Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 5:55 PM, blueingreen said: To be clear, this isn't some brave act of non-compliance. There's no discord between admin officials here. DoD, DoS, and FBI are simply not under OPM purview, and are thus not obligated to respond. Expand Cool, I didn’t know that. Why is OPM emailing them then? Follow-ups: if DoD isn’t under OPM are my technicians and T5 folks eligible for the “fork” deferred resignation program? Why were they emailed if not? What if they replied in the affirmative but are not actually eligible? Who do OPM email distros include hundreds of thousands of folks not under their purview? They're going about all of this less than 10% cocked, let alone half-cocked. It’s not ready-FIRE-aim, it’s just FIRE. I always tell my guys never go off half-cocked, always do your job with a full cock. Edited February 23 by nsplayr
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 6:01 PM, BuddhaSixFour said: That’ll be a stellar what did you do last week email. Expand - 237 dicks gazed - 87 gallons of piss collected - 690 man-hours wasted
Sua Sponte Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 5:55 PM, blueingreen said: To be clear, this isn't some brave act of non-compliance. There's no discord between admin officials here. DoD, DoS, and FBI are simply not under OPM purview, and are thus not obligated to respond. Expand Then why did I, a DoD employee, get the email at 1 am today? Then why did Elon's tweet say "federal employees" instead of specifying agencies? It's almost like he thinks he's our CEO and can do what he wants, however, he's learning that's not necessarily the case.
ViperMan Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 4:07 PM, 17D_guy said: Cool story bro. Wife has to recall all her sections today so she can tell them to read the email. Which they can't do from home anymore...so what's the fucking point? Also, she and they are not allowed to charge that time...so fucking up a weekend and working for free. She's a prior aircrew (EWO) vet, and all her people are worried. They aren't active duty and this shit is basically harassment to get folks to quit. This is the exact shit people complain about on the "what's wrong with the Air Force" thread, but because it's someone else being impacted and "your team" you don't give a shit. Expand This, most assuredly, is not what people are complaining about in that thread. That whole discussion is about self-imposed flagellation in one way or another. This is totally different. It's a one-off requirement to finally deal with some of the massive, obvious bloat that has become endemic in our government - which has really become a massive jobs program. On 2/23/2025 at 5:03 PM, nsplayr said: When folks write stuff like the above comments, please just auto-translate it to: ”The ends justify the means.” Expand It's not so much that the ends justify the means. It's more the structure of our government bloat, and the way things don't function properly necessitating the means. I know we don't agree. This is just different perspective. It boils down to a fundamental disagreement we have about finances. You think we can just grow our way out of this. I understand that our position in the world is made ever more fragile as we dilute the reserve currency of the world. It's not pretty, but we've gotten ourselves into a mess where we have no choice but to face down some pretty tough times. It's sad. I wish it wasn't the case. But it's where we are. One way or another, dramatic cuts were coming. On 2/23/2025 at 6:15 PM, nsplayr said: - 237 dicks gazed - 87 gallons of piss collected - 690 man-hours wasted Expand I'd prefer that data be masked... Edit to add: Also, dude, with that ratio of dicks to gallons of piss, there had to be some real horse-penises in there. Edited February 23 by ViperMan
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 6:24 PM, ViperMan said: Edit to add: Also, dude, with that ratio of dicks to gallons of piss, there had to be some real horse-penises in there. Expand Look if you guys aren’t pissing nearly 50oz per piss test, do you even hydrate?? Edited February 23 by nsplayr
BuddhaSixFour Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 6:24 PM, ViperMan said: I'd prefer that data be masked... Expand DOGE demands transparency at all levels… ALL LEVELS. 1
BuddhaSixFour Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 6:48 PM, nsplayr said: Look if you guys aren’t pissing nearly 50oz per piss test, do you even hydrate? Expand Hydrate or die. Sometimes the right strategy is Shock and Awe. Helps dilute the weed. If you don’t have anything to hide, why wouldn’t you leave 10% of your body mass in the cup? Renewable hydro power is part of a liberal agenda. We need to reduce this to a trickle! You go to war with the bladder you have, not necessarily the bladder you want. Edited February 23 by BuddhaSixFour 1
blueingreen Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 6:14 PM, nsplayr said: Cool, I didn’t know that. Why is OPM emailing them then? Follow-ups: if DoD isn’t under OPM are my technicians and T5 folks eligible for the “fork” deferred resignation program? Why were they emailed if not? What if they replied in the affirmative but are not actually eligible? Who do OPM email distros include hundreds of thousands of folks not under their purview? Expand On 2/23/2025 at 6:22 PM, Sua Sponte said: Then why did I, a DoD employee, get the email at 1 am today? Then why did Elon's tweet say "federal employees" instead of specifying agencies? It's almost like he thinks he's our CEO and can do what he wants, however, he's learning that's not necessarily the case. Expand I was just clarifying that the FBI, DoD, and DoS informing their employees that they don't need to respond to the mass email isn't some stalwart act of resistance, it's just them explaining their organizational structure. OPM is primarily responsible for HR systems administration and guidelines in the competitive civil service. Excepted service employees (CIA, USPS, DoD, DoS, etc) have their own systems, but often adhere and/or defer to OPM guidelines on various matters. It's a lot easier to send a mass e-mail to basically every federal employee than it is to comb through every department and agency looking for every exception.
