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[FLEA]

14 minutes ago, Sim said:

https://billingsreport.com/e-jean-carrolls-story-about-being-raped-by-trump-exactly-matches-2012-episode-of-law-and-order-svu/

Believe all woman! We just don't know what woman is. Do I have to be a cat to know what a cat is?  🤡

Eh, he's sort of right. I don't know if this woman is full of shit or not. But I'm not about to approach the territory of saying that a sexual assault victims trauma is any less debilitating than a war veteran simply because it is "lesser." I imagine if I was in a shower scene episode of Oz, I'd probably be permanently fucked up for the rest of my life. 

[Biff_T]

5 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Words

 

2 hours ago, Day Man said:

denigrating an alleged rape victim because her trauma isn't traumatic enough for you or fits your personal threshold is a new low.

 

You're right man.  I'm sorry to have written this.  If it's offending enough to people I'm ok with mods or myself deleting it.  Don't take the Gabapentin.  

[Sim]

3 hours ago, FLEA said:

Eh, he's sort of right. I don't know if this woman is full of shit or not. But I'm not about to approach the territory of saying that a sexual assault victims trauma is any less debilitating than a war veteran simply because it is "lesser." I imagine if I was in a shower scene episode of Oz, I'd probably be permanently fucked up for the rest of my life. 

I'm sorry, but did you open above link? She is obviously mentally insane and lying.  The same shit as Kavanah hearing. Same shit as Thomas hearing.  

You don't get PTSD from lying. 

[Biff_T]

Not to thread-jack but if you have free time.  See what you can do to help the young men and women who suffer from PTSD at your local VA or equivalent.  They need our help.  Im usually the highest ranking officer when I help (weekly) and I am a retired O-3E, sad man.  Dont see alot Generals or Chiefs, mostly young enlisted solidiers and marines. Don't forget about those young soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen and coasties that are still suffering.  They are my heroes!  

[FLEA]

29 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

Not to thread-jack but if you have free time.  See what you can do to help the young men and women who suffer from PTSD at your local VA or equivalent.  They need our help.  Im usually the highest ranking officer when I help (weekly) and I am a retired O-3E, sad man.  Dont see alot Generals or Chiefs, mostly young enlisted solidiers and marines. Don't forget about those young soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen and coasties that are still suffering.  They are my heroes!  

Very few officers work in the veterans space. Its really sad. Its like all that fluff about caring for your troops and looking out for them was horse shit for 20 years. Good on you for getting involved afterward. I'm an O-4 and like you I usually find myself uniquely at the top in this space. 

[arg]

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/05/04/kamala-harris-named-ai-czar-to-save-us-from-artificial-intelligence/

[dream big]

5 hours ago, arg said:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/05/04/kamala-harris-named-ai-czar-to-save-us-from-artificial-intelligence/

It’s a good thing there’s a low probability  of a Robot Rebellion; otherwise we would fail as a nation at that too. 

[TreeA10]

7 hours ago, arg said:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/05/04/kamala-harris-named-ai-czar-to-save-us-from-artificial-intelligence/

The irony of putting Harris in charge of anything related to intelligence.

[Guardian]

Very few officers work in the veterans space. Its really sad. Its like all that fluff about caring for your troops and looking out for them was horse shit for 20 years. Good on you for getting involved afterward. I'm an O-4 and like you I usually find myself uniquely at the top in this space. 

It’s sad they don’t choose to give more of their lives to veterans space? Ever thought to be happy for what the did give and if they choose to give more to be happy? It’s not really sad. It’s awesome that someone has volunteered their service to give to others and the country. Why are you belittling them for not giving more? why not give the people and the radical left a hard time for the trash they peddle that hurts our veterans? Your effort is better spent changing the minds of your liberal colleagues than asking this who have given and sacrificed to give more.

[FLEA]

3 hours ago, Guardian said:

It’s sad they don’t choose to give more of their lives to veterans space? Ever thought to be happy for what the did give and if they choose to give more to be happy? It’s not really sad. It’s awesome that someone has volunteered their service to give to others and the country. Why are you belittling them for not giving more? why not give the people and the radical left a hard time for the trash they peddle that hurts our veterans? Your effort is better spent changing the minds of your liberal colleagues than asking this who have given and sacrificed to give more.

I'm going to ignore your political comments because veterans are largely a bipartisan space but even beyond that the most recent problems in the space have been caused by the GOP not the DNC. Remember who blocked the PACT act the first time? 

But aside all of that.... As an officer, you had a vastly different experience and QOL than your average enlisted airmen, largely at their expense. We ask our enlisted to do some truly awful things and endure some truly difficult obstacles. As John Stewart said, for any organization that receives $850B why are half out forces on food stamps? 

At the end of the day, it wasn't the politicians that issued those orders. It was you who stood in front of someone, looked them in the face and asked them to eat a shit sandwich because you knew it was in the best interest of our country. If you don't feel you have any obligation to at a minimum thank that person for being dutiful to their position at extreme financial and personal hardship I think that says something. Consider it. I don't give a shit about your service to your country. Everyone here gave that much. What I care about is your hollow convictions that you believe yourself to be a leader but when it comes to actually doing what real leaders do, taking care of people and being there for your airmen, you are suspiciously absent. 

