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[ClearedHot]

1 minute ago, GrndPndr said:

Yes, his lack of SA is pretty frightening.  I've worked with the elderly before, and the first thing they do in a situation like this is blame something else on their incident - this is exactly what he did.  Watch the way he walks, he doesn't scan at all.  When he started out as POTUS, I thought this kind of thing was funny, but his mental state is just plain scary and sad now.

100%...he doesn't walk, he shuffles which happens in older people as their brain function declines.  This is a complete embarrassment for our country.

[GrndPndr]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

100%...he doesn't walk, he shuffles which happens in older people as their brain function declines.  This is a complete embarrassment for our country.

Just watch the first thirty seconds of this video, says it all...

 

[brabus]

A month from death (after 3 years of fighting cancer) my dad looked better than that, no shit. I wonder what the hell they put in him to get him through public appearances (check out his ludicrously dilated pupils during many speaking engagements).

[lloyd christmas]

[fire4effect]

 

To be fair Robert De Niro and Al Pacino are making more kids to keep paying to keep Social Security solvent for a little while longer. And having more fun while at it.

When does male fertility decline? Men having children late (yahoo.com)

Edited June 2, 2023 by fire4effect
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[Sim]

https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump/posts/110476221459302677

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[Prozac]

Thought Nikki Haley presented herself well in CNN’s town hall tonight. I certainly don’t agree with all of her points, but so far, she is the most presentable, well spoken candidate in the race. IMO, it will be hard for Trump, DeSantis, or Joe Biden to debate her. This is the type of candidate both parties should be putting forward. 

[nsplayr]

24 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Thought Nikki Haley presented herself well in CNN’s town hall tonight. I certainly don’t agree with all of her points, but so far, she is the most presentable, well spoken candidate in the race. IMO, it will be hard for Trump, DeSantis, or Joe Biden to debate her. This is the type of candidate both parties should be putting forward. 

I agree, she’s a good candidate. Won’t get very far IMHO unfortunately. She’s much too conservative for me to vote for in a general election, but she seems like a good person and is well qualified to be President as a former governor & ambassador.

I wish her luck and want to see more candidates like her for both parties n the future but…yea I don’t think she’s gonna get far against Trump in this primary.

Edited June 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

she seems like a good person and is well qualified to be President as a former governor & ambassador

She’s much too conservative for me to vote for in a general election,

Something about these two comments being right next to each other rings of cognitive dissonance.  She's a good pick, but she's conservative so it's a no?   That makes no sense.  You're saying that just because someone is conservative, even if they're the best a good person for the job, you wouldn't vote for them?

By implication you're saying that you would vote for a worse candidate who was more liberal just based on...what?  The excellent results that the liberal left has given us?

Edited June 5, 2023 by FourFans
more factually correct

[brabus]

To be fair he said qualified and a good person, he didn’t say she was hands down the best of the entire field but he’d still pass. 

However, your statement does aptly describe an alarming amount of voters in this country (on both sides). It’s very disheartening to say the least. 

[FourFans]

13 minutes ago, brabus said:

To be fair he said qualified and a good person, he didn’t say she was hands down the best of the entire field but he’d still pass. 

However, your statement does aptly describe an alarming amount of voters in this country (on both sides). It’s very disheartening to say the least. 

A fair point.

But that's what's surprising to me.  People can highlight what they like about a candidate, but still stanchly say 'no' based on a political bias which is founded on a position or on assumptions that wouldn't hold water for 5 minutes when put to actual logical scrutiny.  Is disheartening.  Just like people who voted for President Obama based solely on his skin color, then had the audacity to declare someone else "racist" for questioning that decision process...which I got to experience firsthand.

I feel like critical thought and self-examination are completely extinct these days.

Edited June 5, 2023 by FourFans

[Prozac]

48 minutes ago, FourFans said:

Something about these two comments being right next to each other rings of cognitive dissonance.  She's a good pick, but she's conservative so it's a no?   That makes no sense.  You're saying that just because someone is conservative, even if they're the best a good person for the job, you wouldn't vote for them?

By implication you're saying that you would vote for a worse candidate who was more liberal just based on...what?  The excellent results that the liberal left has given us?

