tac airlifter Posted February 23 Posted February 23 28 minutes ago, Clayton Bigsby said: Look man peeling you guys apart as a job sucks enough as it is, I may well lose my retirement after 16 years of doing this so I’m glad this is all working out for you……Apologies, everyone is entitled to their opinions and votes, but we are straight up not having a good time right now. The dripping condescension from the DOGEbois is a bit much. I’m sorry for the turmoil you’re experiencing. It sucks. My comment was meant to compare the state of our nation under this admin vs what would have been under another, not kick you while you’re going through something. My apologies if it came off personally unkind, although I do believe what I said. FWIW, I think your job & retirement is fine. The Trump admin MO is big talk, scare people, then negotiate. There’s so much indefensible fat to cut that I think they’ll remain locked on politically palatable targets (NGOs, charity fraud schemes, USAID type BS) instead of government contractors. 4 minutes ago, icohftb said: So who's gonna read all the responses? AI or a lonely teenager pounding Mountain Dew.
17D_guy Posted February 23 Posted February 23 2 hours ago, lloyd christmas said: My unit, my section and myself have not been distracted in any way. Not at all. As always, we are crushing it. And that is because we focus on what’s in front of us and not what we read on social media, BO.net or the news. It is actually not hard to lead, accomplish the mission or stay focused when you aren’t emotionally and mentally distracted by things on the internet. Cool story bro. Wife has to recall all her sections today so she can tell them to read the email. Which they can't do from home anymore...so what's the fucking point? Also, she and they are not allowed to charge that time...so fucking up a weekend and working for free. She's a prior aircrew (EWO) vet, and all her people are worried. They aren't active duty and this shit is basically harassment to get folks to quit. This is the exact shit people complain about on the "what's wrong with the Air Force" thread, but because it's someone else being impacted and "your team" you don't give a shit.
Sua Sponte Posted February 23 Posted February 23 21 minutes ago, icohftb said: So who's gonna read all the responses? His Grok 3.0 AI that he's scraping data LLMs for to train it. Big reason why he wants access to all government IT systems.
Sua Sponte Posted February 23 Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, brabus said: AI? Interestingly I just saw an X post that they suspect some cases of dead/non-existent people (or at least non-existent at work ever, literally) on the fed payroll. In those cases there won’t be an answered email, or that’s the thought at least. I’m guessing cooler heads prevail and nobody on leave is getting fired, and in the end this is well-intentioned, but poorly executed with low SA on salient points like people on leave, traveling with limited email connectivity, people who actually are doing shit that matters instead of mouth breathing on email, etc. Federal employees have to do bi-weekly timecards. If they're a day late, the civilian finance folks bitch at supervisors to have them turned in (I know, I'm a supervisor). We also get bitched at when employees are in use or lose leave (CONUS federal employees can only carry up to 240 hours of leave, it's higher overseas). Federal employees also get annual performance appraisals, which the employee also has to fill out and review. Just because Elon claims some bullshit on X, that doesn't make it true. He should probably focus on the 26-year-old he creampied taking pictures of their private Signal chat with expiring messages.
BuddhaSixFour Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Let us channel our inner Elons and marvel at how we’re at page 420 in the thread. 3 1
Lord Ratner Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Clayton Bigsby said: We are awaiting guidance on what to do from Agency leadership, so far nothing. I’m sure it’ll come Monday afternoon sometime giving little time to respond, oh btw I’m on leave and have no access to gov webmail, so I would have to drive an hour to the nearest facility to gain access, and I was on my scheduled bid leave all this past week so what would one say? I’m really really hoping everyone blows this off. Look man peeling you guys apart as a job sucks enough as it is, I may well lose my retirement after 16 years of doing this so I’m glad this is all working out for you. This is after serving in Mx and as Aircrew in the AF, I’ve done my time. Apologies, everyone is entitled to their opinions and votes, but we are straight up not having a good time right now. The dripping condescension from the DOGEbois is a bit much. That really sucks for you. And I mean that, a lot of really good people who've done a lot of really good work are going to go through this shitty process. Unfortunately there's no alternative. We have spent decades pretending like we are going to get things cleaned up, and in those decades the only thing that has happened is that things have gotten worse. We have gotten to the "shit or get off the pot" phase, and as much as I hate to see people like you in jeopardy, I am more concerned about my kids and their kids and their kids. We are on the unsustainable path that becomes more catastrophic the longer we are on it. Donald Trump is the most emblematic of this phenomenon. I truly wish we had someone better to lead us through this process, but he is the president specifically because everyone 'better' failed us. So now we're here. 2 3
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 When folks write stuff like the above comments, please just auto-translate it to: ”The ends justify the means.”
