The Next President is...

[ViperMan]

4 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

This is largely the case already - work requirements exist for the majority of welfare programs unless you are elderly or a single person caring for children younger than school age. This was Bill Clinton’s whole third way welfare to work thing in the mid 90s…it’s been this way more or less (state dependent) for 30 years.

Fair enough. I should educate myself on that.

6 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

The big fiscal problem is Congress wants to spend lots of money on things and fails to raise taxes enough to account for their spending.

Yup. And here is what I'll say about that. A good government - one that is restrained to doing good and correct things for its citizens - has a (basically) fixed cost. If you accept that (which you probably don't), you would eventually be forced to conclude that a percent-based income tax is not the proper way to fund such a government, because you eventually get enough dough to pay for the services you need to provide, and taxing beyond that must, therefore, be done for other purposes. The tax system we have guarantees no upper bound on what the government can collect. That is strange.

Our tax system's main purpose is to flatten peoples' quality of life - which is beyond fucked up. But that's what it's purpose is. Keep us working. Inflate the value of your past labor away. Make saving a sucker's game. Ensure that the productive keep producing just enough to sustain themselves and everyone else. Never let anyone reach the land of milk and honey. The only reason to tax citizens when you have a government that simultaneously prints the very money they tax is to generate demand for the currency, otherwise, just print what you need. Right? Or what do you think about that relationship?

12 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

That’s my take - just pay for what you want to spend, because austerity does not work. You will cut the legs off of your own economic engine and end up doing less with less in a downward spiral. And deficits & long term debt truly aren’t the devil if you are the worlds reserve currency and preeminent military power, it really is fundamentally different than a personal or family budget.

Austerity may be a fact of life if we don't get our spending under control. Economically, the planet is a closed system in an entropy sense. So if we print infinity dollars, the value of those dollars to the rest of the world will drop to zero. That is indisputable. And it also happens to be a major caveat to our position in the world. The reserve currency privilege is not a God-given right. It is maintained purely by the fact that other people in the world have faith that a dollar will buy something. That it is a store of value. A medium of exchange. Look to how much you think Franks were worth in the 20s and 30s. There are reasons why currencies plummet in value. We are subject to the same economic realities as everyone else, but we *act* as if we're not. This is the absolute most dangerous fact in American life right now: the idea that our position in the world is fixed.

[blueingreen]

32 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

This is the absolute most dangerous fact in American life right now: the idea that our position in the world is fixed.

This is something the entire Western world seems uncomfortable with (our enemies are probably salivating though). We need to reckon with the fact that we're on the verge of transitioning from a unipolar environment where the USA was the #1 undisputed global hegemon to a more multipolar environment.

[Lord Ratner]

11 hours ago, Banzai said:

How is giving more money to the owning class and taking away resources from the working class going to get us back to the affordability you claim existed in the 1940s?

You believe that reducing taxes is "giving" money to the taxed and "taking" from the untaxed? Hot take, but very honest. 

 

11 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Well, that's a position you can take I guess, it's just not a popular one at all.

You're right that a majority of our budget is not roads. An exact majority, 50% of our budget, is social security, medicare and national defense, just those three things. Those are the big levers to pull. You're not gaining much at all by firing all the probationary employees at the Park Service or cancelling a program to provide condoms to Mozambique or whatever. Those are grains of sand on the beach. Sure "eVeRy DoLlAr CoUnTs" but some smart tweaks to the big things are 1,000x more powerful than absolutely slashing the small stuff, so we should focus on the stuff that matters.

• Social security is extremely broadly popular, and a majority of all Americans think we spend too little rather than too much. Approx 80%+ approval.
• Medicare is extremely broadly popular. Approx 80%+ approval.
• National defense is extremely broadly popular and also one of the things that's pretty inarguably required by the Constitution, even amongst conservatives who think the federal government does too much. We're also all very familiar with what this type of spending entails & the benefits it provides.

So, yes, you can be an extreme libertarian miser and say "cut the guvment to the bone!" and live your life that way. But don't pretend that point of view is popular, it's very much not.

