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[brabus]

2 hours ago, Jam said:

If anything we need to make voting less restrictive.

How? It’s wildly unrestrictive as it is.

[O Face]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

How? It’s wildly unrestrictive as it is.

Thank you!  Agreed.  Case in point:
Georgia - “Hey guys you need to show some valid ID to vote here now”

Every Liberal (screaming) “That’s racist!!!!”

If I were a minority, I would be so offended by the notion that I was incapable of securing some valid form of ID for myself.  How do you tolerate, let alone vote for, politicians who constantly call you stupid?

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by O Face
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[Jam]

5 hours ago, brabus said:

How? It’s wildly unrestrictive as it is.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/voting-restrictions-by-state/
 

I think this article gives some good examples. To sum it up, our voter turnout is not great (somewhere around 60%). Sure some of that is people who don’t care but some of it is due to many states making it inconvenient to vote. Same day Voter registration, mail in ballots, early voting should all be options for legal voters. Not everyone has the option of showing up on Election Day.

4 hours ago, O Face said:

Thank you!  Agreed.  Case in point:
Georgia - “Hey guys you need to show some valid ID to vote here now”

Every Liberal (screaming) “That’s racist!!!!”

If I were a minority, I would be so offended by the notion that I was incapable of securing some valid form of ID for myself.  How do you tolerate, let alone vote for, politicians who constantly call you stupid?

 

I think both sides can compromise here if state IDs were just made free. I’d be all for voter ID in that case. If you’re going to require something for a basic right, shouldn’t have to pay for it. I know it’s a very small cost to all of us here, but none of my business to tell poor people what they can or can’t afford.

[FourFans]

20 hours ago, Prozac said:

Awww geee. Thanks for being such a fucking humanitarian. So glad I’ve got guys like you offering to legitimize me! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

12 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Very few here ever give anything valuable back in terms of debate. It’s frankly not worth it anymore for me.

If fellow military aviators (who happen to be liberal) aren’t sufficiently “humanized” for you, nothing I can say here will help.

I have a great mutual understanding with all the conservatives I know in real life - some friends, some family, some squadron homies. I do enjoy debating & talking with those people, have learned some good stuff, and have changed some previously held views over time. Same with friends who are fellow liberals and people everywhere in between.

I can’t say the same overall for folks here, and at this point, like I’ve alluded to previously, I’m just gonna stick to AF related stuff for the most part. 15 years of political sparing is a good run.

I won’t be be perfect though…everyone is a little bit of a crackhead about something in life 😉

Sadly, you both arrive: intellectually dissonant and unable to answer a straight question.

Were this a formation debrief: You're both weak souls who don't even deserve the honor of a backhand.  Weak Dick.

Oh, did that offend you? You both claim to be USAF aircrew members from the combat arms, yet you get touchy about political issues?  Really?  Get sack and man up you bitches.

I've read much of what both of you have spoken here, while neither of your have even once asked about my values.  Both of you value family.  Sincerely and in ways that I admire.  Both of you purport to stand stanchly by what you believe, which I also admire. 

I gather that neither of you would leave your children alone with any Biden, Trump, or Clinton male family member, yet you shrug when one of those same 'men' refuse to acknowledge their own offspring.  Neither of you would do that.  I have faith that both of your have stronger convictions then these individuals that lead our country, yet you defend your support of them.  Why?

Please, be intellectually honest.  Why are you defending those asshats by denying a clear response here?

You @nsplayr claim that you have good in-person relationships with people you disagree with when you are physically with them, yet when you are have no skin in the game, you cannot overcome differences.  That's not some relational virtue, that's being a coward about your real beliefs when physically present.  If you cannot see the cognitive dissonance there, you are either emotionally or cognitively impaired.  

All men are reduced to their lowest form of maturity when allowed to be anonymous.   It used to be while driving.  Now it's on the internet.   You both were asked a very simple, direct question.  No one will come after you physically for your answer, yet you dodge like you might be mugged for what you say.  You claim you'll be bludgeoned.   Seriously?  Are you so emotionally weak that you can't express your true believes in a venue where NOTHING WILL HAPPEN YOU YOU?

Your maturity is thus exposed.  I'm guessing at least one of you (if not both of you) is a captain at a major airline, and I find it sincerely sad that someone with such broad exposure and high responsibility would be so emotionally and mentally frail.  

Be men.   Do Better.

