The Next President is...

[Lawman]

Jesus Christ, so much "but her emails" copium in this thread right now. Not a lot of solutions. Here's a wild idea, although it makes too much sense for republicans to actually try it: 
Let trump go down in flames. Just let him go.  
If you think this is a big unfair liberal witch hunt or at the very least a terrible double standard, thats the fastest way to fix it. Take this opportunity to divorce yourself from the un-electable clown and get a frontrunner who can actually win.  Then when you win in 2024, you can indict Hillary and Hunter and Biden and Kamala and Dylan Mulvaney and Whoopie Goldberg and whoever else you want. 
 
This is a massive F-big opportunity for republicans, but they're so blinded by "ITS NOT FAIR" they won't even be able to capitalize. The fastest way to right past wrongs is to get power back and the fastest way to get power back is to dump the criminal lunatic who alienated more people than have ever voted in history into choosing the senile houseplant. 
 
We've been over this in this thread before. Why is the mainstream media running near-constant hit pieces on Desantis even though he trails trump in every poll?  Why is trump exclusively targeting Desantis?
Say it with me all together now:
Because. He's. The. Candidate. They're. Actually. Worried. About. 

“All you’ve gotta do to hold people accountable is take power.”

Gee is that it. Well shit let’s just get right on it. Thanks you for admitting what most in the Democratic Party won’t, that they simply will not and cannot allow accountability of any of their sacred cows and will only promise compliance when they aren’t in power.

Hey guys you hear that, it’s not that there isn’t a blatant protection scheme being run by the party in power to bury its skeletons in a bolt locked closet, it’s just following the rules for accountability. You can only be accountable when the opposite power is in charge.


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[Pooter]

29 minutes ago, Sim said:

LOL. A leftist telling me not to vote Trump. (who is winning ALL of the polls.) Sure thing, boo. 🤣

This wild "leftist" is actually pushing the candidate consistently more conservative than trump on actual issues. Except we all know the issues don't matter to trumpists. 
 

But tell yourself whatever you need to, buddy. Keep practicing the coping strategies. They'll come in handy Nov 7th 2024 when trumps pathetic cult of personality loses the right another election. 

[Pooter]

2 minutes ago, Lawman said:

“All you’ve gotta do to hold people accountable is take power.”

Gee is that it. Well shit let’s just get right on it. Thanks you for admitting what most in the Democratic Party won’t, that they simply will not and cannot allow accountability of any of their sacred cows and will only promise compliance when they aren’t in power.

Hey guys you hear that, it’s not that there isn’t a blatant protection scheme being run by the party in power to bury its skeletons in a bolt locked closet, it’s just following the rules for accountability. You can only be accountable when the opposite power is in charge.


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Yeah man.. welcome to the real world. The right isn't exactly jumping through their ass to prosecute their own people either. Last I checked the DOJ is under the executive branch.  Do you live in some moral high ground fantasy land where it's realistic to expect Biden to prosecute himself? Or his son? Or his friends?
 

You're talking about how politics should be. I'm talking about how politics is. If you want to even the scales, stop complaining and start winning. 

[Lawman]

Yeah man.. welcome to the real world. The right isn't exactly jumping through their ass to prosecute their own people either. Last I checked the DOJ is under the executive branch.  Do you live in some moral high ground fantasy land where it's realistic to expect Biden to prosecute himself? Or his son? Or his friends?
 
You're talking about how politics should be. I'm talking about how politics is. If you want to even the scales, stop complaining and start winning. 

But NSPlayer said we can just charge the political class with crimes whenever it’s appropriate. After all you guys are only holding Trump to a standard right? Granted it’s not a standers you’ll hold your own side too, but that doesn’t matter right? What matters is you win the next election, and that’s all this is really about.


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[nsplayr]

I actually disagree with @Pooter above, although he's clearly correct in terms of realpolitik / human nature / group dynamics. I alluded to this in a post where I asked why Trump's DOJ didn't prosecute Hillary. Why did Trump and Sessions and Barr et al not do this? They absolutely could have. For all his talk of "locking her up" Trump did absolutely zero to make that happen.

