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[Negatory]

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

There it is!

Sorry, do you know what whataboutism is or do you just say big words to try to sound smart? And are you intending to be this divisive?

I clearly addressed the point you made by stating that Biden should not have pardoned Hunter. Even called it an abuse of power. Done.

Whataboutism would have had me avoid that point and only talk about counter accusations. Stating that Trump is also bad (and has and almost definitely would have done the same) after addressing your point is simply a sarcastic observation.

You all are just scared to approach those comments because none of you know how to effectively address them. Or you struggle to understand how to reconcile the obvious paradoxes in your moral compasses within what you would like to believe are superior conservative worldviews. 

A worldview in which you all gloat about electing a cheating, lying, criminal into the presidency. Yes, I have citations. At least you can cope by focusing blindly on how the other side is bad. It’s called cognitive dissonance as I’ve stated numerous times before. 

I get it, Kamala sucks. I’m glad she didn’t win in many ways, just like you. But you guys are compromising your own morals and doing more harm than good for society with how you address those that were slightly on the other side of the scales when deciding between two absolute turds.

China right now is excited you are playing into their hands. Meme posted on Election Day made me think of you all:

[Lord Ratner]

Here's what I would do.

 

Pull up everything the intel world has on Biden's dealings in Ukraine. Whatever he was doing, we assuredly have intel on. So let's assume there's dirt there. 

 

Roll into office and in the first week grant Joe Biden and his entire family blanket immunity for the same timeframe of Hunter's pardon. Tell everyone that the country needs to move on and heal, and even though Biden tried to use the Justice system against him, President Trump isn't going to perpetuate the cycle. 

 

Then declassify everything regarding the Bidens. A little sunshine will do the country well, and roaches hate it.

[HeloDude]

On 10/20/2023 at 10:48 PM, Sua Sponte said:

I agree that the elites are rarely charged held to justice for their crimes, however there’s a very good chance Trump will be going to prison in New York, Georgia, and/or federal. A huge reason why he’s running for president again is so he can pardon himself and cronies and get rid of all the federal punitive landscape that he’s currently caught in. 

 

On 10/20/2023 at 11:33 PM, HeloDude said:

Feel free to quote me on this in the future:  If Trump is the GOP nominee (likely, unfortunately) and wins in November 2024 (I give him 40% chance at this point), if he is still alive on January 20th, 2025, then he’s is physically in the White House…regardless if he’s a convicted felon in Georgia or anywhere else.

What a difference a year can make.

[Smokin]

13 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Sorry, do you know what whataboutism is or do you just say big words to try to sound smart? And are you intending to be this divisive?

I clearly addressed the point you made by stating that Biden should not have pardoned Hunter. Even called it an abuse of power. Done.

Whataboutism would have had me avoid that point and only talk about counter accusations. Stating that Trump is also bad (and has and almost definitely would have done the same) after addressing your point is simply a sarcastic observation.

You all are just scared to approach those comments because none of you know how to effectively address them. Or you struggle to understand how to reconcile the obvious paradoxes in your moral compasses within what you would like to believe are superior conservative worldviews. 

A worldview in which you all gloat about electing a cheating, lying, criminal into the presidency. Yes, I have citations. At least you can cope by focusing blindly on how the other side is bad. It’s called cognitive dissonance as I’ve stated numerous times before. 

I get it, Kamala sucks. I’m glad she didn’t win in many ways, just like you. But you guys are compromising your own morals and doing more harm than good for society with how you address those that were slightly on the other side of the scales when deciding between two absolute turds.

China right now is excited you are playing into their hands. Meme posted on Election Day made me think of you all:

I compromised nothing by voting against a politician that would continue our last four years of national decline (which has only helped China).  Calling out corruption in our government is not cognitive dissonance, it is the lifeblood of a republic.  I also have no problem calling out Trump or any other Republican for corruption.  I don't think Trump is a saint, but I also think that your calling him a criminal when he has clearly been targeted by the exact type of personal prosecution that Biden used as an excuse to pardon his son is ironic.  If Trump had not be President and simply stayed a business man and still did everything that he has been charged with, I think there is exactly a zero percent chance that he would have been charged with anything, let alone convicted.  On the other hand, people are charged with gun law violations every day, so Hunter's prosecution is entirely reasonable and could just as easily happen to a nobody.

But the big story here is not that Biden pardoned his son, but by doing so he is trying to hid his own guilt.