Lord Ratner Posted February 23 Posted February 23 55 minutes ago, 17D_guy said: Cool story bro. Wife has to recall all her sections today so she can tell them to read the email. Which they can't do from home anymore...so what's the fucking point? Also, she and they are not allowed to charge that time...so fucking up a weekend and working for free. She's a prior aircrew (EWO) vet, and all her people are worried. They aren't active duty and this shit is basically harassment to get folks to quit. This is the exact shit people complain about on the "what's wrong with the Air Force" thread, but because it's someone else being impacted and "your team" you don't give a shit. I know this may seem strange to someone who's been in the government for a long time, but everything you're describing is just "life in the private sector." That's not to say this email or some of the other things they're doing are master classes in administrative procedure, but it's hard to disagree with the underlying goal when people complain about having to work on a weekend to read an email. Our government is bloated and inefficient. That means to fix it, there will be fewer people with .gov jobs. I hope that's not your wife, but it's going to be someone's wife. If you have friends in corporate America you should ask them about "unpaid" weekends and surprise layoffs. This has been very tame in comparison. 1
Lord Ratner Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 18 minutes ago, nsplayr said: When folks write stuff like the above comments, please just auto-translate it to: ”The ends justify the means.” Yeah Bud, considering the "means" don't involve rape and murder, asset forfeiture, internment camps, or racial segregation, these ends are justified by these means. Save the pearl clutching for a real violation of rights. Edited February 23 by Lord Ratner
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Yeah Bud, considering the "means" don't involve rape and murder, asset forfeiture, internment camps, or racial segregation, these ends and justified by these means. Like I said…
frog Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 hours ago, lloyd christmas said: My unit, my section and myself have not been distracted in any way. Not at all. As always, we are crushing it. And that is because we focus on what’s in front of us and not what we read on social media, BO.net or the news. It is actually not hard to lead, accomplish the mission or stay focused when you aren’t emotionally and mentally distracted by things on the internet. Enjoy it while it lasts. Your team is going to get all the crap the civilians do as additional duties. It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester. Shrinking the workforce is a great thing. Doing it by cutting the youngest, most ambitious people without eliminating the dumb requirements is asinine. We are going to keep 60 year old Bob that has worked in XP for the last 40 years and fire a 20 year old that keeps your electricity on. 2
Sua Sponte Posted February 23 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, frog said: Enjoy it while it lasts. Your team is going to get all the crap the civilians do as additional duties. It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester. Shrinking the workforce is a great thing. Doing it by cutting the youngest, most ambitious people without eliminating the dumb requirements is asinine. We are going to keep 60 year old Bob that has worked in XP for the last 40 years and fire a 20 year old that keeps your electricity on. I took a $35K pay cut, leaving the private sector to be a federal employee. If I need to, I'll find somewhere to work (with private sector salaries). It's the 60-year-old Bob in XP who retired as an E-6 and has never worked in the private sector, like you said, the ones who need to be removed.
GrndPndr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, brabus said: AI? Interestingly I just saw an X post that they suspect some cases of dead/non-existent people (or at least non-existent at work ever, literally) on the fed payroll. In those cases there won’t be an answered email, or that’s the thought at least. I’m guessing cooler heads prevail and nobody on leave is getting fired, and in the end this is well-intentioned, but poorly executed with low SA on salient points like people on leave, traveling with limited email connectivity, people who actually are doing shit that matters instead of mouth breathing on email, etc. I absolutely know two people who have not logged-in/engaged with their Federal workplace for months (maybe longer). All due to a lack of supervision. Remember, POTUS and crew are trying to shake things up, not gently approach from six-o'clock.
17D_guy Posted February 23 Posted February 23 24 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Unfortunately there's no alternative. We have spent decades pretending like we are going to get things cleaned up, and in those decades the only thing that has happened is that things have gotten worse. We have gotten to the "shit or get off the pot" phase, and as much as I hate to see people like you in jeopardy, I am more concerned about my kids and their kids and their kids. We are on the unsustainable path that becomes more catastrophic the longer we are on it. Some one else posted how Clinton did it. 18 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: I know this may seem strange to someone who's been in the government for a long time, but everything you're describing is just "life in the private sector." That's not to say this email or some of the other things they're doing are master classes in administrative procedure, but it's hard to disagree with the underlying goal when people complain about having to work on a weekend to read an email. Our government is bloated and inefficient. That means to fix it, there will be fewer people with .gov jobs. I hope that's not your wife, but it's going to be someone's wife. If you have friends in corporate America you should ask them about "unpaid" weekends and surprise layoffs. This has been very tame in comparison. I'm in the private sector. I have laid off multiple people in my company, multiple times for bullshit reasons. So get fucked with your "you don't know what it's like" bullshit paternalism. You know when I work weekends I get compensated. If not me directly, at least the org charges hours, because we don't work for free. Then I/we get a bonus at some point. Again, this is the exact shit you all claimed to hate when you were AD with bad commanders/leaders. Didn't matter if someone else posted it from a different unit "sucks bro" or "here's how to avoid that, technique only." But now it's fine for some of you. The hypocrisy is real since the Fed employees can just be "the other." And if this was mission related she and her workforce would be there ASAP. But it's not. It's the same fuck fuck games many here claimed to hate. 1
