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[DosXX]

31 minutes ago, Sim said:

And all can be easily checked. Visit that top heavy GOP small precinct and do a hand recount.  There is no "independent" choice. Only Trump Vs Biden. 

That's not what I mean by independent choice. What I refer to is straight from Dr Shiva's video. There are straight party ballots (e.g. your ballot is all republican) and ballots where you can independently vote for every position (e.g. republican president but Democrat rep). That is what is meant by independent choice ballots, and the whole crux of his argument is based on the difference between how these two were reported. What you cited does not show what percentage of ballots were straight party votes, which again is the main premise of his video. If you want to shift to another fraud argument I am more than happy to do so but I am strictly addressing Dr Shiva's video since someone mentioned it was cause for concern and was not being discussed here.

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[Guardian]

Don’t worry. The person that doesn’t label himself as liberal will be quick to get upset about what he assumes (I assume it’s a he/him not she/her) you are saying.

This just in...... https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-analysis-election-night-data-states-shows-millions-votes-either-switched-president-trump-biden-lost/

[Guardian]

Clinton got more urban votes than Biden and every single state except Georgia Michigan Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. That's weird.

[Guardian]

I’m not saying there is fraud. But can you guys admit there are red flags?

[MooseAg03]

If anyone looks at the situation from a purely objective standpoint, then they will come to the conclusion that something weird happened. You can put me in the category who voted the way I did only because I wanted to stop what I see as harmful policies from the other side - but I am no huge Trump fan and I think his never ending merry go round in DOD with regards to leadership and policy hasn't been the most stabilizing force for my life or my mission.  But as we reflect on Veteran's Day today, what does it mean to serve this nation?  We all swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign, and domestic.  The two sides here probably have different views of who that domestic enemy might be, some believe Trump himself is a domestic threat.  Others may think a huge conspiracy that seems to have undermined his presidency from the beginning is the domestic threat (Comey, Brenan, etc.).

I stayed up until 3 am on election night because I was adjusting my sleep schedule for work.  Nobody can deny that something completely unprecedented happened.  I was switching between all different news channels: CNN, FOX, FOX Business, and even Newsmax.  It was quite strange that early projections all favored Biden while the same people refused to call states for Trump in which he clearly had a large lead.  We were conditioned in the weeks prior to the election that mail in votes would sway results as time went on. Then the unprecedented thing occurred - counting in many battleground states ceased unexplainably somewhere around 1 AM EST (best I can recall).  These are the key states to victory by either side, why on earth would the election officials decide to throw in the towel for the night and stop counting ballots?  I've heard one counting location told the Republicans they stopped counting at 10:30 pm, only to continue counting without oversight until 1 am.  Now we have affidavits from people who participated in the process that oversight wasn't permitted to view what was actually going on.  Imagine if the roles were reversed and Republicans controlled county commissioner positions and vote counting in these major urban counties.  If the Republicans refused Democrat oversight of the counting process, we would be hearing that on the media 24/7 non-stop.  There is data that suggests large dumps of mail in ballots were counted late at night that heavily favored Biden - this illustrates that they were not actually sent through the mail but were delivered to counting locations by other means.  If they had been mailed, then they would have been more randomized and they tend to favor Republican candidates as time goes on since rural areas take longer for ballots to be shipped and processed. https://twitter.com/aphilosophae/status/1325592112428163072?s=10

Now you have Biden standing out there in front of a sign that reads "Office of the President-Elect" (which doesn't exist) giving speeches about how he is already engaging in talks with foreign leaders.  This is the same activity that the Trump administration was targeted for during the transition process last time.  Biden doesn't answer any reporter's questions, and then is escorted off the stage, shuffling like an elderly dementia patient.  I've had 3 grandparents die suffering from dementia and other diseases similar to Alzheimer's, the guy is not well.  If the election is certified with Biden as the winner, I fear for his future and what turmoil may come down the road.  Remember he stated during the first debate that he would not claim victory until the election was independently certified.  I'm not sure he remembers saying that.

I have no idea what will happen, I am just a dumb military pilot that has sacrificed a lot for this country.  It pains me on Veteran's Day to see our Constitution being trampled throughout our country.  From new draconian coronavirus lockdowns that obviously haven't worked, additional mandates to only breathe air filtered by a mask (which also hasn't worked the past 6 months), now our election system is being brought into question either by people hell bent on taking down Trump or his craziness in refusing to accept the results.  It's a sad time for our country.

Edited November 11, 2020 by MooseAg03

[Sua Sponte]

You guys are really going hard in the paint about Biden’s cognitive abilities, 25th Amendment, etc. This must be 2020 Parler version of Hillary’s emails. 
 

How many voting lawsuits has Trump’s legal team been successful with? How many have been dismissed?

Edited November 11, 2020 by Sua Sponte

[Sim]

1 hour ago, DosXX said:

I am strictly addressing Dr Shiva's video

Honestly, I do not trust anything and anyone unless there is a long track of being factual and correct.  

I just suggested an easy test to prove and disprove his theory (maybe increase sample size a bit too). The suggested scale of fraud seems just insane. But we've seen insane things in last 4 years. 

Here's more conspiracy theories. 

https://rumble.com/vayug5-description-of-hammer-and-scorecard.html 

[Sim]

And here's another take on current elections progress by youtube personality. 

