The Next President is...

[TreeA10]

19 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

Idiocracy was prophecy….and it’s got what plants crave. 

I don't think all the electrolytes in the world can fix the upcoming clown show.

[slc]

[ClearedHot]

[Sua Sponte]

[HeloDude]

So Biden literally says the border isn’t secure and hasn’t been for the last 10 years…which encompasses 3 years when he was VP and now 3 years as President.  And yet he and his fellow progressives only want to make it easier for illegals to come in, oh, and he wants to give them all permanent residency and eventually citizenship.
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/19/president-biden-says-the-southern-border-is-not-secure/72288828007/

[O Face]

5 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So Biden literally says the border isn’t secure and hasn’t been for the last 10 years…which encompasses 3 years when he was VP and now 3 years as President.  And yet he and his fellow progressives only want to make it easier for illegals to come in, oh, and he wants to give them all permanent residency and eventually citizenship.
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/19/president-biden-says-the-southern-border-is-not-secure/72288828007/

Correct. Meanwhile the Supreme Court rules that a State cannot enforce the laws that the federal government is breaking…Unbelievable 

Edited January 24 by O Face
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[tac airlifter]

 

[SpeedOfHeat]

2 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

 

What a train wreck.  Haley could win, easily.  Young, vibrant, appears intelligent & acts presidential.  Can actually speak in full coherent sentences.  She would absolutely wipe the floor with Biden in a debate.  

She would get tons and tons of independent voters, women, and, if she was the nominee, many Trump supporters that will give her the vote as a vote against Biden/the left.

But instead, we’re going to get the guy that lost vs. Biden.  And if he loses again, …it’s back to the Trump playbook — the election was “rigged and stolen.”  …in-between his many court appearances, of course.  
 

If we as a country allow that to happen again, we deserve what we get.

[BashiChuni]

you think they're gonna let biden debate?

[HeloDude]

56 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

 …in-between his many court appearances, of course. L

Do you believe all, some, are none of these “court appearances” are legitimate and not political?

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

 Haley could win, easily....

She would absolutely wipe the floor with Biden in a debate.  

Good comments, thanks for the thoughts.  I disagree a bit:  I don't think Nikki can beat Biden.  Her numbers are artificially high because of democrat voters.  Too many "NeverNikki" folks in the R party; even Ronna McDaniel has advised her to drop out.  

Also, I don't think they'll let Biden debate.  He's too retarded.  But I'm happy to bet a bottle of bourbon on my prediction!

[Biff_T]

Maybe Biden can debate a character off of Sesame Street. He might do well against Elmo.  

[Sua Sponte]

1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Do you believe all, some, are none of these “court appearances” are legitimate and not political?

Was a grand jury that heard evidence and indicted political?

[HeloDude]

8 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Was a grand jury that heard evidence and indicted political?

Considering the old saying of “you can indict a ham sandwich” refers to that it’s pretty easy for prosecutors to get an indictment from a grand jury in the vast majority of cases.  And yes, I think they’re very political.

So now to you since you responded:  Regarding the Trump indictments do you believe all, some, or none are legitimate and not political?

Edited January 24 by HeloDude

[08Dawg]

How the hell are these our only choices?  Seriously, this is the best we can do??

[Sua Sponte]

59 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Considering the old saying of “you can indict a ham sandwich” refers to that it’s pretty easy for prosecutors to get an indictment from a grand jury in the vast majority of cases.  And yes, I think they’re very political.

So now to you since you responded:  Regarding the Trump indictments do you believe all, some, or none are legitimate and not political?

Some. The DOJ’s prosecution is legitimate. I truly don’t think you understand a federal prosecution, which makes sense since you’re not a criminal defense attorney or have had limited exposure to a criminal prosecution. I think the NY prosecution is political. 

Edited January 24 by Sua Sponte

[HeloDude]

7 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Some. The DOJ’s prosecution is legitimate. I truly don’t think you understand a federal prosecution, which makes sense since you’re not a criminal defense attorney or have had limited exposure to a criminal prosecution. I think the NY prosecution is political. 

Well, if you have opinions on which prosecutions are political, then I suppose I can do the same.  And no, I am not a criminal defense attorney, and I have a funny suspicion that I’m in good company, though I could always be wrong.

[Sua Sponte]

1 minute ago, HeloDude said:

Well, if you have opinions on which prosecutions are political, then I suppose I can do the same.  And no, I am not a criminal defense attorney, and I have a funny suspicion that I’m in good company, though I could always be wrong.

