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[VMFA187]

10 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Allegations or charges? I can allege anyone to commit a crime, but if any level of prosecutor doesn't indict or a judge/jury doesn't find them guilty, they're just nothing more than allegations.

Allegations against Republicans are apparently enough to completely stop the press and focus on a story for days, weeks, or months at a time...

[lloyd christmas]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Allegations or charges? I can allege anyone to commit a crime, but if any level of prosecutor doesn't indict or a judge/jury doesn't find them guilty, they're just nothing more than allegations.

Like Russian collusion?  

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

Like Russian collusion?  

Well the DOJ couldn’t legally indict a sitting president due to OLC “rule”, but since the House voted to impeach, that was considered somewhat of an indictment.

[Sua Sponte]

3 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

Allegations against Republicans are apparently enough to completely stop the press and focus on a story for days, weeks, or months at a time...

So, like Clinton’s impeachment for lying about banging/getting a blowie from an intern?

Edited April 9, 2021 by Sua Sponte

[SurelySerious]

So, like Clinton’s impeachment for lying about banging/getting a blowie from an intern?

Banging a subordinate? Sounds like something you’d expect a leader to be fired for.

[Sua Sponte]

1 minute ago, SurelySerious said:

Banging a subordinate? Sounds like something you’d expect a leader to be fired for.

Only if you’re Enlisted. Officers get “forced” retired and obviously enough Senators didn’t give a shit about a private matter to removed Clinton.

[VMFA187]

3 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Only if you’re Enlisted. Officers get “forced” retired and obviously enough Senators didn’t give a shit about a private matter to removed Clinton.

It's the opposite in the USMC. 

[Sua Sponte]

5 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

It's the opposite in the USMC. 

Yeah, they just interfere with court martials and due process of the accused (Amos with the Marines who pissed on the dead insurgent) and make, or allow, poor leadership decisions that violate safety and cost Marines their lives (Camp Bastion Attack).

[HeloDude]

2 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Well the DOJ couldn’t legally indict a sitting president due to OLC “rule”, but since the House voted to impeach, that was considered somewhat of an indictment.

So why wasn’t Trump impeached for “Russian collusion”?

[tac airlifter]

8 hours ago, Prozac said:

 But the “Biden’s character is just as bad/worse than Trumps” argument blows my mind. So he’s a career politician. So was Lincoln. So was Jefferson. So was Reagan.

Historical sidebar, but your 3 examples are totally wrong.  Lincoln- soldier/lawyer.  Jefferson- plantation owner/ lawyer.  Reagan- actor.  None of the examples you gave were career politicians; all had successful careers before and outside politics.  

As Reagan said  “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”

[Sua Sponte]

38 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

So why wasn’t Trump impeached for “Russian collusion”?

Apparently you didn’t read the Mueller Report?

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

[HeloDude]

23 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Apparently you didn’t read the Mueller Report?

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

Once again...I’m asking:  Why wasn’t Trump impeached for “Russian collusion”?  

[Prozac]

41 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Historical sidebar, but your 3 examples are totally wrong.  Lincoln- soldier/lawyer.  Jefferson- plantation owner/ lawyer.  Reagan- actor.  None of the examples you gave were career politicians; all had successful careers before and outside politics.  

As Reagan said  “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”

You’re being a bit disingenuous here. Lincoln spent 30 years in politics. Jefferson over 30, and Reagan over 20. By any account they were all career politicians, regardless of how they got their start. As a matter of fact, off the top of my head, I can’t think of any prominent politicians who were elected prior to doing some sort of other work (I’m sure there are a few).  I don’t think “knowing so much that isn’t so” is an affliction that is limited to liberals. 

[Sua Sponte]

23 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Once again...I’m asking:  Why wasn’t Trump impeached for “Russian collusion”?  

Here, I quoted the report because you either:

A. Can't Read

B. Are Stupid

C. Both (I assume C)

Quote

In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign “coordinat[ed]”—a term that appears in the appointment order—with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, “coordination” does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement—tacit or express—between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

Sorta hard to push impeachment for collusion with Russia, as it should be, when an independent commission found that Trump did not collude/coordinate with the Russian Government to interfere with the 2016 election.

Edited April 10, 2021 by Sua Sponte

[HeloDude]

24 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Here, I quoted the report because you either:

A. Can't Read

B. Are Stupid

C. Both (I assume C)

Sorta hard to push impeachment, as it should be, when an independent commission found that Trump did not collude/coordinate with the Russian Government to interfere with the 2016 election.

And yet, you said this:

So who exactly is “stupid”?  And didn’t you recently report someone for a “personal attack”? 
 

Edited:  And I was wrong about the report...that was Homestar.  My apologies for the mixup.

Edited April 10, 2021 by HeloDude

[tac airlifter]

9 minutes ago, Prozac said:

You’re being a bit disingenuous here. Lincoln spent 30 years in politics. Jefferson over 30, and Reagan over 20. By any account they were all career politicians, regardless of how they got their start. As a matter of fact, off the top of my head, I can’t think of any prominent politicians who were elected prior to doing some sort of other work (I’m sure there are a few).  I don’t think “knowing so much that isn’t so” is an affliction that is limited to liberals. 