This kind of thought process blows my mind. I can say that someone is capable and qualified to do a job, particularly a political job, while also understanding that they don’t necessarily represent my values as well as another candidate might. You’ve taken this position before & seem to be unable to understand that people may not be willing to vote for a candidate that doesn’t represent their values no matter how “good” they may be. Here’s why I personally like Haley and wish there were more candidates like her: She will force Democratic candidates to be better. They will have to debate on policy rather than on the emotion stirred up on both sides by petty culture war tropes. Good candidates beget better candidates on both sides. Another reason I like her is because candidates like this tend to be far less divisive when they take office. Like nsplayr, I find it difficult to see myself voting for her in a general election. If she were to be elected though, I (and I think most on the left side of the spectrum) would have a much easier time generally supporting her than someone like Donald Trump. 

[FourFans]

12 minutes ago, Prozac said:

This kind of thought process blows my mind. I can say that someone is capable and qualified to do a job, particularly a political job, while also understanding that they don’t necessarily represent my values as well as another candidate might. You’ve taken this position before & seem to be unable to understand that people may not be willing to vote for a candidate that doesn’t represent their values no matter how “good” they may be. Here’s why I personally like Haley and wish there were more candidates like her: She will force Democratic candidates to be better. They will have to debate on policy rather than on the emotion stirred up on both sides by petty culture war tropes. Good candidates beget better candidates on both sides. Another reason I like her is because candidates like this tend to be far less divisive when they take office. Like nsplayr, I find it difficult to see myself voting for her in a general election. If she were to be elected though, I (and I think most on the left side of the spectrum) would have a much easier time generally supporting her than someone like Donald Trump. 

Fair points.  So what candidate represents your values?  What are your key values?

Edited June 5, 2023 by FourFans

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, FourFans said:

Fair points.  So what candidate represents your values?  What are your key values?

Values? Hookers and blow brother. That’s why I’m hoping Hunter will be appointed as his dad’s successor by the Pentaverate when old Joe inevitably dies in a couple years. 🤣 🍻 

[FourFans]

8 hours ago, FourFans said:

I can say that someone is capable and qualified to do a job, particularly a political job, while also understanding that they don’t necessarily represent my values as well as another candidate might

 

7 hours ago, Prozac said:

Values? Hookers and blow brother. That’s why I’m hoping Hunter will be appointed as his dad’s successor by the Pentaverate when old Joe inevitably dies in a couple years. 🤣 🍻 

So, other people should be shut down for mis-understanding your values, but you won't share what those values are.  

You - "You don't understand me!" 

Them - *ok explain yourself* 

You - "You wouldn't understand!"   

Why should we ever take your opinion seriously?

Honestly dude.  Find your balls, decide what you believe, and take your stand.  If not, don't complain when you get choked out by rational arguments.

Curious question: do you train in any martial art or physical fitness event?  If so, do they endorse excuses as to why you lost or why you couldn't complete a movement/lift/event/pose?   Because that logic crosses over.

[Prozac]

13 minutes ago, FourFans said:

 

So, other people should be shut down for mis-understanding your values, but you won't share what those values are.  

You - "You don't understand me!" 

Them - *ok explain yourself* 

You - "You wouldn't understand!"   

Why should we ever take your opinion seriously?

Honestly dude.  Find your balls, decide what you believe, and take your stand.  If not, don't complain when you get choked out by rational arguments.

Curious question: do you train in any martial art or physical fitness event?  If so, do they endorse excuses as to why you lost or why you couldn't complete a movement/lift/event/pose?   Because that logic crosses over.

[nsplayr]

10 hours ago, FourFans said:

Something about these two comments being right next to each other rings of cognitive dissonance.  She's a good pick, but she's conservative so it's a no?   That makes no sense.  You're saying that just because someone is conservative, even if they're the best a good person for the job, you wouldn't vote for them?

By implication you're saying that you would vote for a worse candidate who was more liberal just based on...what?  The excellent results that the liberal left has given us?

Based on what public policies they support.

Most of today’s GOP leaders would move forward enthusiastically with policies I think are wrong and bad. Most of todays Dems would also pursue new initiatives if elected, but for policies I think I are generally correct and good.

So even if I like Nikki Haley enough as a GOP candidate, especially compared to the actual leading contenders, that doesn’t mean I support her policy vision for the country.

Is this a weird or alien concept to some folks? 🤷‍♂️

I am a liberal democrat. I do in fact support liberal Democratic Party policies, like those of the current President. I think they are mostly correct and good and that the competing GOP policies are mostly wrong and bad.