Speaking for myself, I do actually no-shit support prosecuting all criminals, regardless of political affiliation. If Kamala Harris shoots someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, I do want the House to impeach her and the Senate to convict her and I want all the Democrats in both chambers to support those actions. If Bill Clinton is caught on tape snorting coke off a hooker's ass in a NYC penthouse, I do expect Alvin Bragg to prosecute him. If CQ Brown sold classified info to the Agrentians for millions of dollars, I do expect Biden to fire him and for Garland's DOJ to prosecute him.*

*If there is a winnable case to be made and evidence to support conviction*

Y'all can bring up a bunch of stuff on Hunter and Joe and whatever and I'm not subscribed to the Biden Crime Cinematic Universe (BCCU) nearly as much as some of you guys, but there are plenty of conservative prosecutors, DAs, state AGs, etc. who could bring charges if they wanted and had jurisdiction. But they (so far) haven't. I'll give a pass to Ken Paxton down in TX, he has been a little busy with legal issues of his own 😁

Like I said above, Trump and his team also failed to do so when they pretty recently controlled DOJ and it's nationwide jurisdiction so IDK, you tell me why they failed to do what is so blindingly obvious to you. Trump talked quite a bit about Biden and Ukraine and corruption during the 2020 campaign, hell he was even impeached for trying to extort Zelensky over this exact issue, so why did he not have Barr bring charges against Hunter or Joe at that point? After the first impeachment, when Trump felt so very unfairly targeted and aggrieved, why did he not have Barr charge Hunter or fire him and find an AG who would?

BL: call me naive, whatever, I don't care. The ideal is not how it works now nor ever and I get that, but that's how it should work and therefore that's what I'm going to call for and expect and support. Equal justice under the law, no one is above the law.

Edited June 13, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

8 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Y'all can bring up a bunch of stuff on Hunter and Joe and whatever and I'm not subscribed to the Biden Crime Cinematic Universe (BCCU) nearly as much as some of you guys, but there are plenty of conservative prosecutors, DAs, state AGs, etc. who could bring charges if they wanted and had jurisdiction. But they (so far) haven't. I'll give a pass to Ken Paxton down in TX, he has been a little busy with legal issues of his own 😁

Like I said above, Trump and his team also failed to do so when they pretty recently controlled DOJ and it's nationwide jurisdiction so IDK, you tell me why they failed to do what is so blindingly obvious to you. Trump talked quite a bit about Biden and Ukraine and corruption during the 2020 campaign, hell he was even impeached for trying to extort Zelensky over this exact issue, so why did he not have Barr bring charges against Hunter or Joe at that point? After the first impeachment, when Trump felt so very unfairly targeted and aggrieved, why did he not have Barr charge Hunter or fire him and find an AG who would?

BL: call me naive, whatever, I don't care. The ideal is not how it works now nor ever and I get that, but that's how it should work and therefore that's what I'm going to call for and expect and support. Equal justice under the law, no one is above the law.

One basic flaw in your assertion...a very flawed FBI that fought against the President at every turn.  Leading up to and under the Trump administration, the FBI actively worked against Trump with falsified FISA warrants, a dossier they knew to be fake (which they allowed to be used to help impeach a sitting President), they helped to suppress the laptop story during the election (when they had a copy of said laptop).  And, recently it comes to light that for years the FBI has had a memo that outlines a bribe scheme with the Bidens...and when several whistle blowers exposed the existence of that memo, the FBI actively fights to keep the memo secret.  Come on Man...

Now there are assertions of tapes of Joe and Hunter openly discussion the scheme with execs at Burisma.  If there is even a possibility this is true, IMHO it is most certainly worth investigation...seriously don't you think we should at least try to find out if the sitting Vice President of the United States traded political favors for cash payments...especially if that Hombre is now in the White House, you know in the spirit of equal treatment under the law and all that stuff...

