The Next President is...

[hockeydork]

53 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Yeah. I would agree with that. Both sides seem to think the other side is evil. Just so happens that the liberal supporters of Biden / Harris happen to be supporting people who are very closely linked to evil things and the destruction of our country. The right seems to want the most prosperous president in history to continue to take the American ideals to new heights and guard against insane organizations hell bent on tearing down society. Antifa and BLM are insanely evil and racist and very unamerican.

So yeah I would agree with you. Seems like both sides thinks the other side is evil.

It’s funny how one side ignores everything from their two candidates past just because orange man = bad.

The system is struggling  because the two party political system is just two polarizing. It's like only having chocolate and vanilla ice cream, when what the country really needs is strawberry. If someone believes heavily in gun rights, so that we can protect ourselves from the formation of a tyrannical government, they will probably go vote red no matter who the candidate is. If you believe in a transition to renewable domestic energy, so that we can strategically protect ourselves from relying on other nations for energy and tanking our climate with fossil fuels, same deal, you're probably gonna go vote blue. There is validity to both sides viewpoints and sometime there will never be a perfect answer. But the country ends up being run by the 15% of people all the way to the right and the 15% of people all the way to the left. The 70 percent of rationale, compromising people in the middle who carry America on their backs every damn day get screwed and have to put up with CNN and Fox News jamming their rhetoric down the masses throats 24/7 365. 

If President Trump loses (yes, President Trump, because he won fair and square last time, and I'm sick of people not respecting the office and just saying "Trump", "Obama" etc), it will be his own damn fault. All he had to do was act professional and respect the system and he would have had term 2 in the bag. When I see a campaign sign on a billboard on the way to work that says "Trump 2020, Trump 2024, Trump 2028, Trump 2032",  what he believes and what his policies are go right out the window and become irrelevant because now he's is threatening the system. And what makes America , America, more so than the space shuttle, hot dogs at the ball game, and fireworks on 4th of July,  is the system. We have term limits for a reason, this isn't China/Russia, he crossed too many lines in my opinion. And that is why I personally could not vote for him this time. 

I think you are someone who cares passionately about the country, and regardless of who you voted for, I do respect you patriotism (handshake), and hopefully both the right and the left can find a way to get Americans helping each other again, rather than the increasing friction that has been taking place. 

 

**Edited** I miss read what you said the first time as "If Joe Biden wins the country will be destroyed". My apologies.

Edited November 6, 2020 by hockeydork

[Sua Sponte]

52 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Yeah. I would agree with that. Both sides seem to think the other side is evil. Just so happens that the liberal supporters of Biden / Harris happen to be supporting people who are very closely linked to evil things and the destruction of our country. The right seems to want the most prosperous president in history to continue to take the American ideals to new heights and guard against insane organizations hell bent on tearing down society. Antifa and BLM are insanely evil and racist and very unamerican.

So yeah I would agree with you. Seems like both sides thinks the other side is evil.

It’s funny how one side ignores everything from their two candidates past just because orange man = bad.

“People have brought up points and logic, and you claim it's not, or they're cherry-picking, or it's not a fact just emotion.  You've been unwilling to look at your own arguments with a critical eye through this whole thing (ex: health care discussion we had on here) or admit something might not be good.”

[Sua Sponte]

 

[Negatory]

You guys would rather think the average Biden voter - not just Antifa and BLM - could be part of a giant conspiracy that stretches across America to falsely deny Trump the presidency than realize that mail in ballots have literally always been more blue than red.
 

You think the government is absolutely inept and can’t accomplish anything, but at the same time you believe that 5+ states can all get away with massive, simultaneous, and complicated voter fraud on a scale that isn’t even within an order of magnitude of anything seen before. You believe this just because the president says it’s happening. Not Fox. Not AP. Not any normal news outlet, just the president.

Put some more faith in your average friend that voted against Trump. The thing that’s actually messed up is that our President is trying to disenfranchise regular voters just because they are not in his favor. It’s messed up to declare victory when you have less than 220 electoral college votes on the first night and declare fake news to anything opposing this. It’s messed up to push for lawsuits to stop the counting on states you have a lead in while pushing lawsuits to continue the counting in states you’re losing. I voted by mail, as is my right in the state I’m registered in, and I intend to keep that right. Have an iota of integrity, and just take the results.

