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[TreeA10]

The "Let's mail ballots to every one on our DMV/voter rolls/residents" technique has not improved the confidence in the outcome.  Perception is reality to some people so why not remove the perception of fraud by implementing a voting system that does exactly that.  The argument, "Well, voter fraud exists but in such small numbers it doesn't matter" gets shaky when win/loss margins are very narrow and, once again, there are enough documented accounts of fraudulent voting or ballot irregularities to challenge the election results or stir up hate and discontent.  Every LEGAL vote should count and every ILLEGAL vote should be discarded.

As an aside, a friend worked with the National Park Service and did a couple 3 month gigs in a park in Kenya.  Their Kenyan election system requires ID and each voter gets purple dye applied to a fingernail which is permanent until the nail grows out.  There are no debates over legal or illegal voting there.

Edited November 14, 2020 by TreeA10

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, TreeA10 said:

As an aside, a friend worked with the National Park Service and did a couple 3 month gigs in a park in Kenya.  Their Kenyan election system requires ID and each voter gets purple dye applied to a fingernail which is permanent until the nail grows out.  There are no debates over legal or illegal voting there.

We can't get people to wear masks to stop a pandemic, but we're going to get them to dye their finger?

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The "Let's mail ballots to every one on our DMV/voter rolls/residents" technique has not improved the confidence in the outcome.  Perception is reality to some people so why not remove the perception of fraud by implementing a voting system that does exactly that.  The argument, "Well, voter fraud exists but in such small numbers it doesn't matter" gets shaky when win/loss margins are very narrow and, once again, there are enough documented accounts of fraudulent voting or ballot irregularities to challenge the election results or stir up hate and discontent.  Every LEGAL vote should count and every ILLEGAL vote should be discarded.

The evidence so far from the Trump lawyers does not support your assessment that the win/loss margin was narrow enough that these results will be overturned.  Getting 10K votes thrown out where Biden won by 150K is a fools errand.  There are yet not enough documented accounts to support those claims.  The Trump lawyer team has claimed there is, but hasn't produced the evidence.

[Prozac]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

The discussion on dominion is pretty alarming, but for now it’s just talk. I’ll care when there’s actually evidence presented to back this talk. However, I do believe it should be looked at. 
 

I’m with Tree - how is it we have failed to tighten the system up to the point no side can use it as a reason to sow distrust in the voter ranks? This should be easy, and I do not understand why people are against some of the easy ways to accomplish this. 

The evidence suggests that we have a pretty tight system. Should we strive to tighten it up more? Sure. But the idea that the system is compromised to the point that the results shouldn’t be trusted is just another one of Trumps dubious claims that is not remotely grounded in reality. Remember 2016 when he won and STILL insisted that there were millions of illegal votes (because his fragile ego couldn’t deal with the fact that he lost the popular vote)? There were investigations after that election and they found the same thing that every voter fraud investigation has: it simply doesn’t exist on a large enough scale to sway an election. Yet it’s a topic that Trump has pushed for years. If election security is such a problem, what has the administration done over the last four years to address it? Not much. You know why? Because it’s an easy trope to fall back on (especially when you lose) that plays well with the base. 

[Sim]

1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

  There are yet not enough documented accounts to support those claims.  The Trump lawyer team has claimed there is, but hasn't produced the evidence.

Here ya go. But something tells me it will be filed as "no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins."

[17D_guy]

26 minutes ago, Sim said:

Here ya go. But something tells me it will be filed as "no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins."

I made it only 1/2 way, sorry.  They need an editor, and a script. 

As I've said before, these are one side of the case only.  They are the Trump lawyers exhibits, and there's already been contested affidavit's (ex. postal worker) showing a lack of strength to the truthiness of all these claims.  Looks like there's 3 lawsuits in Michigan right now, 2 Trump campaign, 1 other supporting.  2 have been denied, this one, which I assume is the last one has not yet been seen by a judge as far as I can tell.  Perhaps there's a 4th, if so it's also been denied as far as I can find.  A lot of these cases have been denied because the affidavits come to the court like this -

"Judge Cynthia Stephens said in a written order Friday that while one plaintiff alleged he was excluded from watching the ballot counting, "the complaint does not specify when, where, or by whom plaintiff was excluded. Nor does the complaint provide any details about why the alleged exclusion occurred."

  So no, it wasn't convincing that there's wide spread fraud in MI, a traditional democratic state since since the first Clinton election that Trump only won by .22% or 10.7K votes.  What's more likely...massive voter fraud, or a return to the blue voting for the past 30 years?  Biden won by current count of 146K.  Which is about what Kerry and Gore took over Dubya.

But there's going to be massive, statewide fraud to "create" 600K+ votes for Biden out of nowhere.  Sure.

[Homestar]

1 hour ago, Sim said:

Here ya go. But something tells me it will be filed as "no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins."

Yup. 

[slackline]

Here ya go. But something tells me it will be filed as "no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins."

Is it just me, or does Uncle Rudy look like he got into Trump's spray tan? Maybe my phone's color is off...


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[Negatory]

3 hours ago, Sim said:

Here ya go. But something tells me it will be filed as "no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins."

I mean, unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani doesn’t exactly have the highest credibility or like ability.  I listened to it, and I agree there could be some things, but unfortunately all of the evidence is entirely circumstantial. All of it.

Heres how GOP leadership actually feels about the allegations in each state. Unfortunately it’s not this one sided conspiracy theory:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/14/election-2020-gop-officials-swing-states-shoot-down-trump-fraud-claims/6271421002/

Also, still looking for someone to explain how the dems lost the senate when they committed so much coordinated fraud.