I for one want to live in a country that is the world's preeminent superpower both militarily and economically - there's a cost to that and we pay that for national defense. I want to live in a country that secures a dignified degree of income security and medical care for the elderly because having destitute and sick/dying older folks on every corner is not what successful countries do.

If only there were a document that stated that the founding purpose of the United States was to do these things. Something something, IDK, spitballing here..."...insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." Damn that would be sweet.

Obv you can play around at the margins and adjust all spending categories to ensure fiscal stability, and I support some measures to do that, but the overall intent of a civilized nation is to make life better for its citizens, and the framers of the Constitution that we all swore to defend agree. If you want to be in your own self-sufficient bubble unburdened by having to care about other people, you can take a boat to Antactartica or a rocket to the Moon, setup camp, and best of luck to ya!

Okay, then what do we do? Right now the system you believe in is running 2 trillion dollar per year deficits. This is during one of the most financially successful times in American history. We are running deficits (deficit/GDP) that have not been seen since WWII. If we keep interest rates where they are, the deficit will rise another trillion dollars as our interest payments spin out of control. If we lower interest rates we risk reigniting inflation. 

 

So what do we do with this broadly popular concept of spending more money than we have on everyone just because they like it? How much of my money do I deserve to keep, and do you believe the bottom 50% of the country with no net federal income tax liability should be contributing anything towards this massive shortfall that funds their "general welfare?"

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This is largely the case already - work requirements exist for the majority of welfare programs unless you are elderly or a single person caring for children younger than school age. This was Bill Clinton’s whole third way welfare to work thing in the mid 90s…it’s been this way more or less (state dependent) for 30 years.

https://thefga.org/research/universal-work-requirements/

 

It used to be the case. It is not the case now. 

[ClearedHot]

16 hours ago, nsplayr said:

 50% of our budget, is social security, medicare and national defense

Maybe there is a reason why...

 

[ClearedHot]

49 minutes ago, Banzai said:

Oh cool. Musk can post a table without context on his own social media platform and folks that have screamed “do your own research” for years accept this as evidence of widespread government fraud - and spread it without critical thought.

Or is it that his super genius team doesn’t understand COBOL?

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-doge-social-security-150-year-old-benefits/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073149

He did post context, the death field is labeled "false".  Even the article you posted says "possible explanation". 

That’s just one possible explanation for what DOGE allegedly found. Musk could also have simply looked up the SSA’s own website, which explains that since September 2015 the agency has automatically stopped benefit payments when anyone reaches the age of 115. 

One would hope the SSA could quickly validate every recipients receiving benefits.  It should be a simple query to find out how many U.S. citizens are over age 100 and how many recipients over age 100 are receiving benefits.  Google says there are currently 89,739 centenarians, the number of recipients should be reasonably close to that number....if not, take a deeper look.  Conspiracy over.

I don't know if there is rampant age related fraud but it does show the government system is a freaking mess and warrants a peak under the hood...for EFFICIENCY, not necessarily fraud.  Kind of like manually processing civilian retirements in a limestone mine shaft. 

As someone who actually programmed in COBOL (atrocious language...I lost three days of my life because I spelled the key word "environment" incorrectly, every time it when to the mainframe to be compiled it generated pages of the green and white pin fed paper errors), it seems terribly inefficient given modern computer systems. 

Again, I don't like the cut with an axe approach (actually flamethrower), but I see nothing wrong with taking a look at government processes to see if they can be improved.

[herkbum]

He did post context, the death field is labeled "false".  Even the article you posted says "possible explanation". 
That’s just one possible explanation for what DOGE allegedly found. Musk could also have simply looked up the SSA’s own website, which explains that since September 2015 the agency has automatically stopped benefit payments when anyone reaches the age of 115. 
One would hope the SSA could quickly validate every recipients receiving benefits.  It should be a simple query to find out how many U.S. citizens are over age 100 and how many recipients over age 100 are receiving benefits.  Google says there are currently 89,739 centenarians, the number of recipients should be reasonably close to that number....if not, take a deeper look.  Conspiracy over.
I don't know if there is rampant age related fraud but it does show the government system is a freaking mess and warrants a peak under the hood...for EFFICIENCY, not necessarily fraud.  Kind of like manually processing civilian retirements in a limestone mine shaft. 
As someone who actually programmed in COBOL (atrocious language...I lost three days of my life because I spelled the key word "environment" incorrectly, every time it when to the mainframe to be compiled it generated pages of the green and white pin fed paper errors), it seems terribly inefficient given modern computer systems. 
Again, I don't like the cut with an axe approach (actually flamethrower), but I see nothing wrong with taking a look at government processes to see if they can be improved.

