The Next President is...

[nsplayr]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Ahhh no.  You are mixing approval rating with 68% of people thinking Biden is not mentally capable, HUGE freaking difference.

Sure, being perceived as too old and feeble to serve in the office you're running for isn't ideal. I would advise candidates to not get that reputation lol. Memo to Dianne Feinstein - retire you old hag!

I for one also think Biden is older than is ideal for such an important job, but we/he shit the bed picking Harris as the VP and based on her weakness, Uncle Joe has to let it ride one last time. But I will be voting for him over the likely Republican candidates, although y'all could surprise me and nominate someone great and with crossover appeal to Dems, but the way things look right now, I highly, highly doubt that will happen.

You go to war with the army you have, as one asshole once said. If Whitmer or Warnock or Buttigieg or Polis or Klobuchar wants to run and Biden bows out, freaking sign me up, I'll be working the phone banks when I'm not on orders. But I can't support Harris first and foremost because she won't win, so we're kinda stuck. I was cheekily in favor of a bank-shot move of appoint Harris to SCOTUS rather than Kentanji-Brown and put someone more politically viable in VP slot, but those kind House of Cards moves don't usually work out IRL.

BL: if the next election is perceived by the voting public as a referendum on Biden, he'll probably lose. If it's seen as a choice between Biden and Trump/DeSantis/etc., he is probably favored to win as an incumbent.

People can think of a candidate whatever they will, when there are two names on the ballot the only thing you have to do is get more votes than the other guy. Lots of people thought Trump was a huge a-hole in 2016 but also hated Clinton, and he won the voters who disliked both candidates and thus the election. He understood that as a candidate and spent more time making people hate her than trying to get moderates to love him and it worked.

As re-elect campaigns go, 2012 Obama successfully made it a choice between himself and Romney. Same with 2004 Bush and Kerry. 2020 was a referendum on Trump more so than everyone head-over-heels loving Biden, and he lost.

Those are the historical races most relevant to 2024, although we haven't had a back-to-back exact re-run since 1956 so there are some different dynamics there than 2004, 2012 or 2020.

Edited June 26, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

14 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Sure, being perceived as too old and feeble to serve in the office you're running for isn't ideal. I would advise candidates to not get that reputation lol. Memo to Dianne Feinstein - retire you old hag!

"Isn't ideal"...bro, with spin like that and after the asswhooping the mainstream press put on KJP then Kirby during the press breifing today, you might want to apply for the Press Secretary job.  Both flat out refused to address the questions and Kirby after swooping in to save KJP, got so flustered he rage quit the press conference...talk about a bad optic.

I honestly think the mainstream press has decided to exit Joe stage right.  The are actually asking tough questions and dedicating actual airtime to discuss the investigation.  It sure looks like they are prepping him for an offramp so crazy Newsome

Combine above with the steady drip of details, and those details are not coming from Foxnews.  I was watching the Sky News from Australia today (I have a work trip coming up), when the news broke that they traced the financial records and discovered Hunter bought his dad a burner phone that Joe used WHILE HE WAS THE VP.  Hunter paid $300 a month for the ATT phone and purchased burner phone apps that allowed his to use one phone to create new/fake numbers for phone calls.  As always....follow the money!

Are you ready to acknowledge a Special Counsel should at least look and see if Joe is in fact the Big Guy and any wrongdoing occurred while he was VP?

[nsplayr]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

"Isn't ideal"...bro, with spin like that and after the asswhooping the mainstream press put on KJP then Kirby during the press breifing today, you might want to apply for the Press Secretary job.

Thank you, I'll consider it after I get that sweet, sweet TAFMS check 😂 Actually no, because mouthpiece I mean press secretary is a terrible, thankless job and I've already been the mouthpiece at SERE with predictable results ::slap!:: 

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I honestly think the mainstream press has decided to exit Joe stage right.  The are actually asking tough questions and dedicating actual airtime to discuss the investigation.  It sure looks like they are prepping him for an offramp so crazy Newsome

I think you trailed off there, need to up the dose the Geritol again 🥃 

But I think I know where you were going, and I just don't think that's likely. I also think I know Dem politics better than most around here, but then again I've been wrong once or twice before and I'm open to it happening again!

If Diamond Joe steps down, Harris hand waive hand waive disappears and somehow Newsome of all people is the 2024 Dem nominee, I'll send ya a bottle of something decent. Care to make a bet on it being Biden? You certainly have more money to blow on stupid bets than I do!

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I was watching the Sky News from Australia today...

Well I spend 0.0 minutes watching cable news per week on average, so you'd have to tell me. Then again, bringing up Sky News as something fundamentally different than Fox News when it was also started by Rupert Murdoch...lol ok.

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Are you ready to acknowledge a Special Counsel should at least look and see if Joe is in fact the Big Guy and any wrongdoing occurred while he was VP?