Enjoy your six figure airline salary and $500K McMansion. But don't forget a minute think I respect you for it when you don't even have the common courtesy to kick the ladder down behind you for the people's who backs you rode on to the way to the top. 

Edited May 6, 2023 by FLEA

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, FLEA said:

As John Stewart said, for any organization that receives $850B why are half out forces on food stamps?

Mind providing a source that says half of military members are on food stamps?

[FLEA]

Just now, HeloDude said:

Mind providing a source that says half of military members are on food stamps?

It's a John Stewart quote that went viral a few weeks ago. He was clearly exaggerating a bit in a heated argument with Kathleen Hicks--the actual percentage is much lower. However the principle is that the answer should be zero. Zero service members should be below the income thresholds qualifying for food stamps. 

Our enlisted are disproportionately exposed to more danger, face higher casualty and injury rates, earn significantly less pay, and have significantly less exit opportunities from service than their officer counterparts. 

The fact I have to beg any veteran, officer or enlisted, to go to a VFW and "just be a bro" or give a bit of time to a foundation like Warrior Scholar, or Pat Tilman Foundation is appalling. You can spite the service I don't give a shit, but don't spite the people that rode in the trenches with you to cover your ass. Its fucking shameful. 

[HeloDude]

5 minutes ago, FLEA said:

It's a John Stewart quote that went viral a few weeks ago.

If you’re trying to make a serious argument, then I would leave out the excessive exaggerations.  
 

Oh, and here’s a question:  For the enlisted who are on food stamps, how many of these same members have car payments for cars they purchased over $5K, have video games, have a tv/phone newer than mine, buy alcohol, etc.  Plenty of enlisted are not on food stamps—be pretty interesting to compare the lives of those on them vs not on them.  Life is all about choices.

That all being said, do I think the enlisted should be paid more?  Sure.  But let’s not pretend that many who struggle financially always make the best life choices.

[FLEA]

10 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

If you’re trying to make a serious argument, then I would leave out the excessive exaggerations.  
 

Oh, and here’s a question:  For the enlisted who are on food stamps, how many of these same members have car payments for cars they purchased over $5K, have video games, have a tv/phone newer than mine, buy alcohol, etc.  Plenty of enlisted are not on food stamps—be pretty interesting to compare the lives of those on them vs not on them.  Life is all about choices.

That all being said, do I think the enlisted should be paid more?  Sure.  But let’s not pretend that many who struggle financially always make the best life choices.

Food stamps qualification is based on income and family size. It has nothing to do with payments or expenses. You simply have to make below a certain multiplier of the poverty line as a family unit. 

I dunno,.... I think I'm done with this conversation. You all lost credibility in my eyes. Thought there were actual leaders on this forum. All I hear are a bunch of lazy pussies now who are only infatuated with their own success. 

[HeloDude]

2 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Food stamps qualification is based on income and family size. It has nothing to do with payments or expenses. You simply have to make below a certain multiplier of the poverty line as a family unit. 

I dunno,.... I think I'm done with this conversation. You all lost credibility in my eyes. Thought there were actual leaders on this forum. All I hear are a bunch of lazy pussies now who are only infatuated with their own success. 

Nah, you’re just not able to make a credible argument without appealing to emotions.  Life is about choices…if you’re an E-4 with a stay at home wife and 2-3 kids, yeah, you might not be earning a high enough income to support your desired life style…especially if you’re also not making the best financial decisions.

[arg]

I was surprised that as an E7 with five kids(extended family, two were mine)that I qualified for WIC/.gov help, this was in FL. I took advantage of it. I was also surprised that my tax refund was more than I paid in. Didn't think that was possible. This was '96.

[FLEA]

12 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Nah, you’re just not able to make a credible argument without appealing to emotions.  Life is about choices…if you’re an E-4 with a stay at home wife and 2-3 kids, yeah, you might not be earning a high enough income to support your desired life style…especially if you’re also not making the best financial decisions.

I can't make an argument because you are so far behind on the conversation I literally dont have the time to type a novel to get you caught up. The expectation was you were an officer and already knew this. The fact you don't is where you lost all credibility with me. I have nothing for you. 

https://www.benefits.va.gov/benefits/docs/veteraneconomicopportunityreport2015.pdf

https://www.hiringourheroes.org/resources/hidden-financial-costs-military-spouse-unemployment/

Edited May 6, 2023 by FLEA

[HeloDude]

4 minutes ago, FLEA said:

I can't make an argument because you are so far behind on the conversation I literally dont have the time to type a novel to get you caught up. The expectation was you were an officer and already knew this. The fact you don't is where you lost all credibility with me. I have nothing for you. 

https://www.benefits.va.gov/benefits/docs/veteraneconomicopportunityreport2015.pdf

https://www.hiringourheroes.org/resources/hidden-financial-costs-military-spouse-unemployment/

Yet you didn’t refute anything that I said…you just got emotional and yet said I was the one who lost all credibility.  And who was the one quoting an entertainer who wasn’t even close to being accurate?