17D_guy Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, GrndPndr said: I absolutely know two people who have not logged-in/engaged with their Federal workplace for months (maybe longer). All due to a lack of supervision. Remember, POTUS and crew are trying to shake things up, not gently approach from six-o'clock. So you failed to FWA report them. Nice. 1
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, frog said: Enjoy it while it lasts. Your team is going to get all the crap the civilians do as additional duties. It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester. Shrinking the workforce is a great thing. Doing it by cutting the youngest, most ambitious people without eliminating the dumb requirements is asinine. We are going to keep 60 year old Bob that has worked in XP for the last 40 years and fire a 20 year old that keeps your electricity on. 💯 They got this completely ass backwards. If you want to make the civil service more efficient and leaner, start with a robust early retirement program. Those near retirement have the most entrenched fiefs, the most out of touch mentality, and are often the hardest to dislodge. Not all, there’s a wealth of knowledge in some folks, but too many who are longest in the tooth are just ROAD and standing in the way. Cutting off probationary folks (which doesn’t correlate with new or bad), strangling your recruiting pipeline and implementing broad hiring freezes is going to do significant long-term damage. If you started with early retirements, empowered agency heads and supervisors to make determinations about cuts in places where there’s bloat, and also paired cuts with the elimination of bullshit taskers, I’m in. What’s happening now is about “traumatizing the federal workforce” and cruelty is the point. Literal direct words from the mouth of the guy who’s now leading OMB. Is this the type of leadership yall voted for?? Actually, it is, I don’t even need to ask the question. “We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” Vought said in a video revealed by ProPublica and the research group Documented in October. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work, because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down … We want to put them in trauma.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/who-is-russell-vought-trump-office-of-management-and-budget
pbar Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) The country is going off a cliff in 5th gear due to the debt and yet there are a lot of people arguing, "Let's drop down to 3rd gear. Too much chaos otherwise." How about we turn the car around or at least parallel to the cliff? Edited February 23 by pbar 3
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 You cannot austerity your way to prosperity. Keep your GDP growing and your debt problems are OBE. Halt or slow growth and not only are you worse off short-term, you’re worse off long-term. And if debt is your biggest concern I look forward to your vigorous opposition to the GOP spending bill that needs to get passed sometime in the next 3 weeks. Current draft bills add something like $1T to the debt.
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, pbar said: The country is going off a cliff in 5th gear due to the debt and yet there are a lot of people arguing, "Let's drop down to 3rd gear. Too much chaos otherwise." How about we turn the car around? Even in your analogy the smart thing to do (in a manual) is downshift to get some engine braking and smoothly apply the brakes while maintaining control of the vehicle. If you just slam the brakes + e-brake while turning the wheel hard right, you probably flip your car and end up at the bottom of the cliff looking like the Delta flight up in Toronto. I know many of you guys are leaders. Do you make snap decisions with wild ramifications, do zero coordination, and then have a CSS SrA blast them out via email at 9pm on Saturday with a deadline of Monday at noon? You do not. The ends do not justify these shitty means, even if you agree with the ultimate ends.
17D_guy Posted February 23 Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, pbar said: The country is going off a cliff in 5th gear due to the debt and yet there are a lot of people arguing, "Let's drop down to 3rd gear. Too much chaos otherwise." How about we turn the car around or at least parallel to the cliff? Been hearing about the debt my entire life with promises from Reagan on down to fix it. During that time the wealth divide increased and middle class families that could afford to have a parent at home have been disappearing. Real wages and purchasing power for normal Americans (not you or I) have gone down. Only a Democratic President balanced the budget and ran a surplus. Trump added more to the deficit before Covid with his cuts. The latest R funding bill adds more to the deficit. But wrap yourself in the "party of fiscal responsibility" while Trump wastes millions golfing more than Obama ever did. 1
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) State, NOAA, NASA and the FBI are non-complying with the OPM email demands. Are recently-confirmed Trump appointees Rubio and Kash Patel not sufficiently compliant with the President’s agenda? No - to their credit they are asserting that agency heads control personnel decisions within their agencies and also make the decisions on employee performance standards and who does what & when. Not some ketamine-addicted, unelected billionaire and his goon squad of 19 year old discord bois. Edited February 23 by nsplayr
Prosuper Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, GrndPndr said: I absolutely know two people who have not logged-in/engaged with their Federal workplace for months (maybe longer). All due to a lack of supervision. Remember, POTUS and crew are trying to shake things up, not gently approach from six-o'clock. Had a guy, useless POS, who showed up just enough to keep his health insurance, we shamed our supervisor into doing his job and start separation paperwork. When he did show up to work it was for free because he was so far in the hole, he had to pay Uncle Sam for keeping him on the payroll. Until Jan 20, the only way a Fed could get fired is not show up to work. I do feel empathy for the probationary guys let go, some of them waiting for years for a position to open up. But for the ones who were there because there was an open seat on the bus breathing oxygen that a productive human being can use, enjoy the private sector. 1
blueingreen Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, nsplayr said: State and the FBI are non-complying with the OPM email demands. To be clear, this isn't some brave act of non-compliance. There's no discord between admin officials here. DoD, DoS, and FBI are simply not under OPM purview, and are thus not obligated to respond. 1
BuddhaSixFour Posted February 23 Posted February 23 44 minutes ago, frog said: It’s all fun and games until you are appointed as the wing piss tester. That’ll be a stellar what did you do last week email.
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