. In any real physical security scenario, it is really the responders (and the threat of them) that keep people away, not the walls.

Further, when there IS a wall, generally all costs for security and alerting are built into the wall, offering a fantastic opportunity for attackers to plan distractions, costly vandalism, and to circumvent the easily probed security. You k ow how expensive it is to hire a welder to work in the desert, and to haul repair materials out like that? It's certainly not cheap. And then you need an HSI expert to repair and test the security.

But the desert doesn't need another delay mechanism. The desert there itself is the delay mechanism, as it takes days to cross, and there's nowhere to hide.

Instead, we just need an effective alarm. Instead of a wall or barrier, what we need is drones: cheap, efficient cameras capable of quickly being replaced and covering large areas. Put a motion sensor and anomaly detection on the drone platform, have it call out a second drone for continued monitoring, and follow the incursion while alerting the actual border patrol to send out a truck.

This would be far more effective. If a drone goes down or gets shot down, it would be trivial to detect and send replacements and response. All the drones need is a platform for recharging: put them on the border patrol vehicles.

We don't need another delay mechanism; we already have one. We just need an effective alarm.

[gearhog]

Can you provide some examples of highly secure areas that have only alarms and no physical barriers?

[Clark Griswold]

2 hours ago, Vertigo said:

It is one of the first things they teach on physical security that barriers are incapable of keeping people out; that thinking the existence of a wall or door will keep someone out is the absolute worst mistake you can make. There is no such thing as an effective barrier.

Instead, doors, fences, and locks are delay devices, meant to keep someone busy while the the alarms bring responders. In any real physical security scenario, it is really the responders (and the threat of them) that keep people away, not the walls.

Further, when there IS a wall, generally all costs for security and alerting are built into the wall, offering a fantastic opportunity for attackers to plan distractions, costly vandalism, and to circumvent the easily probed security. You k ow how expensive it is to hire a welder to work in the desert, and to haul repair materials out like that? It's certainly not cheap. And then you need an HSI expert to repair and test the security.

But the desert doesn't need another delay mechanism. The desert there itself is the delay mechanism, as it takes days to cross, and there's nowhere to hide.

Instead, we just need an effective alarm. Instead of a wall or barrier, what we need is drones: cheap, efficient cameras capable of quickly being replaced and covering large areas. Put a motion sensor and anomaly detection on the drone platform, have it call out a second drone for continued monitoring, and follow the incursion while alerting the actual border patrol to send out a truck.

This would be far more effective. If a drone goes down or gets shot down, it would be trivial to detect and send replacements and response. All the drones need is a platform for recharging: put them on the border patrol vehicles.

We don't need another delay mechanism; we already have one. We just need an effective alarm.

No.

"The Wall" is a device to perform prevention, dissuading, delaying and directing to harsh terrain device to make interception of the determined illegal crossers highly likely, resulting in a far higher level of security that our current rusty screen door with a broken latch physical barriers are.  You have to have an imposing physical barrier to prevent crossing then quickly melding/disappearing into adjoining urban areas or difficult to scan/detect and physically intercept rural areas.

It is the first step in interception if the illegal crosser is not dissuaded, direct your opponent to where/how you want to fight then finish the engagement.

No doubt it will not prevent all illegal crossings but countries still put up SAMs as they know they dissuade and destroy some X percentage of air aggressors. 

The problem with the detection then interception strategy is the American Legal system coupled with the Globalist Legal / Political / Media Complex.

The warping and perversion of the law is incredible, leftists say they want the "smart wall" because they know even if they are detected and caught, that detection and apprehension did two things:  used up CBP resources that will likely allow leakers just behind them to get in as CBP will be come saturated and then those apprehended will consume legal resources to prevent removal and again just wear the system down.  

Edited February 17, 2019 by Clark Griswold

[Sua Sponte]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

Can you provide some examples of highly secure areas that have only alarms and no physical barriers?

Area 51 airspace

[waveshaper]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

Can you provide some examples of highly secure areas that have only alarms and no physical barriers?

Hillary Clinton's Server?:<)

[Lord Ratner]

Interesting to note all those people who railed against Obama's use of executive privilege are remaining silent on Trump declaring a "national emergency", this completely sidestepping the legislative branch of government to fund his pet project.
 