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by FourFans

[brabus]

@Jam

 By and large, voter turnout is low because people don’t give a fuck/don’t prioritize it. That’s it, it’s not cosmic or some political boogeyman. Ocasm’s razor and all that. 

- ID should be 100% required, every time. Subsidized state ID for those making $X or less, totally support it. I agree nobody should be barred from voting because they can’t afford an ID. But, that’s a red herring and barely a blip on the radar these days due to several factors

- I also think we should establish voting days as either holidays or at least make a law that every employer must provide X hours of PTO to allow employees to go vote during the work day if they’re unable to before/after work (which really only applies to those working a 12+ hour shift). For those not working every min the polls are open, they can vote, but it’s a personal choice and not anyone else’s fault if they choose not to

- Absentee ballots: YES. Mail-in ballots auto-sent to everyone: NO. If one doesn’t go the polls and also isn’t willing to put a few min of time into the absentee process because they know they won’t physically make it to the polls, then fuck ‘em, they have made the choice to not vote

To address the incredibly politically slanted drivel you linked to:

- Some states don’t have Election Day registration: Um, you had fucking YEARS to get it done in most cases (e.g. an election cycle), and for those turning 18 the day of, well I’d support an exemption for them or just you miss out on that one vote in your entire life (life’s not completely fair snowflake). So this is a bullshit argument trying to distract from the fact people don’t care/are lazy and didn’t get something done in time.

- “17 states have taken steps to increase the frequency of voter roll purges”: Sounds like 33 states are behind the ball on that one and need to catch up to these 17. Rolls are massive problems - I can legally vote in 3 states right now according to rolls, going on 10 years of trying to convince one SOS office I haven’t been a resident for that long. This is a massive problem enabling voter fraud. So not voter suppression, but rather 17 states are actually doing what every state should be doing, striving for the most updated/accurate voter rolls. To argue for inaccurate rolls (like this website) is full retard

- Here’s a gem…”now prohibit mailing absentee ballot applications to voters who haven’t requested one.” This website calls that suppression, reality is it’s 100% your problem if you can’t take 2 min to request an absentee ballot; you don’t deserve to vote in this case. This is just highlighting how lazy/DGAF people are, not suppression.  Again, absolutely full retard on display by the authors of this website.

There’s more absolutely ridiculous, illogical bullshit on that site, but these were a few examples. Actually critically think about this subject. I listed a couple things that I think most people would be on board with doing. Listening to the insanely illogical and retarded gaslighting on that website (or from any source that spouts this drivel) only serves to erode our country by further destroying a fundamental part of our system. 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by brabus

[O Face]

6 hours ago, Jam said:

I think both sides can compromise here if state IDs were just made free. I’d be all for voter ID in that case. If you’re going to require something for a basic right, shouldn’t have to pay for it. I know it’s a very small cost to all of us here, but none of my business to tell poor people what they can or can’t afford.

You’re in luck!  

https://www.sos.ga.gov/page/georgia-voter-identification-requirements

 

“Free!!”

Edited July 9, 2023 by O Face
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[Prozac]

6 hours ago, FourFans said:

 

Sadly, you both arrive: intellectually dissonant and unable to answer a straight question.

Were this a formation debrief: You're both weak souls who don't even deserve the honor of a backhand.  Weak Dick.

Oh, did that offend you? You both claim to be USAF aircrew members from the combat arms, yet you get touchy about political issues?  Really?  Get sack and man up you bitches.

I've read much of what both of you have spoken here, while neither of your have even once asked about my values.  Both of you value family.  Sincerely and in ways that I admire.  Both of you purport to stand stanchly by what you believe, which I also admire. 

I gather that neither of you would leave your children alone with any Biden, Trump, or Clinton male family member, yet you shrug when one of those same 'men' refuse to acknowledge their own offspring.  Neither of you would do that.  I have faith that both of your have stronger convictions then these individuals that lead our country, yet you defend your support of them.  Why?

Please, be intellectually honest.  Why are you defending those asshats by denying a clear response here?

You @nsplayr claim that you have good in-person relationships with people you disagree with when you are physically with them, yet when you are have no skin in the game, you cannot overcome differences.  That's not some relational virtue, that's being a coward about your real beliefs when physically present.  If you cannot see the cognitive dissonance there, you are either emotionally or cognitively impaired.  

