The Next President is...

nunya · June 20, 2023

2 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

If RFKJ wants to think the moon is made of cheese great

But would ya eat it?

nsplayr · June 20, 2023

Just now, nunya said:

But would ya eat it?

Nom nom nom I do love cheese 😁

Prozac · June 20, 2023

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This is a man who believes

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

that Prozac causes mass shootings,

Now wait just a damned minute! 🤣

tac airlifter · June 20, 2023

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Why is there no investigation?! (There was one since 2018)

Why are there no charges?! (Here they are)

But he’s guilty!! (He pled guilty to some of the charges and took a deal on others, which is common)

You’re wrong that this is “common.” You or I would be in prison for over a decade doing what he is on video doing. Standard Democrat two tier justice system in action.
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Former U.S. Attorney Brett L. Tolman has slammed the plea deal offered to Hunter Biden by Democrat President Joe Biden’s the Department of Justice (DOJ).

Tolman said: “DOJ is violating its own internal policies on this case.

“The Ashcroft Memo requires they charge the ‘highest provable offense’ and seek consistent sentences with other cases brought by DOJ.

“This prosecution is an absolute laughable joke.

“Thousands have been sent to prison for long terms for the same charges. They are ignoring decades of policy and precedent to seek felonies not misdemeanors and seek sentences within the guideline range.

“The diversion agreement on the felony is offensive to everyone not politically connected who sought diversions and were literally laughed at by DOJ.

“Thousands of people have been prosecuted under Project Safe Neighborhoods by DOJ.

“They brag about getting nearly 5 years of prison time on average for their gun cases.

“If they followed policy, Hunter would be looking at a minimum of 5 years in federal prison.

“But he’s a Biden.

“Take a look at 18 USC 924(c) charges.

“Easy to prove given Hunter was distributed/dealing drugs with a firearm in his possession.

“Such charges were brought against thousands in inner cities across the country for last 20 years.

“Mandatory minimum sentences for all. Except Hunter.

“Since Hunter “brandished” his firearm during the commission of a drug crime, he would be looking at a mand min of 7 years in fed prison.

“DOJ could also add on top and min possession of child pornography if any of the girls were underage, plus on top of that years for tax evasion.

“If DOJ treated Hunter Biden like the thousands of no-names who get prosecuted he would be looking at decades in federal prison.

nsplayr · June 20, 2023

If Brett Tolman (Republican) wants to air these concerns, be should call up David Weiss (Republican) and harass him for being so soft on crime. I bet he can get his number from a mutual acquaintance.

If the case were so easy to prove and win a harsher sentence, why did the Trump-appointed US Attorney for Delaware pork it up so badly? It’s easy to talk a big game on cable, you even get paid handsomely to do so! It’s harder when it’s your name is on the case and you have to bring it in court for real I’m imagining.

So if you want more politically-driven slam drunk prosecutions of Dems, y’all gotta get your appointments squared away apparently. Sorry this one didn’t quench your bloodlust, even though I was told in no uncertain terms Hunter would never even be charged.

I for one want my US Attorneys to prosecute all criminals and seek sentences that are appropriate for cases they think they can win. No special deals but also no throwing the book at low level dudes, which we’ve unfortunately done a lot of over the years.

Maybe Trump had different criteria when filling these important positions in the federal government, IDK. Tolman should ask Trump during his next ring kissing session maybe.

Hard to blame the evil Dems here IMHO.

gearhog · June 20, 2023

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

You’re correct that I did not rebut RFKJ’s ridiculous claims, and I don’t plan on it. As to where he gets his ideas, IDK, aliens injected them up his ass when he got abducted maybe?

Vaccines do not cause autism.

I don't know, man. Unless you're an actual doctor or a pilot, there's no way you can say this with any degree of authority. As I said, I do a fair amount of reading, and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of medical research publications, by actual doctors, that say that the probability is high. One quick search on one medical journal website yields countless results. I'm not saying the vaccines cause it, but the possibility is not zero, or even low.

Are all of these doctors conspiracy theorists? You can get similar results by searching the other issues you brought up. These reports may be right, they may be wrong, but you're certainly not in any sort of position to say which ones are or are not, and if you are being honest about finding truth, you'd see others have gone a great deal further in supporting their theories than you have. Just saying "I believe in Occam's razor in 99.9% of issues" is kind of lazy.