[BashiChuni]

9 minutes ago, Smokin said:

 

But the big story here is not that Biden pardoned his son, but by doing so he is trying to hid his own guilt.

nailed it.

hunter was simply the money guy for the "big guy"

also trump's "34 felonies" are 34 state misdemeanors whose statue of limitations had expired...which were upgraded to federal felonies in a unprecedented manner. biden DOJ top prosecutors left federal positions to join the NY state AG office (another unprecedented move), in order to oversee the political prosecution of Biden's political opponent.

those "felonies" aren't even felonies and were only upgraded by biden's corrupt DOJ. summary: pure political witch hunt.

read the marco polo report. biden crime family runs deep. and it will be exposed.

[BashiChuni]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-extraordinary-breadth-of-hunter-biden-s-pardon/ar-AA1v8I6w

 

"Biden didn’t just pardon his son for his convictions on tax and gun charges, but for any “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014, through December 1, 2024.”

That’s a nearly 11-year period during which any federal crime Hunter Biden might have committed — and there are none we are aware of beyond what has already been adjudicated — can’t be prosecuted. It notably covers when he was appointed to the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma in 2014 all the way through Sunday, well after the crimes for which he was prosecuted."

[HeloDude]

On 8/9/2024 at 5:19 AM, Negatory said:

All of the arguments here the past couple of weeks:

 

It’s not that hard. Pick a new candidate and you’d have a chance. The Dems did it and are gonna win because of it. If Rs had gone Nikki Haley before Biden dropped out, this wouldn’t even be close. Trump can only win against a candidate at terrible as Biden.

Didn’t really pan out the way you said it would.

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

 

What a difference a year can make.

That post was made eight months before this ruling, which cemented what you said.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

Edited December 3 by Sua Sponte

[Negatory]

7 hours ago, Smokin said:

I don't think Trump is a saint, but I also think that your calling him a criminal when he has clearly been targeted by the exact type of personal prosecution that Biden used as an excuse to pardon his son is ironic.

The irony in this statement is quite honestly hilarious. Let me break it down by demonstrating how the “other side” would use the exact same drivel:

“I don’t think Biden is a saint, but I also think that your calling him a criminal when he has clearly been targeted by the exact type of personal prosecution that Trump used as an excuse to dismiss charges against himself is ironic.”

 

Realize you live in a bubble that you have created - or allow to exist - yourself. I fully agree that people like Biden and Hillary should face the consequence of their actions. If you want to selectively ignore the hundred of pages of legal evidence along with dozens of claims that Trump is a financial, national security, and sex criminal, while coming to this forum excited about Hunter Biden crime pdfs, you’re biased.

7 hours ago, Smokin said:

I compromised nothing by voting against a politician that would continue our last four years of national decline (which has only helped China).

The compromise of values is when you selectively choose to only criticize one side of politics because you want to “win.” It is reasonable to vote for Trump just as it’s reasonable to vote for Kamala as long as you can be critical of their faults. Problem is, you guys can’t be. It’s not socially acceptable for your bubbles.

And yes, I hear the counter arguments now, “I never said I liked Trump.” You guys just typically draw the line at calling him out for his crimes for some reason.

Edited December 3 by Negatory

[ClearedHot]

9 hours ago, Negatory said:

Sorry, do you know what whataboutism is or do you just say big words to try to sound smart? And are you intending to be this divisive?

Internet gold...keep sharing insults as we live in your head rent free all day long.

[M2]

Apples and oranges.

Kushner served 2/3rds of his sentence, how much is Hunter going to serve?

And his tax evasion was between $200,000 and $325,000.

Hunter Biden's was $1.4 million.  

Kushner has made significant charitable contributions over the years.  His philanthropic efforts include donations to organizations such as Saint Barnabas Medical Center and United Cerebral Palsy.

Hunter's a drug user who lied about it when purchasing a firearm.  

Biden gave his son blanket immunity from any Federal crime committed over a 11-year period.

If anyone honestly thinks that's OK, then they really need to step away from society until reality sets back in!

The Bidens are making the Clintons and Obamas look like Girl Scouts!

[ClearedHot]

 

[Smokin]

3 hours ago, Negatory said:

The irony in this statement is quite honestly hilarious. Let me break it down by demonstrating how the “other side” would use the exact same drivel:

“I don’t think Biden is a saint, but I also think that your calling him a criminal when he has clearly been targeted by the exact type of personal prosecution that Trump used as an excuse to dismiss charges against himself is ironic.”