I remember these stacks of computer paper and punch cards all over the house when I was a kid growing up. My dad was a computer programmer in the early days with main frames that took up entire massive rooms.


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[ClearedHot]

7 minutes ago, herkbum said:

I remember these stacks of computer paper and punch cards all over the house when I was a kid growing up. My dad was a computer programmer in the early days with main frames that took up entire massive rooms.

The good ole days...not.

Typing your code into a machine that punched the cards, then you took the cards to the front desk to be scanned and sent to the mainframe to be compiled...what a nightmare.  Those were three dark days, thank god for the girl working the desk in the computer lab...she found my spelling error, today a debugger would find it in 69 seconds...further proof we need to update our systems.  For those wondering (probably no one), "ENVIRONMENT" is a specific division within a COBOL program where you define details about the computer system where the program will run, including information like the file system, hardware specifications, and input/output devices, essentially describing the "environment" in which the program will operate.

[M2]

That's how we processed aircraft maintenance information when I first enlisted, a typist (not me) would input the data from the forms onto IBM key punch cards using a machine like this...

I had to program the template card which created the data fields, which sat on a spool behind the little window at the middle top of the machine. 

We'd then take a box stacked full of those IBM cards to be run overnight, and the reports from the data came back on stacks of continuous dot matrix printer paper like CH posted. 

If we wanted more than one copy, there was carbon paper in between the sheets which had to be removed making a mess!

A few years later I took a computer class in college, and the instructor called this "1950s technology."

Of course, the USAF was still using it in the early 1980s!

Shit, I feel old now... 👴👴

[herkbum]

We are obviously a bunch of dinosaurs. I spent quite a bit of time walking around those mainframe rooms and sitting in dad’s office while waiting on the company helicopter.


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[SocialD]

9 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Do you support a means test for VA compensation?

 

At the very least it should be heavily scrutinized.  Auto 50% for Sleep Apnea?  How many (likely non-pilots) claiming PTSD out there who never saw a deployment outside of Qatar...nice way to pump up their VA rating.  I don't believe in means testing but payouts could probably be looked at big time.   I'd actually be OK with just submitting expenses that I incur to fixing/tending to all ailments from a career of high-G flying.  

 

I'm guessing by the time I'm SS eligible, it will be means tested, which is bullshit, but it is what is.  Truly a take from the "rich" and give to the poor situation.  If we're going to talk means testing, then DOGE is firing the wrong people.  They need to take a hard look at the top of the tenure chain.  Find that, retired military pension guy,  100% VA and getting paid another $100k+ from the federal gov, especially those at/near SS eligible.  We've all ran across these types...the ones that are more of roadblock to progress than anything, never wanting to upset the fiefdom they have built for themselves and stuck in the days from when they were in the military.

[bcuziknow]

Hate much, or just that bitter over life’s choices?

[brabus]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

but it does show the government system is a freaking mess and warrants a peak under the hood

$4.7T in federal untracked payouts. Doesn’t mean that’s all FWA, but it does at least demo the complete incompetence of the federal gov. The gov is managing our money like children, some of them with sinister intent.

 

[BashiChuni]

22 minutes ago, brabus said:

$4.7T in federal untracked payouts. Doesn’t mean that’s all FWA, but it does at least demo the complete incompetence of the federal gov. The gov is managing our money like children, some of them with sinister intent.

 

THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO PAY MORE TAXES - nsplayr

[Guest nsplayr]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO PAY MORE TAXES - nsplayr

I do think people who have the money to do so, i.e. high W2 earners but also, and first, the extremely wealthy & highly profitable corporations need to pay more taxes, yea.