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

I hate conspiracy theorists. Yes there are actual conspiracies in the world, but that doesn’t mean everything is a conspiracy. Occam’s Razor, uncertainty, and poorly executed plans explain like 99.69% of situations. It’s just a personality type I loathe and refuse to deal with. I sometimes take the time to rant or mock them because it is a little bit satisfying to dunk on people who are so consistently wrong.

If RFKJ wants to think the moon is made of cheese great, but GTFO out of here thinking you can be President or represent my party - you can’t and you don’t.

I think you're calling anything you don't agree with or want to believe a conspiracy theory. You're just articulating personal biases instead of presenting a rational thought. People with wealth and power often act in ways that are not in the best interest of others. It's not conspiracy, it's just human nature. To believe otherwise is pretty naive.

Edited June 20, 2023 by gearhog

Prozac · June 20, 2023

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

I don't know, man. Unless you're an actual doctor or a pilot, there's no way you can say this with any degree of authority. As I said, I do a fair amount of reading, and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of medical research publications, by actual doctors, that say that the probability is high. One quick search on one medical journal website yields countless results. I'm not saying the vaccines cause it, but the possibility is not zero, or even low.

* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092

Are all of these doctors conspiracy theorists? You can get similar results by searching the other issues you brought up. These reports may be right, they may be wrong, but you're certainly not in any sort of position to say which ones are or are not, and if you are being honest about finding truth, you'd see others have gone a great deal further in supporting their theories than you have. Just saying "I believe in Occam's razor in 99.9% of issues" is kind of lazy.

I think you're calling anything you don't agree with or want to believe a conspiracy theory. You're just articulating personal biases instead of presenting a rational thought. People with wealth and power often act in ways that are not in the best interest of others. It's not conspiracy, it's just human nature. To believe otherwise is pretty naive.

Jesus dude. No, they don’t. Please keep your kids out of public schools.

gearhog · June 20, 2023

7 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Jesus dude. No, they don’t. Please keep your kids out of public schools.

Your feelings are duly noted. And disregarded. Don't worry, my adult children went to a private school, they weren't with yours.

Day Man · June 21, 2023

2 hours ago, gearhog said:

* https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092

only clicked one since I assumed they're all bullshit, lo and behold...

"is capable"..."could be causal" ≠ high probability

guess what else is harmful at 20x normal amounts? water. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/)

Prozac · June 21, 2023

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

Your feelings are duly noted. And disregarded. Don't worry, my adult children went to a private school, they weren't with yours.

You do realize you’re deep into coo coo for coco puffs, tinfoil hat, complete nut job territory here? Hard to take a word you say here seriously after that.

gearhog · June 21, 2023

8 minutes ago, Day Man said:

only clicked one since I assumed they're all bullshit, lo and behold...

"is capable"..."could be causal" ≠ high probability

guess what else is harmful at 20x normal amounts? water. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/)

You randomly selected one article, pulled 5 words out of context, failed to specify where you found them, then state you assumed all medical research in the National Library of Medicine is bullshit.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just examining your method. I gotta tell ya, I'm a bit skeptical about the way you science.

gearhog · June 21, 2023

21 minutes ago, Prozac said:

You do realize you’re deep into coo coo for coco puffs, tinfoil hat, complete nut job territory here? Hard to take a word you say here seriously after that.

After what? Notice the lack of concern. 100% of your position is purely ad hominem. Why would I care what you take seriously?

Unrelated: Did you eat a lot of fish or chew on a mercury thermometer as a kid? I have a hypothesis. Doing some research. Gonna try to have it published at PubMed.

Edited June 21, 2023 by gearhog

Pooter · June 21, 2023

4 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

8 hours ago, nsplayr said:

You’re wrong that this is “common.” You or I would be in prison for over a decade doing what he is on video doing. Standard Democrat two tier justice system in action.

Correction: standard two-tier justice system **for rich and connected people of all political persuasions** in action.

Money buys good lawyers. Good lawyers get you out of things. I'm sure having daddy as president doesn't hurt, but fundamentally if you are rich and connected in this country you live (mostly) above the law, left, right, and center.

Funny part is trump has stepped in it so hard with these classified docs that even the most talented lawyers might not get him out of this one. Especially when he continues to self-incriminate almost daily through social media posts and/or tv appearances.

It takes a special level of ego to continue blabbing against the advice of all of your lawyers, and I'm so so here for it. Even barely sentient houseplant Biden has enough legal common sense to deflect or no-comment in response to questions about his derelict son.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Pooter

ClearedHot · June 21, 2023

8 hours ago, nsplayr said:

🤷‍♂️ I was told on good authority by Baseops, Esq. that he would not be charged and couldn’t be charged because he was being protected by The Big Guy.