One side hasn’t said anything of the sort. One side will do whatever it takes to ensure a win, even if that is destruction of faith in the literal American system that is the same as it has been for the last many decades.

This election isn’t new, and the problems associated aren’t new. Remember GWB in 2000? I’m sorry that you potentially are going to lose, but we need to pull together and support the actual system of democracy.

[Guardian]

“People have brought up points and logic, and you claim it's not, or they're cherry-picking, or it's not a fact just emotion.  You've been unwilling to look at your own arguments with a critical eye through this whole thing (ex: health care discussion we had on here) or admit something might not be good.”

Uh....you already said that....

[Sua Sponte]

13 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Uh....you already said that....

Shows how well you read. I didn’t say that, someone else did, to you. Still applies due to your baseless rhetoric you keep spewing.

[Guardian]

Saying it’s baseless then saying it’s spewing is emotional. You have yet to say anything constructive or logical.

[Guardian]

Shows how well you read. I didn’t say that, someone else did, to you. Still applies due to your baseless rhetoric you keep spewing.

You’re right. I’m wrong. Confused you with 17D.

So do you have anything to add or clarify on his thoughts or are you just reposting from 10 posts ago just because. In light of it wasn’t your statement, reposting it without clarification needs explanation so I don’t take you out of context.

[DosXX]

41 minutes ago, Negatory said:

You think the government is absolutely inept and can’t accomplish anything, but at the same time you believe that 5+ states can all get away with massive, simultaneous, and complicated voter fraud on a scale that isn’t even within an order of magnitude of anything seen before. You believe this just because the president says it’s happening. Not Fox. Not AP. Not any normal news outlet, just the president.

Not to mention Clinton lost by similarly close margins in key states in 2016. What happened there? One of the most powerful and corrupt politicians at the time couldn't pull it together to 'find ballots' overnight? That race was also not called on election night. She lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by .2, .7, and .8 percent. Fair and square.

 

[dream big]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

 

No one cares dude.  You poke the lion enough times you’re not going to like the outcome.  

[Darth]

I am just tired of everyday being another episode of celebrity apprentice.  Hopefully the Senate will retain republican control and restrain the left's agenda through the 2024 election.

[Seadogs]

There are a whole bunch of allegations of voter fraud. 

 

1. Dec. 14th comes, no one has 270 electoral votes. Electoral college can't vote.
2. SC with 6-4 conservative tilt sends vote to house of delegations.
3. House of delegations has conservative majority, votes Trump in.
4. Senate has Republican majority, they vote Pence in as VP.

Conservatives won't go down without fighting, as they should.

[Sua Sponte]

19 minutes ago, dream big said:

No one cares dude.  You poke the lion enough times you’re not going to like the outcome.  

Oh yeah, what’s the outcome? Plenty of people care, enough to earn 264 electoral votes.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Sua Sponte

[hockeydork]

16 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

There are a whole bunch of allegations of voter fraud. 

 

1. Dec. 14th comes, no one has 270 electoral votes. Electoral college can't vote.
2. SC with 6-4 conservative tilt sends vote to house of delegations.
3. House of delegations has conservative majority, votes Trump in.
4. Senate has Republican majority, they vote Pence in as VP.

Conservatives won't go down without fighting, as they should.

President Trump losing the election isn't the conservatives "going down". 

[Lord Ratner]

On 11/4/2020 at 7:08 PM, Breckey said:

Georgia elected a U.S. Representative who believes a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against President  Trump. People vote for her or AOC for the same reasons people vote for any candidate. 

I had a captain who believes that. It was a wild conversation.

[Lord Ratner]

On 11/4/2020 at 8:48 PM, kaputt said:

That’s exactly why they picked him. His outward appearance is of a moderate. His mental decline however can’t be denied and I highly doubt that major portions of the Democrat party didn’t see that as an opportunity. His health will either deteriorate to the point that he ends up resigning or the radical portions of the left will pull the strings and use teleprompter reading Joe as the mouthpiece. 
 