 

Realize you live in a bubble that you have created - or allow to exist - yourself. I fully agree that people like Biden and Hillary should face the consequence of their actions. If you want to selectively ignore the hundred of pages of legal evidence along with dozens of claims that Trump is a financial, national security, and sex criminal, while coming to this forum excited about Hunter Biden crime pdfs, you’re biased.

The compromise of values is when you selectively choose to only criticize one side of politics because you want to “win.” It is reasonable to vote for Trump just as it’s reasonable to vote for Kamala as long as you can be critical of their faults. Problem is, you guys can’t be. It’s not socially acceptable for your bubbles.

And yes, I hear the counter arguments now, “I never said I liked Trump.” You guys just typically draw the line at calling him out for his crimes for some reason.

You know nothing about me other than what I have posted on here, which has been less than 1000 posts over the last 20 plus years.  Hardly enough to be able to decide that I live in a bubble.  Perhaps you're just projecting?

i have not called out Trump's crimes because, as Bashi pointed out, they are actually misdemeanors that were elevated to felonies by AGs that are clearly out to get him.  It is my understanding that for one of the crimes he was convicted of in NY, he is literally the only person that has ever been charged for that specific crime.  He was convicted of a business crime that the supposed victim made a bunch of money off of.  Convicting someone for a felony for a victimless business crime is unheard of.  I stand by the statement that if he had not made enemies of the left by becoming President, zero of those crimes would have been prosecuted.

On the other hand, someone evading $1.4M in taxes and illegal gun purchases is something any AG should prosecute.

This is only partially about Hunter.  There is enough evidence that Biden used his office to influence foreign states to profit his family to easily merit a grand jury, but that will likely not happen now because of the pardon. 

Which crime should we be more concerned about: a business man claiming he properties are worth 10% more than market value to get better loan terms or a sitting VP selling favors to foreign powers to bring in millions for his family?

[lloyd christmas]

11 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Then declassify everything regarding the Bidens. A little sunshine will do the country well, and roaches hate it.

This is the way to handle it.  No prosecutions but complete transparency.  Beat them at their game.  The public deserves to know the truth.  

[HossHarris]

 

[ClearedHot]

A great argument until Biden pardon's himself on the way out the door. 

[SurelySerious]

A great argument until Jill writes up a pardon for Joe on the way out the door. 

FIFY

[HeloDude]

11 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

That post was made eight months before this ruling, which cemented what you said.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

Trump was still found guilty in NY, was he not?  And the decision hasn’t been overturned or reversed (or whatever)…so why isn’t he going to prison?  It’s because Trump was never going to prison is he won the presidency.  It amazes me that people actually thought over the last couple of years that Trump would go to prison, even if he won the election.

[Lord Ratner]

4 hours ago, HossHarris said:

 

This was spotted immediately. It won't matter: 

 

"I don't recall"

 

He doesn't have an immunity deal contingent on testimony in a criminal trial as a witness. He already has immunity, and no amount of pretending he forgot everything will change that. 

[skybert]

6 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

A great argument until Biden pardon's himself on the way out the door. 

And allows Trump to have a stack of “self pardons” on his desk.

[BashiChuni]

13 hours ago, Negatory said:

You guys just typically draw the line at calling him out for his crimes for some reason.

be specific. what crimes? i'd like to see what you have in your mind.

[Biff_T]

I heard Biden is going to pardon P Diddy. 

[M2]

If the Democrats kept insisting “Hunter Biden is innocent!!“ then what did he get pardoned for?
 

 

[M2]

27 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

I heard Biden is going to pardon P Diddy. 

I suspect Biden will also pardon the 10+ million illegals estimated to have entered this country during his term but who he claims didn't do anything wrong either!! 🫣🫣

[ViperMan]

I actually don't have a problem with Biden pardoning the gun and drug charges. I'm opposed philosophically, but they are relatively uninteresting charges to have dismissed, and they "make sense" given the fact that it's his dad. I fundamentally disagree, but I can see it from a cynical, dem, hypocritical world-view.

That it's such a blanket pardon - covering crimes (both known and unknown?) against the United States that go back as far as 2014 - IS a major problem, though. It raises major questions about just what the Bidens have been up to since then (i.e. Ukraine, etc.). What does Joe know? How can a blanket get-out-of-jail free card even be hypothetically legal? What if he had killed someone during that time frame? Would a murder charge now be off limits?

Part of me is happy that Joe Biden is laying bare the absolute rank hypocrisy of the democrats, but I am concerned, though, as it does continue to degrade our society and government.