[nsplayr]

Then why did President Trump do nothing? He spoke very frequently about Biden being corrupt and the laptop and Ukraine and etc., remember he was impeached for extorting Ukraine over alleged Biden corruption.

He appointed Chris Wray to lead the FBI, after firing the previous guy. He appointed Bill Barr to lead DOJ, after firing the previous guy. He himself lead the entire executive branch as President.

I’ll ask again: why was this supposed clear & obvious, open-and-shut case of Biden corruption while VP not taken care of during Trump’s four years in office?

Edited June 13, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Then why did President Trump do nothing? He spoke very frequently about Biden being corrupt and the laptop and Ukraine and etc., remember he was impeached for extorting Ukraine over alleged Biden corruption.

He appointed Chris Wray to lead the FBI, after firing the previous guy. He appointed Bill Barr to lead DOJ, after firing the previous guy. He himself lead the entire executive branch as President.

I’ll ask again: why was this supposed clear & obvious, open-and-shut case of Biden corruption while VP not taken care of during Trump’s four years in office?

Have you not read any of the reports and investigations.  POTUS can't (and shouldn't), force those efforts...especially when lower levels in the system conceal the evidence.  At numerous levels the FBI was ACTIVELY working against Trump and they covered up evidence.  I get it, they didn't like him, I don't either but they let that bleed over and crush their ethics.  Again...the FBI FALSIFIED FISA warrants...they KNEW the dossier was fake and didn't tell anyone...they had a copy of the laptop and helped promote a narrative that the story was false...and they had the memo on Biden but none of that made it to Wray and Barr.  The first three items are all facts...are you cool that they suppressed these items?

Dude at the end of the day I want Trump to go away and if the latest deal takes him out of play...cool beans, but there is some serious rot in the FBI and it helped sway an impeachment, an election and it is potentially covering for a corrupt POTUS.

[Trogdor]

22 hours ago, Pooter said:

Yeah man.. welcome to the real world. The right isn't exactly jumping through their ass to prosecute their own people either. Last I checked the DOJ is under the executive branch.  Do you live in some moral high ground fantasy land where it's realistic to expect Biden to prosecute himself? Or his son? Or his friends?
 

You're talking about how politics should be. I'm talking about how politics is. If you want to even the scales, stop complaining and start winning. 

Think nsplayer covered it.... But man, if it's the common and public position that the DOJ should enforce the law based on who is in power, then we are in a sad state as a country.

Isn't this relative moral high ground you describe one of the reasons our country decided to go it's own way a couple hundred years ago?

 

[Sua Sponte]

Did the DOJ indict Trump or did a grand jury?

[Sim]

 

[GrndPndr]

So, "Indian Ocean..." was on-script?

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1669187098371391490?s=20

[O Face]

3 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

So, "Indian Ocean..." was on-script?

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1669187098371391490?s=20

Now I finally get why Nsplayer and this guy are so excited about Joe Biden…Water Trains!!  That’s badass!!!

[nsplayr]

Hell yea! I mean if we can do it LFG, I’d take a transoceanic train from Mumbai to Mombasa 😂 Ok maybe not…

[Pajaro]

I'm a pretty conservative guy, but just listened to this Joe Rogan episode with Robert Kennedy Jr and was blown away. It's mostly about vaccines, so now I need to read The Real Anthony Fauci. It's a fantastic conversation. Here's the link: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3DQfcTY4viyXsIXQ89NXvg?si=rX2hS2ONSFO8o0jLJVv9vg

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Pajaro

[Biff_T]

I hopped a boxcar train full of rubber dildos to Diego Garcia lol.  