All men are reduced to their lowest form of maturity when allowed to be anonymous.   It used to be while driving.  Now it's on the internet.   You both were asked a very simple, direct question.  No one will come after you physically for your answer, yet you dodge like you might be mugged for what you say.  You claim you'll be bludgeoned.   Seriously?  Are you so emotionally weak that you can't express your true believes in a venue where NOTHING WILL HAPPEN YOU YOU?

Your maturity is thus exposed.  I'm guessing at least one of you (if not both of you) is a captain at a major airline, and I find it sincerely sad that someone with such broad exposure and high responsibility would be so emotionally and mentally frail.  

Be men.   Do Better.

 

TLDR. Get a life. 

[BashiChuni]

18 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I can’t say the same overall for folks here, and at this point, like I’ve alluded to previously, I’m just gonna stick to AF related stuff for the most part.

 

[BashiChuni]

9 minutes ago, Prozac said:

TLDR. Get a life. 

oh look its prozac and nsplayer wearing masks running away from facts, logic, and a good argument

[TreeA10]

At least he's keeping us updated along with anyone we may have a conflict with.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-lets-american-military-info-slip-during-live-interview-sparking-backlash

[CaptainMorgan]

At least he's keeping us updated along with anyone we may have a conflict with.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-lets-american-military-info-slip-during-live-interview-sparking-backlash

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[Jam]

On 7/9/2023 at 9:41 AM, brabus said:

@Jam

 By and large, voter turnout is low because people don’t give a /don’t prioritize it. That’s it, it’s not cosmic or some political boogeyman. Ocasm’s razor and all that. 

- ID should be 100% required, every time. Subsidized state ID for those making $X or less, totally support it. I agree nobody should be barred from voting because they can’t afford an ID. But, that’s a red herring and barely a blip on the radar these days due to several factors

- I also think we should establish voting days as either holidays or at least make a law that every employer must provide X hours of PTO to allow employees to go vote during the work day if they’re unable to before/after work (which really only applies to those working a 12+ hour shift). For those not working every min the polls are open, they can vote, but it’s a personal choice and not anyone else’s fault if they choose not to

- Absentee ballots: YES. Mail-in ballots auto-sent to everyone: NO. If one doesn’t go the polls and also isn’t willing to put a few min of time into the absentee process because they know they won’t physically make it to the polls, then ‘em, they have made the choice to not vote

To address the incredibly politically slanted drivel you linked to:

- Some states don’t have Election Day registration: Um, you had ing YEARS to get it done in most cases (e.g. an election cycle), and for those turning 18 the day of, well I’d support an exemption for them or just you miss out on that one vote in your entire life (life’s not completely fair snowflake). So this is a bullshit argument trying to distract from the fact people don’t care/are lazy and didn’t get something done in time.

- “17 states have taken steps to increase the frequency of voter roll purges”: Sounds like 33 states are behind the ball on that one and need to catch up to these 17. Rolls are massive problems - I can legally vote in 3 states right now according to rolls, going on 10 years of trying to convince one SOS office I haven’t been a resident for that long. This is a massive problem enabling voter fraud. So not voter suppression, but rather 17 states are actually doing what every state should be doing, striving for the most updated/accurate voter rolls. To argue for inaccurate rolls (like this website) is full retard

- Here’s a gem…”now prohibit mailing absentee ballot applications to voters who haven’t requested one.” This website calls that suppression, reality is it’s 100% your problem if you can’t take 2 min to request an absentee ballot; you don’t deserve to vote in this case. This is just highlighting how lazy/DGAF people are, not suppression.  Again, absolutely full retard on display by the authors of this website.

There’s more absolutely ridiculous, illogical bullshit on that site, but these were a few examples. Actually critically think about this subject. I listed a couple things that I think most people would be on board with doing. Listening to the insanely illogical and retarded gaslighting on that website (or from any source that spouts this drivel) only serves to erode our country by further destroying a fundamental part of our system. 

 

 

 

Honestly it sounds like we agree on what I think are the 2 biggest issues. Voter ID laws won’t be controversial at all if low income people can qualify for gov subsidized IDs. And I also agree about Election Day at the very least having mandatory X amount of hours to go vote.

as far as mail in voting, until said Election Day rules are established than I think it’s something that should be available to those that can’t take off work.

For the same day voting registration, just saying that people shouldn’t be lazy isn’t really an argument against it. Assuming proper accountability is done of who is registered where and there has been an ID check, then who cares if it’s same day registration?