 

[Seadogs]

You guys do know that some conspiracy theories are real... right? Just because it has the label conspiracy doesn't mean it is fake through and through. 

[Pooter]

According to polling data, a majority of democrats thought the 2016 election was fraudulent while a majority of republicans thought it was fair.  Now a majority of republicans think the 2020 election was fraudulent and democrats think it was fair. 

So you tell me what's more likely:

Option A: Widespread fraud exists and did a perfect 180 pivot in 4 years.

Option B: people tend to bitch, moan, and complain when they lose.

 

 

[Seadogs]

3 minutes ago, Pooter said:

According to polling data, a majority of democrats thought the 2016 election was fraudulent while a majority of republicans thought it was fair.  Now a majority of republicans think the 2020 election was fraudulent and democrats think it was fair. 

So you tell me what's more likely:

Option A: Widespread fraud exists and did a perfect 180 pivot in 4 years.

Option B: people tend to bitch, moan, and complain when they lose.

 

 

Option 😄: you over simplified a complex problem that can't be deconstructed like you did. 

[Sua Sponte]

3 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

Option 😄: you over simplified a complex problem that can't be deconstructed like you did. 

Copy, you don’t have critical thinking skills.

[Seadogs]

Just now, Sua Sponte said:

Copy, you don’t have critical thinking skills.

I like your skills with conflict. Call names and downvote. Effective. 

[Guardian]

Any inputs SLACK?

[Homestar]

2 hours ago, Guardian said:

I’m not saying there is fraud. But can you guys admit there are red flags?

No more than any other election

[Seadogs]

1 minute ago, Homestar said:

No more than any other election

Because in every election, they stopped counting votes in the middle of the night. Because workers were tired and needed sleep. Nothing to see here, heads back into the sand boys. 

[Homestar]

1 minute ago, Seadogs said:

Because in every election, they stopped counting votes in the middle of the night. Because workers were tired and needed sleep. Nothing to see here, heads back into the sand boys. 

Keep saying it and maybe someday it will come true. It’s Trump’s playbook. 
 

Meanwhile, on January 21, 2021 Joe Biden will be sworn in as #46. I truly feel sorry for those who can’t see beyond the conspiracies and Trump’s lies and bullshit. 
 

 

[Seadogs]

7 minutes ago, Homestar said:

Keep saying it and maybe someday it will come true. It’s Trump’s playbook. 
 

Meanwhile, on January 21, 2021 Joe Biden will be sworn in as #46. I truly feel sorry for those who can’t see beyond the conspiracies and Trump’s lies and bullshit. 
 

 

You are literally sticking your head in the sand and screaming "LALALA". There is video proof. Millions stayed up late into the night and watched it happen. You saying it didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Again, get stuck on the word conspiracy. You my friend have not offered any evidence to support your claims. So you are acting more like a conspiracy cuck. 

[Guardian]

Oh damn. I really wish we were in the same room and drinking. Cause this is to funny not to have a shot and laugh at each other.

Conspiracy cuck. Now that’s funny.

[Sua Sponte]

40 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

I like your skills with conflict. Call names and downvote. Effective. 

Where was the name calling? Better recount my posts 😂 

[DosXX]

1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

If anyone looks at the situation from a purely objective standpoint, then they will come to the conclusion that something weird happened.

No, they would come to the conclusion that there is misinformation spreading like wildfire, and trust the courts to settle any serious cases of voter fraud. 

1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

I've heard one counting location told the Republicans they stopped counting at 10:30 pm, only to continue counting without oversight until 1 am.

Source?

1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

If they had been mailed, then they would have been more randomized and they tend to favor Republican candidates as time goes on since rural areas take longer for ballots to be shipped and processed.

https://twitter.com/aphilosophae/status/1325592112428163072?s=10

1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

From new draconian coronavirus lockdowns that obviously haven't worked

Source? The research is clear that they do work, but whether the economic/social cost is worth it is a matter of opinion/politics.

1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

additional mandates to only breathe air filtered by a mask (which also hasn't worked the past 6 months)

They work, it's not a silver bullet.

1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

now our election system is being brought into question either by people hell bent on taking down Trump or his craziness in refusing to accept the results.

I'll agree here. Any actual evidence of fraud should absolutely go through the court system. But it's definitely the most unlikely case that there is massive voter fraud at the scale necessary to change the results and Trump is undermining the democratic process by implying otherwise (even though he is within his legal right to challenge).

[Homestar]

26 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

You are literally sticking your head in the sand and screaming "LALALA". There is video proof. Millions stayed up late into the night and watched it happen. You saying it didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

Again, get stuck on the word conspiracy. You my friend have not offered any evidence to support your claims. So you are acting more like a conspiracy cuck. 

The burden of proof is not on me to prove that a conspiracy isn't at play here.  

Don't patronize me with "my friend."

[DosXX]

27 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

You my friend have not offered any evidence to support your claims.

The onus is on the accusor. Also stopping counting in the middle of the night has happened in previous elections.

[Seadogs]

1 minute ago, DosXX said:

The onus is on the accusor. Also stopping counting in the middle of the night has happened in previous elections.

Show me when and where. 

[Seadogs]

2 minutes ago, Homestar said:

The burden of proof is not on me to prove that a conspiracy isn't at play here.  

Don't patronize me with "my friend."

Ok. Sorry, enemy.