Admittedly, the R’s making gains in the house and holding the line in the Senate makes it much harder on the dems to implement their plans. 

"They" didn't pick him, the democratic voters did.

 

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders were the undisputed chosen ones of the democratic complex. So much so that analysts and commentators on both sides believed Joe Biden didn't have a chance. But when the voters got their say, they overwhelmingly rejected the socialists. The Democratic machine, to include Joe biden, completely missed that message and gave him a hardcore progressive as a running mate. It looks like he's going to be president, but it would have been no contest if he had picked another moderate running mate, like klobuchar. This all goes to show that no one in Washington has learned anything. Hopefully the Republicans are a bit more studious, because they are poised for a huge victory in 2024 if they take the lessons of trump and apply them to someone who isn't a complete lunatic.

 

And as for Texas turning blue, I talked to a lot of republicans, particularly women, who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump no matter what. My wife is one of them. Put a sane conservative on the ballot and you'll see the Texas moderates hesitant to vote for someone who wants to take away their guns and raise taxes.

[Lord Ratner]

On 11/5/2020 at 7:19 AM, FLEA said:

I'm going to be honest. Politically I detest her. We couldn't be more opposite on so many things. I also don't think she has all of her platforms well thought out. I do not think she's stupid though, just not as expereinced. We take for granted sometimes as officers we have a broad understanding of government, and policy. But at the end of the day, none of us ran for office, and she did. 

Morally though I somewhat admire her. She was unhappy with her circumstances, ran an extremely fierce campaign as an under dog, and stood strongly in front of a wave of criticism on everything from her background to her looks from opponents that would not take her seriously. This ultimately backfired, because now you have to take her seriously. Whether you like to admit it or not, she has political pull and influence. That equates to power, and so long as she had power, she matters. Would love to see some younger Republicans generate the same energy but they largely just don't exist. 

She was also dead nuts on about Amazon. Conservatives really shit the bed on that one.

 

If anybody thinks that the world's most powerful corporation running a beauty pageant for the cities of America, so they would turn over what is usually heavily guarded tax and policy information, so that company could pick the most tax advantaged location to open their next mega center, is somehow what capitalism is supposed to look like, then conservatives don't deserve to be the defenders of capitalism. 

She's just another liberal. Good at identifying problems, bad at identifying causes and solutions.

[Guardian]

https://mobile.twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841?s=20

Twitter hasn’t blocked it. So it must be fake.

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

And as for Texas turning blue, I talked to a lot of republicans, particularly women, who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump no matter what. My wife is one of them. Put a sane conservative on the ballot and you'll see the Texas moderates hesitant to vote for someone who wants to take away their guns and raise taxes.

My wife was the same.  Been a R voter most of her life until 2016.  As much as she hated Hillary she couldn't vote for "grab 'em by the pussy." 

She's tried very hard to see through, but some of policies (re: healthcare) she juts doesn't agree with, and his lack of tact pushes her over.

[Guardian]

My wife was the same.  Been a R voter most of her life until 2016.  As much as she hated Hillary she couldn't vote for "grab 'em by the ." 

Why do the people who don’t like the Donald cut all his quotes short or out of context? Don’t forget he has condemned racism and bigotry lots and lots. And even in the Charlottesville speech he did. Yet people still say somehow it shows he’s racist. I don’t get it. He condemns racist people, kkk, etc and gets called racist. That’s insanity.

Any time people quote the above line, they forget the part before it indicating that the girl wants it and it’s voluntary? If that’s the case and there are two consenting adults, what’s the problem? No male on here has consensual Lt touched a woman on her privates? Or is it just because how he said it and it was between two guys one of which was bragging about being with a particular type of a consenting woman?

And no male on here who isn’t a trump fan has ever talked macho with another guy about consensual sex acts? I say BS.

“And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the .”

“They let you do it”. = he is indicating that it is consentual. Right? Or am I reading/ hearing it wrong?

What does she want from healthcare?

I would agree. For most women or feminine men, the lack of being a gentlemen drives them completely away from him regardless of his accomplishments. I agree. He’s an A$$. A very productive and good for this country A$$.

[DirkDiggler]

28 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

My wife was the same.  Been a R voter most of her life until 2016.  As much as she hated Hillary she couldn't vote for "grab 'em by the pussy." 