[Negatory]

Here's what happens when you try to actually look into the bogus lawsuits about dead voters and they actually aren't dead:

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54874120

Also, I know two AD mil folks who legally voted absentee in Nevada. They have since been cited by the Trump campaign, by name, as having committed "criminal voter fraud":

https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2020/11/13/hundreds-of-military-absentee-ballots-are-likely-on-gops-list-of-alleged-criminal-voter-fraud-votes/

[Homestar]

Not surprised. Trump is throwing $hit at the wall and waiting to see what sticks. It’s sad to watch really. Almost like he doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand reality. 

[Guardian]

What happens in the small chance that the court cases hold up certifying the votes so that neither candidate gets 270?

[Negatory]

6 minutes ago, Guardian said:

What happens in the small chance that the court cases hold up certifying the votes so that neither candidate gets 270?

A shitshow.

[Guardian]

A shitshow.

Is that like a good fight with poop?

[Homestar]

36 minutes ago, Guardian said:

What happens in the small chance that the court cases hold up certifying the votes so that neither candidate gets 270?

Doesn’t it go to the senate in this case?

Edit: state delegations of the House of Reps vote for President and state delegations from the senate choose VP. 12th amendment or something. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Homestar

[Guardian]

The house chooses. Each state gets one vote and there are more red states than blue even though there are more blue reps. Happened twice in history. 1801 and 1825 I think

[uhhello]

13 minutes ago, Guardian said:

The house chooses. Each state gets one vote and there are more red states than blue even though there are more blue reps. Happened twice in history. 1801 and 1825 I think

Nope

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

[Guardian]

Scenario one in your link is what I described

[uhhello]

3 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Scenario one in your link is what I described

You're right.  I read it as majority vote in house.  Found another link that explained it.  

[Danger41]

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

[slackline]

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

Beyond awesome! Thanks for the share.


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[Sim]

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326634874988617729.html

 “We have 234 pages of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury alleging election irregularities from just ONE county in Michigan ALLEGATIONS:

•  
• EYEWITNESS saw 50 ballots fed many times into scanner
• EYEWITNESSES say Jan 1, 1900 was recorded in poll book as DOB for many not in book so they could count ballots
• EYEWITNESS saw 35 ballots counted even though not connected to voter record
• EYEWITNESS saw batch of ballots, 60% had SAME signature
• EYEWITNESS saw ballot batch scanned 5 times
• EYEWITNESS saw poll workers marking ballot with no mark for candidates
• EYEWITNESSES saw ballots counted with no signature or postmark
• • VOTER said deceased son was recorded as voting twice
  • EYEWITNESS saw provisional ballots placed in tabulation box
  • PASSENGERS dropped off more ballots than people in car
  • WITNESS told ballots received after election were being pre-dated, counted
  • FAILED software that caused error in Antrim County used in Wayne County
  • GOP challengers not readmitted but Dems admitted

  • GOP challengers forced to stay away while Dems were not

  • GOP challengers physically pushed from counting tables by officials
  • GOP challengers subjected to racial harassment
  • DEM challengers gave out packet: “Tactics to Distract GOP Challengers”

  • Election officials covered windows so challengers couldn’t observe counting

  • Election officials cheered when GOP challenger ejected
  • GOP challenges to suspect ballots ignored
  • Challengers barred from observing ballot duplication process”

   

[Guardian]

Beyond awesome! Thanks for the share.


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Bill Maher and SLACK likes is......probably a waste of time but I’ll giver a go later.

[Sim]

I think AP already called the winner. 🤣

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, Danger41 said:

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

This. This is the most coherent argument against the Left. Those of us who are left of center need to internalize this message. If you’re on the other side, don’t worry, you’ve got plenty of your own wackos to recon with (see pretty much all of Sim’s posts above). 

[Homestar]

38 minutes ago, Sim said:

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326634874988617729.html

 “We have 234 pages of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury alleging election irregularities from just ONE county in Michigan ALLEGATIONS:

•  
• EYEWITNESS saw 50 ballots fed many times into scanner
• EYEWITNESSES say Jan 1, 1900 was recorded in poll book as DOB for many not in book so they could count ballots
• EYEWITNESS saw 35 ballots counted even though not connected to voter record
• EYEWITNESS saw batch of ballots, 60% had SAME signature
• EYEWITNESS saw ballot batch scanned 5 times
• EYEWITNESS saw poll workers marking ballot with no mark for candidates
• EYEWITNESSES saw ballots counted with no signature or postmark
• • VOTER said deceased son was recorded as voting twice
  • EYEWITNESS saw provisional ballots placed in tabulation box
  • PASSENGERS dropped off more ballots than people in car
  • WITNESS told ballots received after election were being pre-dated, counted
  • FAILED software that caused error in Antrim County used in Wayne County
  • GOP challengers not readmitted but Dems admitted

  • GOP challengers forced to stay away while Dems were not

  • GOP challengers physically pushed from counting tables by officials
  • GOP challengers subjected to racial harassment
  • DEM challengers gave out packet: “Tactics to Distract GOP Challengers”

  • Election officials covered windows so challengers couldn’t observe counting

  • Election officials cheered when GOP challenger ejected
  • GOP challenges to suspect ballots ignored
  • Challengers barred from observing ballot duplication process”

   

ERMEGERD!!!!!! ThEY hAvE AFfIDaViTs!!!!!!!