[VMFA187]

1 hour ago, Pajaro said:

I'm a pretty conservative guy, but just listened to this Joe Rogan episode with Robert Kennedy Jr and was blown away. It's mostly about vaccines, so now I need to read The Real Anthony Fauci. It's a fantastic conversation. Here's the link: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3DQfcTY4viyXsIXQ89NXvg?si=rX2hS2ONSFO8o0jLJVv9vg

 

Just started the interview during my workout this morning but the book is well worth the read. I hope this interview gets RFKJ out there because the normal media is certainly not covering him. 

[Lord Ratner]

RFK Jr is more than a little nuts, but I think part of the problem is that when you are involved in a conspiracy and see just how truly insane it can be, it becomes too easy to see conspiracies behind every shadow. That said, he points out the absolute insanity of modern democrats aligning themselves with big pharma companies, And if you had told any Democrat that 5 or 10 years ago they would have laughed in your face. So maybe he's not that crazy.

 

That said, he seems completely uncorrupted by progressive identity politics. The real question though is who are "his people?" For everybody clamoring about how Joe Biden ran as a moderate and became a hyper progressive, that's because Joe Biden never had people. So when it came time to staff his administration, it was all a bunch of Obama and Clinton staffers, and the Obama ones in particular have been hyper progressive for a long time. Trump showed that it's difficult to overcome the upper and middle management ranks, and Joe Biden barely has the cognitive capacity to read a cue card, much less manage the subversive interests of hyperpolitical underlings.

 

I like that RFK is an old school liberal, but I would be shocked to find out that he has any sort of meaningful network, and that's vital when it comes time to staff the administration, at least if you have any intent on controlling it and bending it to your agenda.

 

But I would vote for him over Trump in a microsecond. If it's Trump Biden I'll probably just toss the vote to the libertarian.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Lord Ratner

[BashiChuni]

I’d vote for RFK over trump as well. His interview on Rogan was very intriguing 

[Sim]

Absolutely bonkers. Voting for a party that's actively working against constitution while calling Christians and vets terrorists just because mockingbird media told "orange man bad". 

[Lord Ratner]

13 hours ago, Sim said:

Absolutely bonkers. Voting for a party that's actively working against constitution while calling Christians and vets terrorists just because mockingbird media told "orange man bad". 

I know you might very well be too fucking stupid to communicate with, and I say that only because I've had to read what you post here, but I don't need the media to tell me that Trump is a fucking asshole, doesn't give two shits about this country, and has violated every moral clause that most of us consider important. And he does so without having any shred of remorse or regard for other people. There is no one he hasn't betrayed.

 

I still voted for him, because I'm capable of having more than one thought in my head at a time. But he has lost his fucking marbles and demonstrated with absolute inescapable clarity that he will never put anything above his own vanity. The country deserves more than that. Unfortunately, Joe Biden is not better than that. But there are democrats who are, and if by some miracle the Democratic party can find it in themselves to nominate someone who actually loves this country more than they love themselves or enriching themselves, I will vote for that person before I vote for Donald Trump.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Lord Ratner

[Sim]

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

I know you might very well be too fucking stupid to communicate with, and I say that only because I've had to read what you post here, but I don't need the media to tell me that Trump is a fucking asshole, doesn't give two shits about this country, and has violated every moral clause that most of us consider important. And he does so with having any shred of remorse for regard for other people. There is no one he hasn't betrayed.

You sound vaccinated. Go take another booster. 

[TreeA10]

At least Senile Joe is now saying "God save the queen" despite the fact we separated from the Brits over 200 years ago plus she's dead.  So, we've got that going for us.

Edited June 16, 2023 by TreeA10

[VMFA187]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Trump is a fucking asshole, doesn't give two shits about this country, and has violated every moral clause that most of us consider important. 

 

Who in the democratic party doesn't fulfill all of those criticisms? And I think Trump is one of the few do care about this country. His actions speak louder than most all who have come before him. 

Are you going to vote for Newsom? 

The fact that you knowingly voted for someone who couldn't put together thoughts, even at the time he was running for president, says a significant amount. 

[Clayton Bigsby]

lol you think Trump actually gives two fucks about anything beyond himself