One of us is routinely an example of Dunning-Kruger Effect and one of us isn’t a pilot. 

[HeloDude]

28 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

One of us is routinely an example of Dunning-Kruger Effect and one of us isn’t a pilot. 

Whatever you say man.

[SpeedOfHeat]

4 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

you think they're gonna let biden debate?

Good point.  Probably not.  Biden's speaking ability and mental capacity are beyond pathetic at this point.  Likewise, Trump has self-declared that he won't do debates, because he's a pu$$y and a coward.  So maybe we've already seen our last debate of this election year?

4 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Do you believe all, some, are none of these “court appearances” are legitimate and not political?

I don't know.  Some?  I don't even try to keep up with all the indictments, court appearances, and mug shots.  It's too much of a circus, just like his presidency.  If charges brought against him are illegitimate political attacks, that is, of course, terrible.  But consider this.  Lets' say for the sake of argument that all the charges are illegitimate political attacks.  How should we expect someone (especially someone who aims to be the most powerful man on earth and leader of the free world) to work through adjudicating these charges?  Is it ok, for example, to simply call for absolute immunity from crime?  Does that make any sense?  Does that sound like someone with a good grip on the guiding principles of our country?

***Side note, I'm sure when he says "a President must have full immunity.....," he's totally ok with full immunity for Biden or, had Hillary been elected, for her.  There's no way he was just thinking entirely of himself, right?  Afterall, how dull would the Trump rallies be without all the "Lock him/her up!" chants?  Zero chance that Trump's brain gravitates towards "Rules for thee, not for me" thinking without contemplating the double-standard, right?

Another example -- Pretend that we were actually presented with specific examples and concrete evidence of election "fraud and deception" that he claims was rampant.  Great.  Would it be ok to "terminate all the rules, regulations, and articles in the Constitution" to reverse the election?  How many of us (who swore an oath to support & defend the constitution) are willing to vote for a guy that openly calls for 'terminating' the constitution for his own benefit?? 

So that's my point.  Even if the allegations, charges, indictments, fraud, etc. brought against him are in fact all BS, his responses to them are outrageous and disqualifying.  His responses showcase his character.  He has the mind of a child.  He's selfish and self-centered to the extreme.  He doesn't understand the fundamental concepts and principles of our country, and is driven only by ego. 

Edited January 25 by SpeedOfHeat

[HeloDude]

28 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Good point.  Probably not.  Biden's speaking ability and mental capacity are beyond pathetic at this point.  Likewise, Trump has self-declared that he won't do debates, because he's a pu$$y and a coward.  So maybe we've already seen our last debate of this election year?

I don't know.  Some?  I don't even try to keep up with all the indictments, court appearances, and mug shots.  It's too much of a circus, just like his presidency.  If charges brought against him are illegitimate political attacks, that is, of course, terrible.  But consider this.  Lets' say for the sake of argument that all the charges are illegitimate political attacks.  How should we expect someone (especially someone who aims to be the most powerful man on earth and leader of the free world) to work through adjudicating these charges?  Is it ok, for example, to simply call for absolute immunity from crime?  Does that make any sense?  Does that sound like someone with a good grip on the guiding principles of our country?

***Side note, I'm sure when he says "a President must have full immunity.....," he's totally ok with full immunity for Biden or, had Hillary been elected, for her.  There's no way he was just thinking entirely of himself, right?  Afterall, how dull would the Trump rallies be without all the "Lock him/her up!" chants?  Zero chance that Trump's brain gravitates towards "Rules for thee, not for me" thinking without contemplating the double-standard, right?

Another example -- Pretend that we were actually presented with specific examples and concrete evidence of election "fraud and deception" that he claims was rampant.  Great.  Would it be ok to "terminate all the rules, regulations, and articles in the Constitution" to reverse the election?  How many of us (who swore an oath to support & defend the constitution) are willing to vote for a guy that openly calls for 'terminating' the constitution for his own benefit?? 

So that's my point.  Even if the allegations, charges, indictments, fraud, etc. brought against him are in fact all BS, his responses to them are outrageous and disqualifying.  His responses showcase his character.  He has the mind of a child.  He's selfish and self-centered to the extreme.  He doesn't understand the fundamental concepts and principles of our country, and is driven only by ego. 