 

I'm totally against it. He missed his shot when the Republicans controlled the Congress. This is just sloppy.

But tactically it may be smart. He can at least force Democrats to constantly rail against any anti-immigration measures, keeping them as the party of lawlessness and foreign interest. That will play very well come election time, and it got him elected in the first place.

[M2]

Why do we have fences and gates around our military bases then?  Why do prisons have walls, cells and locks?   Why do banks have safes?  Why did civilizations build castles and forts?  Why is the Vatican surrounded by walls, as well as most "celebrities" homes?!?

Walls aren't perfect, but they do a helluva better job of keeping people out than places without them.

[M2]

10 hours ago, Vertigo said:

The funny thing is you actually believe that.

And yes I wasn't a fan of Obama's use of EOs. But then I don't remember him using them to fund projects not authorized by Congress either.

[17D_guy]

For real? That went through Congress...remember we have to pass the bill before we can read the bill?

[MooseAg03]

The wall was passed in 2006. They’ve just played politics with funding it since then.


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[gearhog]

10 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Area 51 airspace

Ha. I don't think anyone is proposing putting physical barriers in the air.

However, Area 51 does seem to lack imposing physical barriers. Granted it's probably not worth attempting to go there, but should we secure the border the same way?

[brabus]

I would be very surprised if the cost to secure the border in the same manner we secure highly sensitive sites didn't significantly surpass the current cost of just building the wall.

@Vertigo I'll give your robot idea support - good idea to use that technology to track intruders and direct CBP.  Even better when said intruders are held up at a physical barrier, giving CBP response time.  My home's barriers won't stop anyone determined from getting in, but they will give my wife and I plenty of time to meet them with firearms in a very advantageous way.

[M2]

 

[Seadogs]

If a leftist NBC says illegal immigration costs the U.S. $54 billion per year and Trump is asking about $5 billion for a wall, I don't think you can make an economic argument against the wall being a "waste of money and resources". 

[BashiChuni]

13 hours ago, torqued said:

Ha. I don't think anyone is proposing putting physical barriers in the air.

However, Area 51 does seem to lack imposing physical barriers. Granted it's probably not worth attempting to go there, but should we secure the border the same way?

apples to oranges

[gearhog]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

apples to oranges

oh good point

[BashiChuni]

38 minutes ago, torqued said:

oh good point

don't make me explain how getting into area 51 is totally different than trying to get into the united states.

i'd hope you're not that dense, but i could be wrong

[JimNtexas]

 Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t President Obama finance a small war in Lybia with an EO?

[matmacwc]

They all do it, he will be challenged in court, he might win, there’s no way everyone in the White House hasn’t thought of these scenarios.  It’s also possible he wants to lose in court, I know that doesn’t make a whole lotta sense and I sound like a (D) but what if he slamming the door on EO’s. He loses in court, all future presidents will be handicapped and he can blame the courts, it’s kind of a smooth move.  The democrats know this as well, you’ll see posturing and MSNBC screaming at the loss of democracy (which is funny considering their sprint towards socialism), but I betcha they don’t fight very hard.  Ever heard of the Patriot Act?

Edited February 18, 2019 by matmacwc

[pbar]

On 2/16/2019 at 4:31 PM, Vertigo said:

We don't need another delay mechanism; we already have one. We just need an effective alarm.

Alarms can be turned off.

[gearhog]

10 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

don't make me explain how getting into area 51 is totally different than trying to get into the united states.

i'd hope you're not that dense, but i could be wrong

How would I make you, and why would I want you, to explain anything? You entered the conversation, created an argument I didn’t make, attributed it to me, and used it as an opportunity to suggest you’re smart. Not interested.

[BashiChuni]

On 2/17/2019 at 5:38 AM, torqued said:

Ha. I don't think anyone is proposing putting physical barriers in the air.

However, Area 51 does seem to lack imposing physical barriers. Granted it's probably not worth attempting to go there, but should we secure the border the same way?

Hmm seems like you asked a question?

anyway not interested either. 

[Sua Sponte]

No Roger Stone talk? Odd.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/roger-stone-instagram-judge.html