If the facts support that then sure, investigate away! Investigating a sitting President is harder than a typical case, but certainly not without recent precedent!

I can't say this enough times, if y'all want a broad prosecution of white collar, politically connected criminals: Your. Terms. Are. Acceptable.

Edited June 27, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

It is a sweet irony when one mocks a typo with two of their own.  I'm old, what's your excuse?  Perhaps it is you that needs the meds...just sayin.  🥃

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

If Diamond Joe steps down, Harris hand waive hand waive disappears

I trailed off and you are repeating.

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

If the facts support than then sure, investigate away!

You ok bro?  You are starting to sound like your boy Diamond Joe with the mumbling.

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

You ok bro?  You are starting to sound like your boy Diamond Joe with the mumbling.

It’s five o clock somewhere….

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

It is a sweet irony when one mocks a typo with two of their own.  I'm old, what's your excuse?  Perhaps it is you that needs the meds...just sayin.  🥃

I trailed off and you are repeating.

You ok bro?  You are starting to sound like your boy Diamond Joe with the mumbling.

First one is intentional, second one wasn't 😁 If you wanna make Harris magically go away you're gonna need 2x handwaives, bare minimum.

And yea, I'll take my meds in the form of tequila please 🇲🇽

[Lord Ratner]

On 6/26/2023 at 10:59 AM, brabus said:

Yet the recent Trump indictments have only increased his standing in the GOP polls. Just as the Dems want. Trump is the most likely to lose against the Dems, why is it so difficult for conservatives to see that!?

Because it's a team sport now for conservatives, as it has been for Democrats since Obama. And in team sports, your team can do no wrong....

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

Because it's a team sport now for conservatives, as it has been for Democrats since Obama. And in team sports, your team can do no wrong....

I’d say it’s more of an “ideological” sport vs team sport.  Case in point:  Joe Biden in 2024 and Trump in 2020.  If you’re left of center you’re going to vote for Biden in 2024 because he’s much more likely to support your ideology than his opponent, and a primary only weaker the Dem party/ideological cause.  Just as in 2020, you might have not been able to stand Trump personally, but if you’re right of center you were going to vote for Trump over Biden.  Very little of the vote (percentage wise) is truly up for grabs…though in swing states/tight races it definitely can affect the outcome.  So in reality, it’s mostly about turn out, and with going further and further away from needing to stand in line on Election Day to pull the lever, it’s only gotten easier to vote (even though progressives want us to think it’s the 1950s again wrt keeping minorities from voting).  So if only around 30% of country are truly a MAGA/love Trump type person and around 30% are vote for the progressive candidate (in this case Biden) no matter what…that leaves the rest down to motivating your side to vote and turning as much as the other side sour against their candidate as possible.

BL: Very little of the vote is up for grab regardless of the candidate, and ideology is ruling the day.  Hence why the two parties have only gone further left and further right.  And if you look at the way the country has been moving culturally the last 10-20 years, it’s not favoring the GOP.  Not saying it’s a good thing, it’s just the truth.

[Biff_T]

I know most people have probably seen this video.   But, how can this lying piece of shit be the our President?   Because Americans are too stupid to put aside political party pride to elect decent humans into power.   We're fucked as a country.  There is no coming back from the madness.  How can anyone defend the blatant lying?   If our president is this bad, I don’t imagine all of the other politicians are much better.  Quit being an idiot who's soley devoted to one party.  Do research on candidates before you vote.  Use your mind to think for yourself, not to agree with politicians and their beautiful words.  Im sick of only having the option to vote for incompetent liars.   How do we fix this?  

 

 

[TreeA10]

18 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

  How do we fix this?  

 

 

For starters, get involved in the primaries and donate to the candidate you want to win.  Unfortunately, there are bigger pockets with more cash than you and if they want a senile dementia addled octogenarian"Weekend At Bernies" style puppet or Super Ego Centric Orange Man in charge, you've got a huge uphill fight.

[Biff_T]

21 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

…Unfortunately, there are bigger pockets with more cash than you and if they want a senile dementia addled octogenarian"Weekend At Bernies" style puppet or Super Ego Centric Orange Man in charge, you've got a huge uphill fight.

If we the people can’t be represented without access to millions of dollars, then it’s broke.   Look at who we get for presidential candidates, senators, judges and etc…   It’s broke.   Liars who can’t pass a budget while making useless laws and dabbling with inside trading, that’s what’s occupying the seats set aside for leading this nation.  

We really need term limits for Congress.  I think this would help.   But it will be really hard to convince the people who have the power change this, to act.  

[BFM this]

2 hours ago, Biff_T said:

We really need term limits for Congress.  I think this would help.   But it will be really hard to convince the people who have the power change this, to act.  

Term limits seem like an easy fix, but much like the 17th Amendment, the devil is in the details.

Just term limiting congress-critters would power shift further toward entrenched bureaucrats.  Not necessarily a positive outcome.

