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22 hours ago, slackline said:

Can some of you MAGA/Trump diehards explain why every Republican that doesn’t outright support the unsupported claims of fraud and overturning of Democracy as we know it is now labeled a RINO, or has to worry about reelection? How is this turn of events not seen as a problem on the right? It is totally possible that the GOP loses the Senate because of this sentiment and Trump’s inflammatory words. That is an outcome that is highly undesirable, but they won’t have anyone to blame but themselves. Trump and his MAGA crowd will have effectively handed the senate, and therefore, tons of control to the Dems. Great... I just don’t get it.


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While I don’t think it was Trump’s “inflammatory words” that cost the right the senate (at least one senate seat in Georgia, fingers crossed to keep the other for the sake of this country), I do find Ted Cruz’s grand standing counter productive.  I’m obviously a huge MAGA fan and not ashamed about it but Trump lost.  It’s time for Republicans to deal with it, thank him for his service (sincerely), and focus on their fight against the Green New Deal and its radical supporters the next few years.  Or worse, court packing and going after the electoral college.  Buckle in, hope sticking it to Trump was worth it. 

[slackline]

While I don’t think it was Trump’s “inflammatory words” that cost the right the senate (at least one senate seat in Georgia, fingers crossed to keep the other for the sake of this country), I do find Ted Cruz’s grand standing counter productive.  I’m obviously a huge MAGA fan and not ashamed about it but Trump lost.  It’s time for Republicans to deal with it, thank him for his service (sincerely), and focus on their fight against the Green New Deal and its radical supporters the next few years.  Or worse, court packing and going after the electoral college.  Buckle in, hope sticking it to Trump was worth it. 

Agree with most of your sentiment, but it was definitely Trump’s inflammatory words. You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. He’s the only reason Cruz was grandstanding, to pacify Trump’s crazy followers (not rational people like you, but those that believe he can do no wrong), and Trump’s constant talk about the fake election was more of a motivator for D turnout than anything they did on their own. On top of that, it had to have affected R turnout. It’ll be interesting to see the #s when this is all said and done. My bet is lots of Rs that thought it was pointless so they didn’t show up when it mattered.

This was clearly the Rs race to win, and as has been stated above, Trump’s goal to burn it to the ground seems to have worked... You reap what you sow, and now we’re screwed. Not happy the Ds are in the driver’s seat.

I will say that, at least on the surface, they seem to care more about people than they do about the upper echelons of society like it seems with the Rs. May only be perception, but you know what they say about perception being people’s reality.


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[pawnman]

5 minutes ago, slackline said:

Agree with most of your sentiment, but it was definitely Trump’s inflammatory words. You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. He’s the only reason Cruz was grandstanding, to pacify Trump’s crazy followers (not rational people like you, but those that believe he can do no wrong), and Trump’s constant talk about the fake election was more of a motivator for D turnout than anything they did on their own. On top of that, it had to have affected R turnout. It’ll be interesting to see the #s when this is all said and done. My bet is lots of Rs that thought it was pointless so they didn’t show up when it mattered.

This was clearly the Rs race to win, and as has been stated above, Trump’s goal to burn it to the ground seems to have worked... You reap what you sow, and now we’re screwed. Not happy the Ds are in the driver’s seat.

I will say that, at least on the surface, they seem to care more about people than they do about the upper echelons of society like it seems with the Rs. May only be perception, but you know what they say about perception being people’s reality.


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There's even a video out there where the GOP chair in Georgia is answering questions at a rally, and people keep asking "why should we even vote if the outcome is already decided?" and "what's the point in voting if the Democrats are going to rig the election anyway?"

Turns out when you call the entire voting process into question...you chip away at the motivation of your voters.

Trump's done some good things, but I would be happy to see someone more capable of regulating their emotions in charge of the party.

[M2]

Do people really believe the GOP wanted Trump to be re-elected?

[slackline]

Just now, M2 said:

Do people really believe the GOP wanted Trump to be re-elected?

Umm, the incredibly divisive discussion in here and everywhere else would lead one to believe, yes, yes they did.  

 

You're splitting hairs if you are trying to say, no they just didn't want Biden.  You have members of this forum that have said he's better than Reagan...  You want us to believe they're outliers?

[Sua Sponte]

31 minutes ago, M2 said:

Do people really believe the GOP wanted Trump to be re-elected?

Which GOP faction?