I’ll give you another chance:  Why are the majority of enlisted members not on food stamps?  What are they doing differently than those who are on food stamps?

[Boomer6]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

I'm going to ignore your political comments because veterans are largely a bipartisan space but even beyond that the most recent problems in the space have been caused by the GOP not the DNC. Remember who blocked the PACT act the first time?

I’m gonna ignore your political comments and begin by immediately making a political comment. Here’s a link for what that word actual means: ignore definition.

As far as officers being leaders goes I tend to agree that most of the ppl I’ve met I’m who were in command were managers not leaders. However, if you want to talk responsibility for the shit lives young enlisted live then I recommend you take a look at the E-8/9s that are burning morale to the ground.

I can only speak to the mx enlisted side, but if the rest of the enlisted service is full of leadership as toxic as what I’ve seen there, then no wonder young airmen are having issues. Can’t imagine why there is a shortage of mx personnel.. oh wait it’s because you get nailed to the wall for minor mistakes. Meanwhile SMSgt chucklenuts is banging anyone but his wife every TDY. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve dealt with some great SNCOs, but they were the absolute minority. Most of them couldn’t lead a pair of steak knives out of a wet paper bag.

[FLEA]

10 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Yet you didn’t refute anything that I said…you just got emotional and yet said I was the one who lost all credibility.  And who was the one quoting an entertainer who wasn’t even close to being accurate?

I’ll give you another chance:  Why are the majority of enlisted members not on food stamps?  What are they doing differently than those who are on food stamps?

An entertainer? Bro John Stewart is one of the most important lobbyist for Veterans on the hill right now. Don't relegate him to a simple container. What do you know? You're just a helo pilot right? 

Why are enlisted on food stamps? Because they keep getting assigned to high COL areas I guess? WTF kind of answer do you want. I already explained how the program works. It's based on your household income and zip code. Enlisted have zero control on one of those factors and minimal control on the other. (No freedom to seek outside employment, spouses have barriers finding work or working within field). 

You want to make this it's a behavior problem and I've already told you several times spending behavior isn't accounted in qualification. 

[brabus]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

kick the ladder down behind you for the people's who backs you rode on to the way to the top. 

Dude, you lost credibility by making this blanket statement that apparently applies to every officer. Sure there are shitty ones, but in my entire career I’ve seen maybe one or two that meet this criteria of truly fucking over enlisted for personal gain. I know there’s more out there than one or two, but you acting like it’s a large portion is ridiculous.

 

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

Enjoy your six figure airline salary and $500K McMansion.

You mean the things a guy earned via years of hard work and sacrifice? Just because someone is deemed successful doesn’t mean they’re a POS and/or didn’t earn it. Unless you’re a retarded progressive, then that irrational thought probably does make sense. Again, painting with that broad brush only destroys your credibility, not someone else’s. 

[FLEA]

6 minutes ago, Boomer6 said:

I’m gonna ignore your political comments and begin by immediately making a political comment. Here’s a link for what that word actual means: ignore definition.

As far as officers being leaders goes I tend to agree that most of the ppl I’ve met I’m who were in command were managers not leaders. However, if you want to talk responsibility for the shit lives young enlisted live then I recommend you take a look at the E-8/9s that are burning morale to the ground.

I can only speak to the mx enlisted side, but if the rest of the enlisted service is full of leadership as toxic as what I’ve seen there, then no wonder young airmen are having issues. Can’t imagine why there is a shortage of mx personnel.. oh wait it’s because you get nailed to the wall for minor mistakes. Meanwhile SMSgt chucklenuts is banging anyone but his wife every TDY. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve dealt with some great SNCOs, but they were the absolute minority. Most of them couldn’t lead a pair of steak knives out of a wet paper bag.

I will grant you there are definitely toxic E-8s / E-9s out there. Who do you think is standing behind them? 

[HeloDude]

2 minutes ago, FLEA said:

An entertainer? Bro John Stewart is one of the most important lobbyist for Veterans on the hill right now. Don't relegate him to a simple container. What do you know? You're just a helo pilot right?

You’re really struggling here man.  And if Stewart is so smart on the issue then he wouldn’t have been so wrong on stats.

[FLEA]

1 minute ago, HeloDude said:

You’re really struggling here man.  And if Stewart is so smart on the issue then he wouldn’t have been so wrong on stats.

Dude most competent adults understand an exaggeration. I don't give a shit. Im done here. You're all worthless to me. The fact you don't have the balls to advocate your people tells me everything I need. Youre shills. Youre your own toxic leaders and frankly deserve every grievance you have at the service. I'll never forget the day a dude called HeloDude told me he deserves thanks for his service but he doesn't even have the humility or grace to thank the door gunner that went out with him, with zero control of the mission execution, the danger, the risk. WTF man? Why would I ever encourage anyone to service. Get fucked. 

[bfargin]

Dude, lots of emotion going here. Step back a second. You share way more in common than is fully evident