Appreciate the response.  I truly don’t care whether you like Trump or not.  I personally think he’s a complete jerk, but I do think his policies are overall a vast improvement over the current administration.  What is strange though is that you admit you believe at least some of his indictments to be political/not legitimate, and yet you use that as a reason to further dislike him/not want his as a president?  Why not just stick with your own personal reasons vs reasons you admit aren’t legitimate?

As for him being a jerk, not someone I would want to be friends with…that has literally zero effect on my life.  I’m not trying to be friends with the guy.  But his tax policies, not wanting to forgive student loans, his picks for judges, etc do affect me in a positive way compared to Biden.  I was hoping for DeSantis but it became obvious last year that wasn’t going to happen.  As for Haley, I’d rather have Trump than a Bush/Romney style Republican.

Will Trump win in Nov?  I stand by my recent 50/50 chance I’ve recently states.  And if Biden wins (I’m actually starting to think it might be M Obama as the Dem nominee), then oh well.  Me and my family will personally still do very well, but I’m sure the middle class will continue to take a large hit.  And as for the lower class, the more illegals we allow in, the lower wages will stay.

[bfargin]

Trump is a douchebag liberal and sadly he and Biden are what we deserve as a country fascinated by pop culture and lifting up our most depraved, ignorant, and mentally disturbed as heros and people to emulate.

DeSantis is who we need. Rational, sane, and from all reports moral. He was able to cross the aisle in FL and get things accomplished that fosters human flourishing by strengthening the family and protecting the most vulnerable among us. He's only a man and couldn't have done miracles, but I think he could have been the grownup we've been missing at the national level lately.

Our society has been damaged by the ever increasing move to the left over the past 40 years (or more). We no longer strive for excellence, law and order, morality, and goodness. Even the classical liberal ideas (that I still reject for the most part in favor of conservative principles) have washed away and been replaced by the more radical leftist ideology that permeates the social/political landscape. We even too often embrace radical libertarianism which doesn't work in community. In a vacuum, "live and let live" might sound good, but in a society it falls apart quickly. Our actions impact all of those around us, and nobody is ever truly that island some declare each of us to be. The "Law" informs and even shapes societal norms and cultural behavior/expectations. Once we completely abandon law and order, which in some jurisdictions we seem to be doing, we're in real trouble.

Edited January 25 by bfargin
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[skybert]

3 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Maybe Biden can debate a character off of Sesame Street. He might do well against Elmo.  

Elmo would kick his ass

[SpeedOfHeat]

2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

What is strange though is that you admit you believe at least some of his indictments to be political/not legitimate, and yet you use that as a reason to further dislike him/not want his as a president?  Why not just stick with your own personal reasons vs reasons you admit aren’t legitimate?

<<facepalm>>

You completely missed my point.  Maybe re-read it?  Especially the last paragraph. 

I did not admit that I believe his indictments to be political.  I literally said "I don't know.  Some?" (...the question mark used to underscore my uncertainty.)

Once again, it is not the indictments (be they legitimate or illegitimate) that I'm using as a reason to dislike him, but his insane responses to the indictments, ....among many other things.  

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As for him being a jerk, not someone I would want to be friends with…that has literally zero effect on my life.  I’m not trying to be friends with the guy.  

I'm afraid his character flaws go far beyond being a "jerk."  Trump is a buffoon.  Willfully ignorant, petty, petulant, spiteful and jealous.  Selfish and self-serving.  Those are terrible, maybe even dangerous, traits for a President to have.  Especially a President in a second term (and at old age) with nothing to lose.   

....I know many are already writing me off as having "TDS."  Sure.  Whatever quasi-clever label helps you dismiss and ignore his core personality traits because you like aspects of his platform, or, more likely, hate the platform of the left.

Trump voters will do some really astounding mental gymnastics to downplay his character flaws, just like you did.  He's simply a "jerk."  Or, more commonly, the tired and idiotic: "at least we don't have mean tweets" zinger.  

I point out (to a military officer, no less) that the guy openly calls for the termination of the Constitution to benefit himself and his baseless lie, and the response is "hey, it's not like I'm trying to be friends with the guy."  lol.  It's beyond ridiculous.  You don't get it. 

Full steam ahead towards the ice berg!!

Edited January 25 by SpeedOfHeat

[Sim]

<yawn> Still voting Trump. Sorry, but not sorry. Don't care what fake news say. Or brainwashed NPCs with 10,000 word essays. 

 

To brainwashed NPCs, can you pass this quiz? 

 

Edited January 25 by Sim