My whole opinion on it is that our main goal should be to have as many people vote as possible (of eligible voters)

[brabus]

1 hour ago, Jam said:

as far as mail in voting, until said Election Day rules are established than I think it’s something that should be available to those that can’t take off work.

It’s been available forever - called absentee ballots. The difference between those and “mail in” is significant and I think widely misunderstood (people think they’re synonymous when they are not). Nobody is barred from voting if they can’t make it to the polls, just takes a few min of effort. All I’m saying is if you’re not willing to put those few min of effort in, then you don’t deserve to vote (e.g. kill all “mail in” ballots immediately).

 

2 hours ago, Jam said:

For the same day voting registration, just saying that people shouldn’t be lazy isn’t really an argument against it. Assuming proper accountability is done of who is registered where and there has been an ID check, then who cares if it’s same day registration?

I agree. All I was arguing previously is it’s bullshit to say it’s  a “barrier” to not allow it (and have some limitation like registration up to 7 days prior or whatever). I don’t really care if it’s Election Day or 14 days prior (obviously there’s some reasonable limitation that should t be exceeded), everyone has the opportunity to register, and it’s your fault if you don’t get it done in time based on whatever requirement your state has (caveat is the scenario of turning 18 within “the closed window.”)

 

[GrndPndr]

Right this way Mr. Very Special Relationship...

 

[brabus]

So embarrassing...the guy literally needs to be in assisted living. Don't care what political party the president is from, this is just sad and unacceptable. Cut him loose and come up with someone else for 2024, that's the only decent move for the Dems. If they don't, it just further emphasizes all they care about is power...and yes, I'd feel the exact same way if it was a Republican in the seat.

[Biff_T]

But he graduated top of his class and has a higher IQ than the entire world combined?

[GrndPndr]

Okay, got it!

 

[arg]

[dream big]

4 hours ago, arg said:

Pervert! 

[uhhello]

Makes you want to punch walls

Edited July 24, 2023 by uhhello

[gearhog]

4 hours ago, uhhello said:

Makes you want to punch walls

This guy is one of my favorite Youtubers. If only all journalists were as thoughtful and unbiased. He simply lets people tell their stories and doesn't tell you what to think about it.

This is obviously a deliberate effort on the part of our government to allow this invasion. Is it really just to boost the Democratic voter rolls as some suggest? Are we just importing cheap unskilled labor? European nations are proactively importing migrants. This is some sort of social engineering.

[busdriver]

5 hours ago, gearhog said:

This is some sort of social engineering.

There's no reason to get all weird with your conspiracy.  Declining demographics in the developed world are more than enough to explain a desire to "proactively import migrants."

[Blue]

10 hours ago, uhhello said:

Makes you want to punch walls

Man, that's a 56 minute video.  Can you give us a high-level summary?

[uhhello]

3 hours ago, Blue said:

Man, that's a 56 minute video.  Can you give us a high-level summary?

It's a sheriff with an unbiased reporter.  Sheriff can speak freely versus the Border patrol guys.  Sheriff shows exactly how the current system is being gamed by everyone involved.  Cartel makes big bucks 'herding' folks across border.  THey'll send a random group out to a remote area knowing the 2 border patorl guys have to respond to the calls for help which leaves giant holes in border for cartel to send whatever/whoever they want across.  At the open portions of the incomplete wall there will be piles of foreign ID and passports ditched prior to them coming across from every country you can imagine.  It's a great series.  Worth the hour of your time.  

Edited July 24, 2023 by uhhello

[gearhog]

6 hours ago, busdriver said:

There's no reason to get all weird with your conspiracy.  Declining demographics in the developed world are more than enough to explain a desire to "proactively import migrants."

Fair shot. I made a mistake.

I was intending to say that because of the issues with our demographics, The borders aren't being enforced because leadership is attempting to engineer a societal solution by importing migrants. I had the below clip of Pelosi in mind when I posted it. Because they don't have as many entitlement benefits, these people will be members of the lower class, willing to do unskilled jobs at a lower price, and upon given voting rights, will attempt to vote a certain way in response to promises that they're lives will be improved. I recently did a motorcycle ride through the San Joaquin Valley during harvest. It was shocking.

I looked up the definition of social engineering and it's not what I was attempting to say. I meant nothing to the effect of lizard people or illuminati or whatever you thought I was alluding to.