17D_guy Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 7:15 PM, blueingreen said: I was just clarifying that the FBI, DoD, and DoS informing their employees that they don't need to respond to the mass email isn't some stalwart act of resistance, it's just them explaining their organizational structure. OPM is primarily responsible for HR systems administration and guidelines in the competitive civil service. Excepted service employees (CIA, USPS, DoD, DoS, etc) have their own systems, but often adhere and/or defer to OPM guidelines on various matters. It's a lot easier to send a mass e-mail to basically every federal employee than it is to comb through every department and agency looking for every exception. Expand You'd think the geniuses at DOGE could put in a rule to not send to ".mil" but that's too hard apparently. How many more "it's easier to not be the professionals they claim to be" before the masks fall off? How does that work for the DOD civs that took the buyout...is that an exception to what you've stated above.
blueingreen Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 7:26 PM, 17D_guy said: You'd think the geniuses at DOGE could put in a rule to not send to ".mil" but that's too hard apparently. How many more "it's easier to not be the professionals they claim to be" before the masks fall off? How does that work for the DOD civs that took the buyout...is that an exception to what you've stated above. Expand I'm genuinely asking you because I'm still a wannabe fighter pilot going through the rush / application process and you'll have more experience with this: Don't federal civilian employees who fall under OPM purview still use ".mil" email addresses? That's the kind of stuff I was imagining might be annoying to comb through on an agency-by-agency basis. Edited February 23 by blueingreen
disgruntledemployee Posted February 23 Author Posted February 23 OK. Seems like plenty here think this is the best way to date to get rid of useless sacks. So send Elon an email, be sure to CC Big Ballz, and name names. Mr Baggo Schitt, Remover of Spider Webs from Shrubbery, Wing X, Base Y, State Z. Add toxic leaderships too. Post results.
SurelySerious Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 7:15 PM, blueingreen said: I was just clarifying that the FBI, DoD, and DoS informing their employees that they don't need to respond to the mass email isn't some stalwart act of resistance, it's just them explaining their organizational structure. OPM is primarily responsible for HR systems administration and guidelines in the competitive civil service. Excepted service employees (CIA, USPS, DoD, DoS, etc) have their own systems, but often adhere and/or defer to OPM guidelines on various matters. It's a lot easier to send a mass e-mail to basically every federal employee than it is to comb through every department and agency looking for every exception.Sounds like all those phishing cyberattacks I had to identify in cyberawareness for years. If I check my email and find it, now I know how to report it.
HeloDude Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 5:50 PM, 17D_guy said: Been hearing about the debt my entire life with promises from Reagan on down to fix it. During that time the wealth divide increased and middle class families that could afford to have a parent at home have been disappearing. Real wages and purchasing power for normal Americans (not you or I) have gone down. Only a Democratic President balanced the budget and ran a surplus. Trump added more to the deficit before Covid with his cuts. The latest R funding bill adds more to the deficit. But wrap yourself in the "party of fiscal responsibility" while Trump wastes millions golfing more than Obama ever did. Expand Did you voluntarily return your tax cut under Trump to pay to reduce the debt? If you didn’t, then why not?
brabus Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 4:15 PM, Sua Sponte said: Just because Elon claims some bullshit on X, that doesn't make it true. Expand For sure. I don’t believe pretty much anything without evidence, but it is an interesting claim (without proof so far). I’ve also worked on the fed civ side for a bit and supervised civs, so l understand the system. Still have no problem with say, monthly, “what’d you accomplish” reports. I’ve been doing that at two jobs for the last two years. It’s not hard and it’s understandable.