She's tried very hard to see through, but some of policies (re: healthcare) she juts doesn't agree with, and his lack of tact pushes her over.

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 My wife was the same.  We live in a battleground state; she has been very unimpressed by Trump’s rhetoric and how he has conducted himself ref the aforementioned tape/infidelity, women in general, healthcare, and COVID.  I personally know several other women I’d describe as pretty centric voters who viewed him the same way.

[Prozac]

2 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

"They" didn't pick him, the democratic voters did.

 

It looks like he's going to be president, but it would have been no contest if he had picked another moderate running mate, like klobuchar. This all goes to show that no one in Washington has learned anything. Hopefully the Republicans are a bit more studious, because they are poised for a huge victory in 2024 if they take the lessons of trump and apply them to someone who isn't a complete lunatic.

 

And as for Texas turning blue, I talked to a lot of republicans, particularly women, who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump no matter what. My wife is one of them. Put a sane conservative on the ballot and you'll see the Texas moderates hesitant to vote for someone who wants to take away their guns and raise taxes.

I was really hoping for Klobuchar as the running mate. Hell, I think a Klobuchar/Buttigieg ticket would’ve been highly preferable to what we got. I really hope the lesson both parties take from this election is that America wants them to moderate. The pessimist in me says they will just double down though. The R’s have seen how a populist cult of personality can charge their base, and the D’s will likely conclude that a more progressive candidate would’ve led to the gains in congress they’d hoped for. It’s kind of depressing. 

[17D_guy]

48 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Why do the people who don’t like the Donald cut all his quotes short or out of context? Don’t forget he has condemned racism and bigotry lots and lots. And even in the Charlottesville speech he did. Yet people still say somehow it shows he’s racist. I don’t get it. He condemns racist people, kkk, etc and gets called racist. That’s insanity.

I never said anything about racism...wtf are you on about?

 

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“They let you do it”. = he is indicating that it is consentual. Right? Or am I reading/ hearing it wrong?

Just to be clear when you talk about the before part and "out of context" you must have just forget this part -

    "I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything....Grab them by the pussy,...You can do anything”

No...that doesn't sound consensual to me.  Especially that "Just kiss. I don't even wait." 

 

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And no male on here who isn’t a trump fan has ever talked macho with another guy about consensual sex acts? I say BS.

I would agree. For most women or feminine men, the lack of being a gentlemen drives them completely away from him regardless of his accomplishments.

We're talking about the ladies in our lives and why they're turned off by Trump's rhetoric.  I specifically said my wife waited through to see if she agreed with his policies, some she did...most she didn't.  COVID response was probably the final straw for her personally, it was for me.  Over it all was a inability to stand they way he communicates anything.

Again you denigrate the people who disagree with you: "feminine men."  Thereby inferring only masculine dudes don't have a problem with his lack of "being a gentlemen."  There are a lot of conservatives who're calling him out right now for "being an A$$" and calling our democratic institutions a fraud.

 

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What does she want from healthcare?

A plan from Republicans that doesn't cause her family to go into bankruptcy because of issues beyond their control.

 

gg, no re

Edited November 6, 2020 by 17D_guy

[Guardian]

Wasn’t responding to you in general. Was pointing out how often he’s taken out of context and misquoted.

Racism. Didn’t say you did say anything about it. Re read my post without biased goggles.

Didn’t forget that part. But no one brings up about getting kissed. Plus he still says they let him. Think we will have to agree to disagree. Did you get an informed consent signature before you kissed your now wife for the first time or touched her elsewhere? Just because it doesn’t “sound consensual”to you doesn’t mean that when he talked about it being consensual that means it isn’t.

I didn’t denigrate the people who disagree with me. And I didn’t say all either. That’s just generally the types of people who don’t agree with conservative policy. Alpha females and beta males. I never said you were one of them nor did I say all of them. You could be the manliest man ever and it doesn’t mean I was talking about you. Not everything’s about you bro.

[Guardian]

I must have missed it. Where did he call our democratic institutions a fraud? I have seen him say that he wants to protect the integrity of the system and that there are a lot of red flags with regards to voting right now.