[Darth]

1 hour ago, M2 said:

Do people really believe the GOP wanted Trump to be re-elected?

70M+ voters certainly did....

[Sua Sponte]

I guess Blue Lives don’t matter today. 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/mollyhensleyclancy/trump-dc-maga-election-protests-capitol?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bftwbuzzfeed&ref=bftwbuzzfeed&__twitter_impression=true

 

[BashiChuni]

not a good look for the GOP, trump is burning it down while he leaves

 

[pawnman]

3 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

not a good look for the GOP, trump is burning it down while he leaves

 

As we always knew he would.  Hell, he's been burning it down for most of his presidency.  He's just losing the support of the GOP to cover for his shenanigans. 

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Do people really believe the GOP wanted Trump to be re-elected?

Based on how hard they fought to get him re-elected, fight the results in places where he didn't win, and pushing to not certify the electoral college...I'd have to say yes.

It's not like a huge number of GOP voters went to third party candidates.  It's not like a bunch of GOP representatives and senators have bothered to put up even the most lackluster show of protest for Trump's election circus.  It's not like anyone with real power in the GOP has come out and said "Trump has lost this election, he needs to stop whining about it and get ready to peacefully turn over the reins of power to Biden's administration".

So...yeah, seems like they worked really hard to keep him in office.

Edited January 6, 2021 by pawnman

[slackline]

21 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

I guess Blue Lives don’t matter today. 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/mollyhensleyclancy/trump-dc-maga-election-protests-capitol?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bftwbuzzfeed&ref=bftwbuzzfeed&__twitter_impression=true

 

This is hard to read!  This is not supposed to happen in the US!

[pawnman]

7 minutes ago, slackline said:

This is hard to read!  This is not supposed to happen in the US!

Well, we spent all summer in protest mode.  It was foolish to think that wouldn't cut both ways.

[Sua Sponte]

I thought Republicans didn’t riot? Must be Antifa thugs...

[FDNYOldGuy]

36 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

I guess Blue Lives don’t matter today. 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/mollyhensleyclancy/trump-dc-maga-election-protests-capitol?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bftwbuzzfeed&ref=bftwbuzzfeed&__twitter_impression=true

 

Ahhhh, yes, I remember back when Al Gore took to the airwaves to trash democratic processes, berate his fellow party members for not supporting him, and to call on his supporters to rush the Capitol (and Supreme Court) when he believed the election was stolen from him/there were ballot irregularities.

[Negatory]

Now they are reportedly shooting into the chambers. I seem to recall half of this forum claiming that only antifa/BLM protests were violent. Delusional.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Negatory

[Sua Sponte]

What a bunch of trash ass people. Hopefully they get federal charges.

https://twitter.com/jim_newell/status/1346899789347233796?s=21

[Negatory]

Terrorism or insurrection charges?

[Sua Sponte]

[LimaLowdown]

Yeah this is embarrassing, what's next, they set up hobo camps in the middle of cities and shutdown public roads for weeks?  

[flynutt]

11 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

 

We all know what happens when we find someone's open email...

Check your sent items!

Seriously though, crazy stuff.

[raimius]

22 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

So, once this guy is arrested, what do they charge him with?  Insurrection and revolution are terms people like to throw around...but when some idiot actually tries it???

[slackline]

32 minutes ago, LimaLowdown said:

Yeah this is embarrassing, what's next, they set up hobo camps in the middle of cities and shutdown public roads for weeks?  

I don't care who you're for, that's funny 😂

[Negatory]

On 1/2/2021 at 12:17 PM, brabus said:

Well for one people like MacKenzie Scott probably wouldn’t have donated $9B. Yeah there are some “filthy rich” people, but many of them donate shitloads of money, collectively provide millions of jobs, etc. They may be “selfish” in your eyes, but that doesn’t mean they’re not simultaneously contributing a substantial amount to our economy and way of life. Bottom line - not a zero sum game and we need those people far more than we don’t need them. 

On another note, doesn't look like your guys' guesses about billionaire philanthropy were based very much in reality.

https://observer.com/2021/01/billionaires-philanthropy-record-low-2020-bezos-elon-musk/

BUT JEFF BEZOS MAX A TAX-DEDUCTIBLE DONATION OF $10B TO THE... Bezos Fund.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Negatory

[slackline]

4 minutes ago, Negatory said:

He was being sarcastic.

Man, I'm the Boomer, didn't catch that one either. Deleted my post.

[Sua Sponte]