If for nothing else to stop deficit spending every single year, but also to maintain our nation's quality of life and top dog place in world affairs.

[SocialD]

2 hours ago, bcuziknow said:

Hate much, or just that bitter over life’s choices?

 

Nah man, life actually couldn't get much better now that I'm retired from the military lol.  Just had flashbacks to dealing with GS employees who were just road block after roadblock, rather than supporting the people their shop is supposed to support.  I just see those types as easier to let go than a bunch of newhires, especially those closest to SS age.  Best way to figure out who to keep/dump would be to talk to those who they're supposed to support.  

[Guest nsplayr]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

$4.7T in federal untracked payouts. Doesn’t mean that’s all FWA, but it does at least demo the complete incompetence of the federal gov. The gov is managing our money like children, some of them with sinister intent.

 

FY24 total federal outlays totaled $6.75T. Do you really think that because allegedly $4.7T of those were missing a previously-optional field that it's indicative of widespread fraud, waste, and abuse?

4.7 / 6.75 is exactly 69%, I'm half inclined to believe man-child Elon picked that number as another 69 joke.

If Treasury, the Fed & DOGE want to work together to improve internal accounting practices, great, go for it. Maybe requiring this code on every transaction is a good improvement, I'm not an expert here but I'm happy to accept smart, positive changes to the way the government operates it's processes.

It's like in the DCA crash when folks latched on to the fact that the helo wasn't broadcasting ADS-B. Wow, that seems like a smoking gun! But if you actually fly aircraft, you know that's not a big deal, let alone causal in deadly crash that occurred.

Some folks here (not saying you on this, just folks in general) rightly laugh / get mad when non-experts wildly speculate and misjudge stuff about aviation but also happily make the same mistake when the headline is about something else and it conforms to their predisposed views. 

Edited February 18 by nsplayr

[Guest nsplayr]

12 minutes ago, SocialD said:

Just had flashbacks to dealing with GS employees who were just road block after roadblock, rather than supporting the people their shop is supposed to support.  I just see those types as easier to let go than a bunch of newhires, especially those closest to SS age.  Best way to figure out who to keep/dump would be to talk to those who they're supposed to support.  

Agreed on this...if dead weight is anywhere in the federal bureaucracy it's at the top, not the young folks or recent job-movers who are still probationary.

If I were a dictator and bent firing folks in my squadron, it's not all the LTs who would be packing their shit despite the fact that they are hopeless fuckups who can't even make corn right 😅 The first folks I'd can are the non-leadership O5s and E8s who have 20+ years in the bank but are still just cruising on, taking up space.

My favorite government civilian who should be sent packing is one Mr. Bumpers. Clown-ass named individual but that's his real name. Useless roadblock. The young highly recruited folks like the AG's Honors Program who were all canned is the absolute back-asswards way to do it.

If Pete et al are talking about "Why do we have 44 4-stars," I mean I can tell him the answer and he's still a wholly unqualified and inappropriate choice for SECDEF, but he's at least starting at the right echelon to find efficiencies...

Edited February 18 by nsplayr

[SocialD]

48 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

The first folks I'd can are the non-leadership O5s who have 20 years in the bank but are still just cruising on, taking up space.

 

 

This is exactly why I left when I did.  Finished up a CC tour with 22 YOS and less than zero desire to continue down the leadership track.  I knew I'd just be a deadweight O-5 DSG, soaking up sorties and holding up an O-5 slot.  Unfortunately, way too many of those Mr. Bumpers out there who are filling a seat, dug in like a tick, maintaining the status quo.   

Walked into the local FSDO a few years back and the place looked like a geriatric facility.  Talking with one of the reps, most were retired military, who already were fed retirement eligible and clearly old enough to collect SS.  Anyone who has worked with the FAA knows how painful some of those crotchety old dudes can be.  I understand the desire to keep working, but new blood is a good thing. Hell, one of the reasons we can't get enough DPEs in the area is because the early 70s dude at the FSDO doesn't want to manage more DPEs (per a friend/DPE).