I guess next time I’ll pay for my legal advice instead of relying on the Shitposter School of Law graduates we all are around here.

😅

Why is there no investigation?! (There was one since 2018)

Why are there no charges?! (Here they are)

But he’s guilty!! (He pled guilty to some of the charges and took a deal on others, which is common)

Rabble rabble rabble…nevertheless.

You are literally out of your Fing mind trying to spike the ball on this...GTFOH. He got a sweetheart deal that certainly would not have been extended to a President's son if his last name was Trump. Oh he got a common deal, yeah the President's son (who according to your messiah did nothing wrong), failed to pay taxes on $1.5M and committed a felony by purchasing and possessing a gun as a freaking crackhead and walks away with a misdemeanor and no jail time. Don Jr or Erik would be ion their way to Supermax.

Cry my a river of justice when you admit the dossier was fake and someone is help accountable.

When you admit the laptop was real and the FBI had it all along and ACTIVELY suppressed it along with 51 intelligence professionals.

When someone seriously investigates "10% for the Big Guy"

Or when you admit we should at least investigate if the accusation that Biden took a bribe as the siting VPOTUS.

Seriously dude if you think this is equal and appropriate justice you need a random urinalysis.

GTFOH

nsplayr · June 21, 2023

9 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Correction: standard two-tier justice system **for rich and connected people of all political persuasions** in action.

Money buys good lawyers. Good lawyers get you out of things. I'm sure having daddy as president doesn't hurt, but fundamentally if you are rich and connected in this country you live (mostly) above the law, left, right, and center.

Funny part is trump has stepped in it so hard with these classified docs that even the most talented lawyers might not get him out of this one. Especially when he continues to self-incriminate almost daily through social media posts and/or tv appearances.

It takes a special level of ego to continue blabbing against the advice of all of your lawyers, and I'm so so here for it. Even barely sentient houseplant Biden has enough legal common sense to deflect or no-comment in response to questions about his derelict son.

All true, agree with you here.

nsplayr · June 21, 2023

4 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Don Jr or Erik would be ion their way to Supermax.

I highly doubt this. See Pooter's post above about two-tiered justice, which absolutely exists. It takes a special case of stupid to be found guilty of serious charges when you can afford the best and most connected lawyers. Trump is certainly trying his damndest though!

5 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Or when you admit we should at least investigate if the accusation that Biden took a bribe as the siting VPOTUS.

I believe this is ongoing in the House. Last I checked they may have lost the "smoking gun" audio recordings or something, IDK, I'm sure you are tracking this more closely than me.

What I'm spiking the ball on is this: many of y'all said "Biden's son could never be charged!" Well guess what, he was, pled guilty to some tax crimes and got a year of probation for a gun-related crime. Seems like decent justice to me, y'all can quibble if you want but I think it's good when criminals face justice, even when they are the son of the President of the United States.

gearhog · June 21, 2023

12 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

What I'm spiking the ball on is this: many of y'all said "Biden's son could never be charged!" Well guess what, he was, pled guilty to some tax crimes and got a year of probation for a gun-related crime. Seems like decent justice to me, y'all can quibble if you want but I think it's good when criminals face justice, even when they are the son of the President of the United States.

Get a load of this guy. I think he might be serious.

😆

nsplayr · June 21, 2023

4 hours ago, gearhog said:

(The idea that vaccines cause autism)

As I said, I do a fair amount of reading, and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of medical research publications, by actual doctors, that say that the probability is high.

I'll start out by saying this...

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Thank you for picking the topic among RFKJ's vast web of conspiracies that I know the most about.

Ok, so I have an autistic child and have gotten what I consider a great layman's education on the disorder. The causes are not fully understood, but BL it's some combination of genetics and environmental factors, e.g. in-utero maternal stress, maternal immune system disorders, pollution exposure, etc.

FWIW there have been lots of studies on vaccine ingredients to see if those could be a contributing environmental factor, and the consensus is no, at least not to the degree that outweighs the benefit of receiving the vaccines. Also vaccine manufacturers have changed some of the ingredients used in vaccines over time in response to both founded and unfounded fears about them.

Autism is a challenging condition but one that's always been found in humans. Autistic people aren't "diseased" in a way that's curable or even necessarily bad, they're different in a way that's part of the human condition. There's also a spectrum of impacts the disorder can cause, and autistic people range from very high-functioning geniuses (e.g. Einstein, Turing, etc.) to people who are quite disabled, non-verbal, etc. and require lifelong care. The saying goes, "If you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person," and clinicians really do treat every case individually because much more so than with some other conditions, YMMV.