[Biff_T]

2 hours ago, BFM this said:

Term limits seem like an easy fix, but much like the 17th Amendment, the devil is in the details.

Just term limiting congress-critters would power shift further toward entrenched bureaucrats.  Not necessarily a positive outcome.

Yeah.  But something has to give.  I dont think there is an easy fix.  Educating Americans about what is fucked with the status quo, electing people who care about helping others (not lining their pockets)  enacting some sort of term limit for congress, making lobbying illegal and a bunch of other changes will help.  Problem is, how do you convince the rule makers to change the rules?  We cant.   Voting doesn't work.   It's a lie to make us feel like we have some sort control of our Country's destiny.  We don't.  We are just being kept pacified with the current system.   We (Americans) argue against each other for the stupidest shit I believe humanity has ever seen: bonus holes, abortion, pushing a crazy agenda that helps a very small portion of society (trans movement) and etc... All the while, the middle class is disappearing and the dollar is capable of buying less and less.   We have a complulsive liar as our Commander and Chief.. How can he pass a security clearance when there is actual evidence of him telling lies?  The other option, has banged a porn star while he was still married.   

What about all of the rich dudes who banged underage girls at Epstein's Island?  Brushed under the rug.  

Our government is corrupt. This country will fail if we stay on the current course.  

Edited June 30, 2023 by Biff_T
Spelling bee failure

[ClearedHot]

Biden slammed after report reveals number of grandchildren his aides instructed to say publicly: 'Monsters'

"Biden is facing backlash from conservatives following a report that his aides have been told to say publicly that he only has six grandchildren, omitting Hunter Biden’s 4-year-old estranged daughter."

What an incredibly horrible human being.

[Biff_T]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Biden slammed after report reveals number of grandchildren his aides instructed to say publicly: 'Monsters'

"Biden is facing backlash from conservatives following a report that his aides have been told to say publicly that he only has six grandchildren, omitting Hunter Biden’s 4-year-old estranged daughter."

What an incredibly horrible human being.

I bet hes got a really high IQ and did better at his imaginary college experience than you, lol.  

He's a POS.   If he was in my squadron, I'd make sure he never got to touch an aircraft.   Would you want this dude on your wing?  I'd rather have a bag of dicks for dinner.  Lol

Imagine hearing his voice on the radio.   I'd be scared he'd land on me in an LZ because he thinks I'm a bowl of ice cream.  

[gearhog]

Happy Independence Day.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/07/03/white-house-substance-secret-service/

"The U.S. Secret Service is investigating a suspicious substance that prompted a brief evacuation when it was found Sunday evening inside the White House, according to law enforcement authorities.

In a preliminary test, the substance, a white powder, indicated positive for cocaine, according to an official familiar with the investigation and the recording of a dispatch from a D.C. fire crew that responded to the incident.

The discovery prompted an elevated security alert and a brief evacuation of the executive mansion, Guglielmi said. He said President Biden was not in the White House at the time. Guglielmi said there is “an investigation into the cause and manner” of how the substance entered the White House."

[HU&W]

2 hours ago, gearhog said:

Happy Independence Day.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/07/03/white-house-substance-secret-service/

"The U.S. Secret Service is investigating a suspicious substance that prompted a brief evacuation when it was found Sunday evening inside the White House, according to law enforcement authorities.

In a preliminary test, the substance, a white powder, indicated positive for cocaine, according to an official familiar with the investigation and the recording of a dispatch from a D.C. fire crew that responded to the incident.

The discovery prompted an elevated security alert and a brief evacuation of the executive mansion, Guglielmi said. He said President Biden was not in the White House at the time. Guglielmi said there is “an investigation into the cause and manner” of how the substance entered the White House."

I blame Trump.  He would be impeached for this if it happened while he was in office.  He probably will still be impeached for it anyway.  /s

[FourFans]

In other news, Hunter Biden has agreed to assist in the investigation with the stipulation that he be allowed to examine the evidence in private.

[DirkDiggler]

https://apple.news/ASHtk91JZSaKpp8361FrYaw
 

Interesting bit of history, not the first time apparently.

[Biff_T]

[disgruntledemployee]

Is he palming coke in to dad's pocket?  "Hey pops, can I take care of your laundry?"

[BashiChuni]

No shame from the democrats 

imagine if one of trumps kids was a fucking coke addict and left a bag in the WH…..JFC 

[Biff_T]

Maybe its Papa Biden's Colombian nose candy?  Lol.  It'd explain a lot about his erratic behavior the last few years.  They keep him coked up.  That's why he's always wearing shades.  

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

imagine if one of trumps kids was a fucking coke addict

Doesn’t take much imagination…

[ClearedHot]

8 hours ago, Prozac said:

Doesn’t take much imagination…

Donald Jr looks drunk...a HUGE difference from your boy's son.

Crack, Meth, and what ever he did...