Edited February 18 by SocialD

[Guest nsplayr]

💯 to all that

[ClearedHot]

47 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

It's like in the DCA crash when folks latched on to the fact that the helo wasn't broadcasting ADS-B. Wow, that seems like a smoking gun! But if you actually fly aircraft, you know that's not a big deal, let alone causal in deadly crash that occurred.

Shut up Nav. 

ADS-B was not a smoking gun and I didn't latch on to the ADS-B issue as casual, but as a dinosaur who now uses ADS-B religiously, I see the enormous SA benefit offered by the capability.   I think if it was in use it could have been a glove save.  On at least two occasions ADS-B has "saved" me.  Both times were I was where I was supposed to be and others were not.

56 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

I do think people who have the money to do so, i.e. high W2 earners but also, and first, the extremely wealthy & highly profitable corporations need to pay more taxes, yea.

I already do pay more....how much is enough?  I already pay 35% AND Social Security that I likely won't get.  The progressive tax schedule is pure punishment to those who are successful.  Please save the progressive liberal crap justification.  It is blatantly unfair and now you want more...shocking...not.  I am so glad my "extra" contribution could pay for these items.

- $59M for ILLEGALS to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC

- $10M for "Mozambique voluntary medical male circumcision"

- $9.7M for UC Berkeley to develop "a cohort of Cambodian youth with enterprise driven skills" -

- $2.3M for "strengthening independent voices in Cambodia"

- $32M to the Prague Civil Society Centre - $40M for "gender equality and women empowerment hub"

- $14M for "improving public procurement" in Serbia

- $486M to the “Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strengthening,” including $22M for "inclusive and participatory political process" in Moldova and $21M for voter turnout in India

- $29M to "strengthening political landscape in Bangladesh"

- $20M for "fiscal federalism" in Nepal

- $19M for "biodiversity conversation" in Nepal

- $1.5M for "voter confidence" in Liberia

- $14M for "social cohesion" in Mali

- $2.5M for "inclusive democracies in Southern Africa"

- $47M for "improving learning outcomes in Asia"

- $2M to develop "sustainable recycling models" to "increase socio-economic cohesion among marginalized communities of Kosovo Roma, Ashkali, and Egypt"

- $1.4M contract to physically observe mailing and clerical operations

- Over $32 million from various other government departments for Politico Pro, which then wrote nothing but positive stories about Biden and negative stories about Trump.
 

 

 

[Guest nsplayr]

51 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Shut up Nav. 

ADS-B was not a smoking gun and I didn't latch on to the ADS-B issue as casual, but as a dinosaur who now uses ADS-B religiously, I see the enormous SA benefit offered by the capability.   I think if it was in use it could have been a glove save.  On at least two occasions ADS-B has "saved" me.  Both times were I was where I was supposed to be and others were not.

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Ted Cruz. I agree with pretty much everything you've written about ADS-B and concur - I fly with an ipad w/ ADS-B on the occasion that I fly private pilot-wise and it's a tremendous help. The fact that I at times can have much better SA in a $100K -172 with a < $1K iPad/puck setup compared to my $20m military aircraft is pretty messed up. I endorse all mil aircraft to have synthetic vision, moving map, ADS-B, all of the things...you and I are both familiar with the level of SA that just good software/hardware integration can bring to the fight.

51 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

I already pay 35% AND Social Security that I likely won't get. 

Don't worry grandpa, you're close enough to the grave that social security won't even have to cut payments before you start collecting 😁 

Also if you're telling us your *effective* federal income tax rate is 35% then you make a shit-ton of money, easily top 1% or beyond of W2 earners. You also pay less as a % than at any time since the roaring 20s.

If I were in charge I would more effectively tax the UHNW crowd and corporations first, but not gonna lie, if you are beyond a top 1% W2 earner I would ask you to pay more also - that what it will take to both get our fiscal house in better order and to continue the American standard of living and place in the world that we've come to expect. I'll say it every day and twice on sundays, you can't fix the problem with austerity.

51 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Please save the progressive liberal crap justification.

I mean, at least for now, I don't think I will.

BO.net and typical AF flying squadron are massive echo chambers / amplification chambers of typical conservative & libertarian-leaning rhetoric and thought. Which is fine, many of my best friends are Republicans so it's no hard feelings.