All 3 were prosperous before and without politics.  Is that true of our current class of career politicians?  But I do agree with your last sentence.

[Sua Sponte]

Just now, HeloDude said:

And yet, you said this:

So who exactly is “stupid”?  And didn’t you recently report someone for a “personal attack”? 

You do realize that impeachment isn’t a legal process, right? Can you show me where I said Trump was impeached for colluding with Russia?

Recently report? No, I have a DD-214, so I don’t really care. I was banned by a mod, without notice, for showing data where he was wrong and apparently that got his panties in a twist.

[HeloDude]

1 minute ago, Sua Sponte said:

You do realize that impeachment isn’t a legal process, right? Can you show me where I said Trump was impeached for colluding with Russia?

Recently report? No, I have a DD-214, so I don’t really care. I was banned by a mod, without notice, for showing data where he was wrong and apparently that got his panties in a twist.

You literally were responding to Lloyd’s post regarding Russian collusion...and your response was about Trump not being able to be indicted but that can and was impeached, which you said is like an indictment.
 

And now you’re trying to backtrack and suggest that your post had nothing to do with Russian collusion?  Let me guess...you’re drinking more than usual tonight.  Everything ok?

[Sua Sponte]

1 minute ago, HeloDude said:

You literally were responding to Lloyd’s post regarding Russian collusion...and your response was about Trump not being able to be indicted but that can and was impeached, which you said is like an indictment.
 

And now you’re trying to backtrack and suggest that your post had nothing to do with Russian collusion?  Let me guess...you’re drinking more than usual tonight.  Everything ok?

I’m not backtracking anything. Trump was alleged to have colluded with Russia, an independent counsel investigated the allegation and did not substantiate it, however even if they had, the DOJ couldn’t refer charges for an indictment. Why? Because that was the OLC’s policy on sitting presidents. Had Mueller opined that Trump had colluded with Russia, it would’ve most likely been another article of impeachment.

An impeach is like an indictment since the House is acting like a grand jury, then the Senate acting like a trial jury.

[HeloDude]

Just now, Sua Sponte said:

I’m not backtracking anything. Trump was alleged to have colluded with Russia, an independent counsel investigated the allegation and did not substantiate it, however even if they had, the DOJ couldn’t refer charges for an indictment. Why? Because that was the OLC’s policy on sitting presidents. Had Mueller opined that Trump had colluded with Russia, it would’ve most likely been another article of impeachment.

An impeach is like an indictment since the House is acting like a grand jury, then the Senate acting like a trial jury.

You said Trump was impeached when responding to Lloyd’s post about Russian collusion, did you not?

[Sua Sponte]

Just now, HeloDude said:

You said Trump was impeached when responding to Lloyd’s post about Russian collusion, did you not?

Correct, because I quoted him. I however never said he was impeached for collusion with Russia.

[HeloDude]

1 minute ago, Sua Sponte said:

Correct, because I quoted him. I however never said he was impeached for collusion with Russia.

Oh...well, usually when you quote someone and respond to their post, it has something to do with their post.  But I guess doing the complete opposite would also make sense.  

[brickhistory]

Pointing out the obvious to the oblivious since those that believe it so will just be reaffirmed and those that don't won't or will accept it since it supports their position(s):

 

Interesting that Project Veritas set up a CNN technical producer with, essentially, a honey trap and the poor schmuck, trying to get laid, 'fesses up to all the shenanigans that those on the right have been pointing out - deliberate, stated corporate policy to defeat Trump, deliberate hiding of stories facts detrimental to Democrats, hyping Kung Flu coverage for ratings (shocked, I tell you, shocked), deliberately only covering white on black crimes and not reporting on black on anybody else, especially Asian, crime since it "doesn't help BLM."

 

Twitter just banned both Project Veritas and O'Keefe personally.

[VMFA187]

4 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Pointing out the obvious to the oblivious since those that believe it so will just be reaffirmed and those that don't won't or will accept it since it supports their position(s):

 

Interesting that Project Veritas set up a CNN technical producer with, essentially, a honey trap and the poor schmuck, trying to get laid, 'fesses up to all the shenanigans that those on the right have been pointing out - deliberate, stated corporate policy to defeat Trump, deliberate hiding of stories facts detrimental to Democrats, hyping Kung Flu coverage for ratings (shocked, I tell you, shocked), deliberately only covering white on black crimes and not reporting on black on anybody else, especially Asian, crime since it "doesn't help BLM."

 

Twitter just banned both Project Veritas and O'Keefe personally.

And O'Keefe is suing them. 

[lloyd christmas]

5 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Twitter just banned both Project Veritas and O'Keefe personally.

And by doing so, verified the accusations you listed.  It’s big tech/social media/MSM censoring the truth and opposing opinions.  Doubling down is really all they can do at this point.  

Forceable suppression of opposition is one of the hallmarks of fascism.  This is modern day fascism.  

Edited April 16, 2021 by lloyd christmas