I guess that’s like a 🤯 concept around here, but it’s part of why I keep posting on politics even though it’s 96.9% a waste of time. I would not support a Republican in a general election where a passable Democrat was also running. I don’t expect many of my friends on the right to vote any differently than me, just the opposite way consistent with their differing views & values. There are a fair amount of “independents” and learners who usually decide close elections, but I’m just not among them and that’s ok.

FWIW I did vote for a Republican for mayor of my town because she was the best candidate - the catch is there are relatively few Dems here and her opponent was an extremist, whereas to me she is a reasonable, pro-business country club Republican. So ok, I’ll take the best of two sub-optimal choices given the realities of where I live and my fellow voters here. By that same logic were I to vote in the IA or NH GOP presidential primary somehow, Haley would definitely get a look from me, even if I would not support her against Biden in the general were she to become the GOP nominee.

I do genuinely want good GOP candidates and leaders because in a two party system like ours, you ain’t gonna win ‘em all and I truly don’t believe rooting for the “worst” “most beatable” Republican is a strategy Dems should pursue (or vice versa).

[nsplayr]

11 hours ago, FourFans said:

…but still stanchly say 'no' based on a political bias which is founded on a position or on assumptions that wouldn't hold water for 5 minutes when put to actual logical scrutiny.

It’s not flimsy “political bias” to have policy preferences my man.

If there was a hypothetical election where the GOP candidate was pro-choice, pro-clean energy, wanted to strengthen the social safety net and raise taxes on the wealthy, all why the Dem advocates for the opposite, I would happily vote for the Republican!

What I find more flimsy is to say, “Wow, he/she is a great speaker/debater/etc., I would vote for them!” without regard for what policies they support and the values that underlie those policies.

I will 100% vote for a boring, replacement-level Dem who aligns with my policy preferences vs a charismatic, inspiring, well-spoken Republican who wants to do the opposite of what I would do on every policy choice. You should vote that way too, consistent with whatever values you hold & policies you support!

Edited June 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[nsplayr]

46 minutes ago, FourFans said:

Honestly dude.  Find your balls, decide what you believe, and take your stand.  If not, don't complain when you get choked out by rational arguments.

Curious question: do you train in any martial art or physical fitness event?  If so, do they endorse excuses as to why you lost or why you couldn't complete a movement/lift/event/pose?   Because that logic crosses over.

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[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

I am a liberal democrat. I do in fact support liberal Democratic Party policies, like those of the current President. I think they are mostly correct and good and that the competing GOP policies are mostly wrong and bad.

how do you support policies that are obviously destructive to cities, families, and individuals? serious question.

[nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

how do you support policies that are obviously destructive to cities, families, and individuals? serious question.

Because I do not agree with your premise than Dem party policies are “obviously destructive” to cities, families and individuals. Come on man, what kind of question is that? “Tell me sir, when did you stop beating your wife?”

I live near a city, have a family, and am an individual, and we’re all doing pretty great! Hope you are as well.

Edited June 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[BashiChuni]

2 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Because I do not agree with your premise than Dem party policies are “obviously destructive” to cities, families and individuals. Come on man, what kind of question is that?

I live near a city, have a family, and am an individual, and we’re all doing pretty great! Hope you are as well.

proof is in the pudding. most major democratic cities are in serious decline. it's not an argument.

it's not about you either. it's about the policies overall harm to society. glad you're doing well but the majority of americans living under democratic policies are not.

Edited June 5, 2023 by BashiChuni

[nsplayr]

Just now, BashiChuni said:

proof is in the pudding. most major democratic cities are in serious decline. it's not an argument.

It is! I disagree with you. Nashville has never been better or more prosperous. That’s where I live near and so I have the receipts more than elsewhere. Come here and see for yourself!

[BashiChuni]

tennessee is not a state run by democrats. nice try. i'd submit portland, san francisco, chicago, nyc, msp, LA, etc

keep living in ignorance my friend.

Edited June 5, 2023 by BashiChuni

[nsplayr]

The city is run by Dems, like almost every urban area. You correctly identified that the state is Republican-led, congratulations.

Whats your argument here, that all those cities are shitholes? If so, I’d argue they’re not. If you wanna talk granular specifics I wanna talk Nashville since that’s what I know in a granular level of detail.

I am well aware of the broad-brush political leavings of every state and major city.