I'm happy to provide a different perspective while also learning the good parts of what many of y'all are saying. I think what I'm doing until I quit again is better than the "lol eat the rich" crowd you can find from the left online in most places.

Also the vast majority of the things you listed, which I've seen neatly put together before online, are fine with me. They're classic Bush-era, bipartisan democracy & capitalism promotion around the world. I'd rather spend money like that than cede the playing field to the CCP model or the Russian gangster model.

Edited February 18 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

9 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Ted Cruz. I agree with pretty much everything you've written about ADS-B and concur - I fly with an ipad w/ ADS-B on the occasion that I fly private pilot-wise and it's a tremendous help. The fact that I at times can have much better SA in a $100K -172 with a < $1K iPad/puck setup compared to my $20m military aircraft is pretty messed up. I endorse all mil aircraft to have synthetic vision, moving map, ADS-B, all of the things...you and I are both familiar with the level of SA that just good software/hardware integration can bring to the fight.

I was quite honestly shocked at the SA provided.  In the AC-130H for many years we did not have a moving map or access to the nav data other than tuning TACANS and the ILS.  Around 9/11 they added another screen up front and we were hoping it would be a repeater of the PFPS moving map the Navs had but we only got sensor imagery on it.  H model pilots tended to be very good (not me, I sucked), at building a mental picture of the AOR and what was happening on the ground...we had no other choice.  The U-Boats had the Tactical Situation Map but dudes tended to stare at it rather than look outside.

13 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Don't worry grandpa, you're close enough to the grave that social security won't even have to cut payments before you start collecting 😁 

You are probably right...I am at the end game of a big career (or end career decision).  In reality, without intervention the fund is depleted in 2034 right when I am trying to collect peak fundage.

17 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Also if you're telling us your *effective* federal income tax rate is 35% then you make a shit-ton of money, easily top 1% or beyond of W2 earners. You also pay less as a % than at any time since the roaring 20s.

Crazy huh, not bad for a ham-fisted gunship pilot.  I am extraordinarily lucky to have made some very wise financial decisions.  That being said, I do not enjoy writing quarterly tax payments in the amount of $33,000 to the government....that in addition to the withholding on my retirement, salary and 40% of all most bonuses. 

20 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

if you are beyond a top 1% W2 earner I would ask you to pay more

I already do pay more...a LOT more.

22 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

BO.net and typical AF flying squadron are massive echo chambers / amplification chambers of typical conservative & libertarian-leaning rhetoric and thought. Which is fine, many of my best friends are Republicans so it's no hard feelings.

Never any hard feelings, you are welcome to come break bread at my house anytime, I've told you that before.  Whatever liberal brainwashed lunacy is rolling around in your noggin is offset by the fact that you are part of the less than 1% who stepped forward to serve...and I know the things you did for this nation.  You do provide a great perspective.  I've said it before, I think framers wanted great long debate.  We might get a little loud at times but I will happily buy you a beer anytime...before I fall in the grave.

[brabus]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Do you really think that because allegedly $4.7T of those were missing a previously-optional field that it's indicative of widespread fraud, waste, and abuse?

Are you able to actively read, or do you just see a few trigger words and hit reply? I clearly said it was not an indicator of a bunch of FWA, but it is accounting ineptitude at the most basic level, which is very concerning. 

[brabus]

Most mid-level officers are in the top 10% of tax payers. The top 1% is somewhere around a half mil or sightly more. I’m not saying $690K isn’t a lot of money for us normals, but seems like top 1% gets thrown out as if it only encompasses Gates, Bezos, etc. Tax the rich is a stupid and losing strategy, especially when you have half of tax payers barely providing anything, and not to mention all the people who don’t pay a dime in taxes, but suck societal resources without issue. 

I think both sides can agree the tax code needs improvement, but simply continuing to increase punishing successful people is a ridiculous proposition. How about we just go flat tax, no breaks/deductions (or very little at least). Something like everyone pays 10% fed, whatever that totals to is what the fed budget is. Oh that’s not enough to fund all your bullshit pet projects? Too bad, draw the cut line like the rest of us who understand basic finances do.

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