But don't take my word for it, even though I have up-close and personal experience. You didn't know that before. What I recommended was not Google MD your way into backing up your beliefs, frankly that's easy. I do recommend that you talk to your personal or family doctor. Please do that and I'd love to hear what they say.

Now granted, not every physician is an expert in autism, although anyone providing you primary care should be familiar enough to tell you it's not caused by vaccines, a few odd quack doctors out of millions aside. If however you do want to consult with some true experts, here are some near me who have been tremendously helpful in helping me understand autism:

Dr. Rachael Hundley, PhD - clinical psychologist
Dr. Angela Maxwell-Horn, MD - pediatrician and developmental medicine specialist
Dr. Linda Ashford, PhD - clinical psychologist
Dr. Julie Lounds Taylor, PhD - research psychologist
Dr. Sloan Sparks, DNP, PMHNP - psych nurse practitioner

These are all fantastic doctors that I know personally and who know this subject inside and out. I'm dead serious, reach out to one or all of them, those links to their bios all include phone numbers or email addresses.

Since you said you like to read, this book was recommended to me multiple times and I found it really helpful in understanding autism better, since I used to know little to nothing about it. Uniquely Human by Barry Prizant, PhD. Highly respected autism researcher with 50+ years of experience with studying autism and autistic people.

BLOB (bottom line on bottom): vaccines don't cause autism.

Also we landed on the moon, the earth is round, and anyone who believes any of these asinine conspiracies or others like it is officially too stupid to deal with, no matter how famous their family is.

Edited June 21, 2023 by nsplayr

lloyd christmas · June 21, 2023

On a different note. At least Vanderbilt has paused their gender affirming surgeries on minors.

gearhog · June 21, 2023

8 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

I'll start out by saying this...

Thank you for picking the topic among RFKJ's vast web of conspiracies that I know the most about.

Ok, so I have an autistic child and have gotten what I consider a great layman's education on the disorder. The causes are not fully understood, but BL it's some combination of genetics and environmental factors, e.g. in-utero maternal stress, maternal immune system disorders, pollution exposure, etc.

FWIW there have been lots of studies on vaccine ingredients to see if those could be a contributing environmental factor, and the consensus is no, at least not to the degree that outweighs the benefit of receiving the vaccines. Also vaccine manufacturers have changed some of the ingredients used in vaccines over time in response to both founded and unfounded fears about them.

Autism is a challenging condition but one that's always been found in humans. Autistic people aren't "diseased" in a way that's treatable, they're different in a way that's part of the human condition. There's also a spectrum of impacts the disorder can cause, and autistic people range from very high-functioning geniuses (e.g. Einstein, Turing, etc.) to people who are quite disabled, non-verbal, etc. and require lifelong care. The saying goes, "If you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person," and clinicians really do treat every case individually because much more so than with some other conditions, YMMV.

But don't take my word for it, even though I have up-close and personal experience. You didn't know that before. What I recommended is not to Google MD your way into backing up your beliefs, frankly that's easy. I do recommend that you talk to your personal or family doctor. Please do that and I'd love to hear what they say.

Now granted, not every physician is an expert in autism, although anyone providing you primary care should be familiar enough to tell you it's not caused by vaccines, a few odd quack doctors out of millions aside. If however you do want to consult with some true experts, here are some near me who have been tremendously helpful in helping me understand autism:

Dr. Rachael Hundley, PhD - clinical psychologist

Dr. Angela Maxwell-Horn, MD - pediatrician and developmental medicine specialist

Dr. Linda Ashford, PhD - clinical psychologist

Dr. Julie Lounds Taylor, PhD - research psychologist

Dr. Sloan Sparks, DNP, PMHNP - psych nurse practitioner

These are all fantastic doctors that I know personally and who know this subject inside and out. I'm dead serious, reach out to one or all of them, those links to their bios all include phone numbers or email addresses.

Since you said you like to read, this book was recommended to me multiple times and I found it really helpful in understanding autism better, since I used to know little to nothing about it. Uniquely Human by Barry Prizant, PhD. Highly respected autism researcher with 50+ years of experience with studying autism and autistic people.

BLOB (bottom line on bottom): vaccines don't cause autism.

Also we landed on the moon, the earth is round, and anyone who believes any of these asinine conspiracies or others like it is officially too stupid to deal with, no matter how famous their family is.