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 10:06 PM, brabus said: For sure. I don’t believe pretty much anything without evidence, but it is an interesting claim (without proof so far). I’ve also worked on the fed civ side for a bit and supervised civs, so l understand the system. Still have no problem with say, monthly, “what’d you accomplish” reports. I’ve been doing that at two jobs for the last two years. It’s not hard and it’s understandable. Expand If you are that person's supervisor, I have zero problem with this. It's called "leadership." If folks are underperforming, you talk to them directly, but you also talk to their supervisor, oftentimes there's a lack of direction and leadership. If we wanna figure out who are the A & B players and RIF some of those below the line, got it. Do that due diligence, give people a chance to shape up via a PIP, and then cut folks who are not meeting the new standards. If you want to reform the civil service with something like Schedule F, Congress is right f*cking there, they will probably pass that if the President wants it! What is happening now is so far from that it's laughable. A random OPM email sent out over the weekend to over 2 million people, some of whom they have no business emailing in the first place, aint' it. Something something centralized command, decentralized execution... Even in a "crisis" as some have claimed we're experiencing, here's a list of 5 things leaders shouldn't do (keeping with Elon's theme): Mock & disparage their people Issue illegal orders Flail around and offer contradictory, fire-from-the-hip guidance Employ a random person from outside the organization to order folks around Fail to coordinate among their subordinate departments / sections so that no one knows what's going on Edited February 23 by nsplayr
brabus Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 5:27 PM, 17D_guy said: So you failed to FWA report them. Nice. Expand It wouldn’t have accomplished anything. The 5th time wouldn’t have accomplished anything. That’s how fucked the “damn near can’t fire fed civ” process is. I feel like not a lot of people realize how ridiculous it is. 2 1
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 This is real, no-shit communication from our Commander in Chief. Would you accept this as "leadership" from one of your flight commanders or shop chiefs? From a SQ/CC? From a WG/CC? They would be fired for this level of childish condensation toward the people they themselves are tasked to lead.
brabus Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 2/23/2025 at 10:09 PM, nsplayr said: give people a chance to shape up via a PIP, and then cut folks who are not meeting the new standards. Expand Agree with everything else you said. Just highlighting this comment wildly simplifies a ridiculous process. It’s so far from being as simple as you just made it sound. I think it should be as easy as you made it sound, but that is far from reality. 1
Guest nsplayr Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 10:13 PM, brabus said: Agree with everything else you said. Just highlighting this comment wildly simplifies a ridiculous process. It’s so far from being as simple as you just made it sound. I think it should be as easy as you made it sound, but that is far from reality. Expand Sure, so have the GOP Congress pass schedule F or other similar reforms and make the process better. Has there been any movement on that at all? Do I trust the current admin to run the process of changing federal civil service protections? Hell no I don't. But I do support some reforms to byzantine way we hire and fire fed civilians, I've seen some of the same stuff you've seen, we all have. The admin is burning any possible bipartisan goodwill by flagratenly demonstrating right now that it's not about merit, it's not about efficiency, it's not about reforming or improving the process - it's about power and "traumatizing federal workers" so they will quit. Which is very dumb if they want to make any durable changes. Edited February 23 by nsplayr
Lord Ratner Posted February 24 Posted February 24 On 2/23/2025 at 5:26 PM, 17D_guy said: So get fucked with your "you don't know what it's like" bullshit paternalism. Expand Might be time to take another break from BO.net. This is obviously a very emotional issue for you based on your wife's job and you aren't going to get anything but frustration hearing the rest of us bloviate about it. Best of luck to you and your wife. 1 1
HeloDude Posted February 24 Posted February 24 On 2/23/2025 at 9:10 PM, Banzai said: Did you refuse to accept your COVID stimulus checks because you oppose government spending? If you didn’t, then why not? Expand I never got a Covid stimulus check…but nice try. 4
tac airlifter Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) On 2/23/2025 at 10:12 PM, nsplayr said: This is real, no-shit communication from our Commander in Chief. Would you accept this as "leadership" from one of your flight commanders or shop chiefs? Expand False comparison. People voted for this bro, just say you hate democracy (joking🙂). Edited to add: I also wouldn't accept a brain dead Alzheimer's patient in command, but don't forget you were pleased with your vote there. Edited February 24 by tac airlifter 1 2 1
HeloDude Posted February 24 Posted February 24 On 2/24/2025 at 3:43 AM, Banzai said: But we do know the answer to what you would have done. Expand Nice try at a save lol. 2
Sua Sponte Posted February 24 Posted February 24 On 2/23/2025 at 10:06 PM, brabus said: For sure. I don’t believe pretty much anything without evidence, but it is an interesting claim (without proof so far). I’ve also worked on the fed civ side for a bit and supervised civs, so l understand the system. Still have no problem with say, monthly, “what’d you accomplish” reports. I’ve been doing that at two jobs for the last two years. It’s not hard and it’s understandable. Expand Yeah, but you probably did Weekly Activity Reports (WAR) for leaders in your CoC. Not for some random dude on a social media site based on a tweet. 1
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