I'll start by saying I won't make light of your situation and sincerely wish you and your child the best in dealing with it. My wife is a special needs school teacher of 17 years. I have a nephew with autism.

Again, reread everything I have posted. I have never once made the definitive claim that vaccines cause autism. I said that I had just begun listening to the arguments surrounding the claims. There is a spectrum of possibility and I am open minded as to what the cause may be. You're not.

"The causes are not fully understood."

"The manufacturers have changed the ingredients due to founded and unfounded claims."

"Vaccines do not cause autism."

By your own admission, you don't know this for certain. My family doctor is an expert at prescribing the medication I request and googling my symptoms before he enters the room. A medical degree doesn't make you an expert in all things medical as my ATP doesn't make me an expert in all things aviation. We passed our tests.

It's clear you've chosen a political ideology and you will perform whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to stay entrenched in the approved narratives and beliefs.

gearhog · June 21, 2023

10 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

On a different note. At least Vanderbilt has paused their gender affirming surgeries on minors.

Telling a doctor they shouldn't be performing gender affirming surgeries is like smacking God himself in the face.

After all, they're the experts.

Edited June 21, 2023 by gearhog

lloyd christmas · June 21, 2023

4 minutes ago, gearhog said:

Telling a doctor they shouldn't be performing gender affirming surgeries is like smacking God himself in the face.

After all, they're the experts.

Correct.

The behavioral experts cited by nsplayr aren’t experts in vaccines.

I can remember a time when he was quoting Fauci on vaccine issues. Funny how we don’t hear anything about that anymore.

nsplayr · June 21, 2023

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

I have never once made the definitive claim that vaccines cause autism.

But you're just asking questions right?

I treat this like someone saying the moon landing was faked. Or "maybe it was faked." I mean, it could have been, it's not totally impossible, I'll give ya that! But it wasn't. Anyone still left saying the moon landing was faked is a f-ing moron who I am under no obligation to take seriously.

Ask the doctors I gave you contact info for. They are experts in autism very specifically and can explain in more precise detail than my layman's summary the likely causes of, current best treatments for, and anything else you'd like to know about it. They will all tell you it is not caused by vaccines.

They all fully vaccinate themselves and their children...I asked! I have a second child who doesn't have an autism diagnosis (yet) and so I literally asked, hey, is there anything different we could or should do with the recommended childhood vaccine schedule to ward off any additional risk of her developing autism too? They said no.

Anyways, believe what you want I guess, but just stay out of medicine and policymaking if you have doubts about this one.

While you're in the "just asking questions" phase, any speculative thoughts about the pyramids or earthquakes you'd like to share?

Edited June 21, 2023 by nsplayr

Pooter · June 21, 2023

Yeah RFKJ is a quack on many issues. No doubt about it. But he is a well-intentioned quack, which is more than can be said about most of the political elite class.

gearhog · June 21, 2023

6 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

But you're just asking questions right?

I treat this like someone saying the moon landing was faked. Or "maybe it was faked." I mean, it could have been, it's not totally impossible, I'll give ya that! But it wasn't. Anyone still left saying the moon landing was faked is a f-ing moron who I am under no obligation to take seriously.

Ask the doctors I gave you contact info for. They are experts in autism very specifically and can explain in more precise detail than my layman's summary the likely causes of, current best treatments for, and anything else you'd like to know about it. They will all tell you it is not caused by vaccines.

They all fully vaccinate themselves and their children...I asked! I have a second child who doesn't have an autism diagnosis (yet) and so I literally asked, hey, is there anything different we could or should do with the recommended childhood vaccine schedule to ward off any additional risk of her developing autism too? They said no.

Anyways, believe what you want I guess, but just stay out of medicine and policymaking if you have doubts about this one.

While you're in the "just asking questions" phase, any speculative thoughts about the pyramids or earthquakes you'd like to share?

Wait a sec. I want to understand this correctly. You’re telling me after your first child had autism, you went to your doctors asking if you should change up the vaccine schedule for your next child who may have autism in an attempt to prevent it? And they said “no”? While, in the very same breath, you’re berating anyone for “asking questions” about the very same issue you did? Sounds like you were “just asking questions” long before me.

How does is the glaring hypocrisy not apparent to you?

A couple of docs told you “No” and you act like you’ve been handed the secrets of the universe “dunking on” anyone who disagrees with your esteemed hometown docs. Then, you go on in an attempt to associate any other irrelevant nonsense with the same autism question you yourself inquired about.

Why would you share a meme accusing me of mental illness as an insult when you actually have a mental developmental disorder in your own household? Seems crass on your part.

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